Thom12255 posted:

Does anyone else really enjoy Vic Fontaine's singing on DS9? His screentime gets a lot of criticism but his voice is so smooth.

Hyperriker posted:

Free of the 'No. Watch it for completeness' ball and chain, we can rejoice!

The thing that hit me the most about the JJ movies, moreso Into Darkness because 2009 was just there to set the stage, is how there's just jack gently caress-all in there that's original. Almost every scene, you just look at it and it's lifted and copypasted from something that's already happened. Take that warp chase in the OP, it's just straight from Nemesis. Surgery on a torpedo. Giving your life to get main power back.

The scenes that are original are almost entirely pointless. Khan killing a bunch of Klingons just went on and on and on. Nobody at any point in the flying-through-debris scene thought that either of them weren't gonna get to the other side. KRONOS (why the gently caress not just spell it correctly? What's the point of such a minor deviation?). The Evil Guy Explains His Motives scene was loving awful, could barely keep up with Khan's dialogue.

Also they teased the Klingon threat almost the entire way through the buildup to the film's release and what we got were basically a bunch of Firefly's Reavers flying in a styleless tin bucket and dying immediately at the hands of one guy. What the gently caress, man.

e: as far as Voyager goes, Equinox and also Year of Hell

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Well, I'm sure he wanted to remove all those episodes which painted the Ferengi as not possessing genitals which provide insane amounts of pleasure to human women.

Sanguinia posted:

Sanguinia posted:

Well for one thing, these aren't the typical Klingons who were making the point, they were the political elite, the movers and shakers who recognize that words do matter. Martok and Gowron certainly weren't above things like wordplay and political games.

As far as the rest, like I said, in the end it comes down to the simple fact that "human rights," may not be the same thing as Klingon Rights. Humans have a history of being openly hostile to certain beliefs that Klingons hold as sacred as the right to life or freedom of thought. Saying "We can all agree that everyone should have their basic human rights," is an implicit dismissal of rights that Klingons might insist belong on that list but know that humans won't brook being in the old Federation charter. Like the right to gut your own brother like a fish because he asked you. Worf almost got thrown out of Starfleet and into prison for that one.

kelvron posted:

My father is still with me, but I have great difficulty watching that episode. Unfortunately, the best way I can explain it to people is to invoke "Jurassic Bark". They both tugged on my heartstrings of loss, but for different reasons.

Whalley posted:

Quark is honestly one of the best characters in DS9, a show full of really good characters. Every time someone criticizes him for acting like a Ferengi, it comes across as really kind of racist. Like, you guys are choosing to hang out with the profit-hungry Ferengi, don't roll your eyes at him for saying something about profits. It would be like if all the other characters constantly rolled their eyes at Sisko's African masks, or Kira's religious beliefs. No wonder the Ferengi don't really trust the Federation, they're a constant target of scorn despite outright saying "whoa now we never did some of the barbaric poo poo you hoo-mons have done in your past, drat."

Odo's the only one who could reasonably get away with it, seeing as the first two or three seasons, he responds to anything anyone says with a roll of his eyes and a muttering about "solids." He's already racist.

Mister Kingdom posted:

Remember that ring-shaped Enterprise? Well, you can buy a model of it now.

If you're fast.

And have $1500.

jng2058 posted:

And at the battle in "Sacrifice of Angels"? Where there are like two whole Fleets involved? Why was Sisko in charge then? I don't think the political preferences of a neutral power when DS9 isn't under Federation control should entitle Captain Sisko to command a fleet! That's literally what an admiral's job is...to lead a fleet!

Now obviously from a dramatic standpoint it was to make sure the characters and actors we're following are the ones making the critical decisions. Law of Drama and all that.

But in-universe it shows that Starfleet Admirals can't do their only real job...you need a Captain in charge. For that matter, let's go back to Picard during "Redemption Part II". Starfleet needs a taskforce to eliminate Romulan interference in the Klingon Civil War. Is there an Admiral on-site and in charge? Nope. Senior Captain, in this case Picard, is in charge. Same thing in Nemesis. Picard gets assigned to run the task force to stop the Scimitar, not an Admiral.

The only times you see an Admiral in battle are the guy who gets killed at Wolf 359, and Ross at the Battle of Cardassia at the end of the war, and he ends up deferring to Sisko every time there's a question of what to do.

As far as all the evidence shows, Starfleet Admirals are bureaucrats and paper-pushers, while Captains are the ones with the real authority to get poo poo done.

Bucswabe posted:

My absolute favourite workplace safety hazard in Star Trek was when that first Borg drone beamed into engineering. The first line of defense was sending that rookie yellow shirt security guy to go grab the Borg, and he promptly gets thrown across the room. Is there a right to refuse unsafe work when viable alternatives include lasers and force fields?

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

No, they are. Tasha Yar died a pretty stupid loving death, and her daughter wasn't much smarter.

And Tom Paris, well, he's a convicted murderer and a traitor who signed up with Starfleet to hunt down his former comrades in exchange for nebulous rewards. Blondes are dumb as poo poo.

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

His dad told him to just hit the weight room and do some curls whenever he felt "pent up". After those Orion sex slaves were on board, Travis had the biggest biceps in the galaxy.

Slamhound posted:

Threshold is unfairly maligned as absolute poo poo for it's lizard plot, but those criticisms are objectively wrong and honestly hurtful; Jayneway and Paris turn into amphibians, not lizards.

Otisburg posted:

I feel kind of bummed we didn't get a Mirror TNG episode. Would mirror Riker just have bitchin' mutron chops?

Vagabundo posted:

Also, if hew-mon sports get exported to other species, the Vulcans will really take to cricket, the Klingons will love rugby union and the Nausicans will probably enjoy rugby league.

Farecoal posted:

If only all Star Trek fistfights could have been as well choreographed and intense as the one in A Matter of Honor. Could you guys imagine every DS9 fight scene being that good?

Otisburg posted:

Didn't Enterprise set up like to make a big deal out of the first photon torpedo fired in anger literally bouncing off the enemy shields and exploding like a wet fart? I seem to remember that being a cute bit.

Azurrat posted:

Obviously the only logical way to construct a ship of that size would be to have several redundant systems, with the most vital components stored in the center of the ship itself. To facilitate this, perhaps some sort of cubic or spherical shape would work best, as it would give equal amount of protection from all possible angles of attack.

Pleasing aesthetics are irrelevant.

Shibawanko posted:

I tried to watch Voyager a few months ago but couldn't. I think the biggest problem is actually the lack of sex - in the abstract, the utter absence of a libidinal economy, of desire and complexes and whatnot. They threw in Seven of Nine because they somehow felt that there was a need for sexuality in that show, but didn't want to actually create relationships between characters, so instead they just cast someone who looked sexy rather than acted that way. Such a boorishly phallic, pointless show. It's really weird to think that something like that was able to get prime time slots and whatnot, but I'm sure that's been discussed a hundred times. The only interesting episode was that time warp planet.

DS9 was all about fuckin'. Most characters have a visible struggle with how they relate to the world.

In Enterprise the sex was there but didn't feel genuine. There was no logical reason for T'Pol and Tucker to do it other than the massages, but there was no believable reason for them to desire each other.

Bicyclops posted:

To be honest, a lot of it is probably that when they do give Gates McFadden something to work with, she doesn't exactly have the acting chops to carry it, although I guess I have a similar problem with Frakes. At least once they let Marina Sirtis stop trying to talk in her made-up accent, she could kind of hold her own.

Sash! posted:

Space-Dog is the wallpaper on my work computer. I have two monitors, so double Space-Dog action going on.

Oh, and we had some sort of safety fair and we could take a picture of a loved one in and they'd laminate it, so that we could put it on our lanyard with some sort of "I Work Safely Because of:" message.

Yeah. Spock and Space-Dog is on mine.

Writer Cath posted:

Seska was the dumbest Cardassian in the world. Most of them are shown to be brilliant and conniving and she chose to hitch her wagon to the Kazon. Her mental spoon was too small. No wonder she was given that assignment.