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Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

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A potato masher is easier to throw if you didn't grow up playing baseball, so the Americans favoured more baseball-shaped grenades.

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Trin Tragula posted:

100 Years Ago

Yesterday: The artillery barrage begins for that long-awaited offensive on the Western Front. (Incidentally, it was so big that it was the first offensive to be referred to widely in the BEF as "The Big Push". There'll be a couple more of those.) Louis Barthas spends the day travelling and is too tired to complain; Kenneth Best spends the day making GBS threads blood and still manages to conduct two funerals. In the Ypres salient, men due to launch a diversionary attack get some words from Lord Kitchener, but an extremely worrying noticeboard has appeared on the Germans' barbed wire.

So what's the answer that would be a long time coming for the British? I'm curious now about that German Intelligence, if it takes months to figure out then I'll probably forget the significance.

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HEY GAL posted:

i thought stalin stayed sober while everyone else at the usual russian-style boozeups was getting drunk, which is kind of terrifying if you think about it

I thought he became blackout drunk after a couple significant events, like June 22, 1941 and August 6, 1945.

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Japan's horrible damage control has come up before, but why were they so bad at it?

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HEY GAL posted:

are regimental guns still a thing in the 19th c

edit: also lots of guns are smaller than people think--sakers, falconets, etc. i used to drink at a bar in vienna that had been hit during the 83 siege and the ball was still in the wall, it was about the size of a small grapefruit or a big orange

I have a 16-pound shotput, it's a bit larger than a softball, and it's much heavier than people expect. People are just not used to the density of a solid steel sphere.

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Hazzard posted:

I think so. AFAIK British artillery is fairly poorly organised for most of the early 19th century.


This was small enough I couldn't fit my fist down the barrel. At that point I don't expect it to be all that effective. I have no idea on the age of the piece itself, but I don't think it can be that old (by 1815) if it looks like a 18th-19th century musket and uses a flintlock mechanism.

Again, density. A piece of steel smaller than my fist, at high speeds, could blow through multiple people.

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Cyrano4747 posted:

well, yes, obviously many of us have. poo poo two months ago I did six ACW battlefields in two days. Los of cannon were seen.

However, I stand by the fact that your average person probably has more exposure to cannon and cannon ball sizes from Pirates of the Caribbean than 150 year old relics.

Plus, I bet museums prefer showing off big cannons over small ones. At Louisbourg all the cannons they have are 24-pounders.

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What year is this from? I'm guessing 1916, because that sketch does resemble armour that a few troops wore at the time. I wonder if the cartoonist knew about tanks at the time he drew it.

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Wasn't there a fight shortly after the surrender of Japan where an American ship fired on a renegade Japanese vessel with a bazooka, then boarded it? I remember this but I can't find an account through Google.

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They could last decades just using different names for the puma. Panzer, Berglöwe, Kuguar, Rottiger, Hirschetiger, Silberlöwe, Katzeberg, Maler...

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Xiahou Dun posted:

Panzer is "shell", like on a turtle.

Panther is, with much originality, "panther".

Edit : VVV O yeah totally. I was giving the best one word translation I could. The relevant translation to tanks is "armor", but the actual word "armor" is different yada yada blada you can't expect one word translations to be perfect.

Huh. All this time I assumed "panzer" had come to mean "armour" because the Germans named an early tank after the panther.

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FAUXTON posted:

Bajazzle your Battleship, your foes won't know what the gently caress.



In a world where face-identifying drones dominate the battlefield, human dazzle camouflage is the only recourse. Attempts to counter this strategy lead to the tragic deaths of every mime, and David Bowie.

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Jobbo_Fett posted:

The deception/ruse tactics they used during the war... holy poo poo :gonk:

Are you going to make a post about this too, or no? I've heard a little about the reports of fake surrender, suicide bombing, and the infamous photograph.

:nms: severed head :nms:



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“We came to a big opening on the beach,” Morse says, “and there was a tank with a skull on it, right near the turret. The sergeant leading the patrol looks at it and says, ‘Guys, that skull has been put there for a reason, and the Japanese have probably got mortar shells aimed right at this spot.’ A disgusting scene like that will always draw people in, and the idea, of course, was that any American troops who came along would obviously want to stop and take a look.

“‘Everybody stay away from there,’ the sergeant says, then he turns to me. ‘You,’ he says, ‘go take your picture if you have to, then get out, quick.’ So I went over, got my pictures and ran like hell back to where the patrol had stopped.”

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HEY GAL posted:

about an inch and a half or smaller, they've got to be thin otherwise they're too heavy to do anything with

How heavy is the head? Does the wood bend, and is the pike made with a spine so it can be oriented to reduce bending?

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Raenir Salazar posted:

The main problem I have is that a movie like this might exacerbate the "human wave" myth of the Red Army and there's gotta be a better compromise.

I don't see how it would exacerbate that myth. Showing actual tactics from the Soviets would be much better than a movie like Enemy At The Gates, where the only depiction of a battle is hundreds of Red Army soldiers frontally attacking a machine gun with no tanks or artillery supporting them.

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EvanSchenck posted:

It happens that I wrote my undergrad thesis about the German Revolutions of 1848

Brilliant post, thank you. What events caused the revolutions to begin in that particular year?

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I was looking at some old material from my grade 3 Canadian History curriculum and noticed it said that white settlers overhunted buffalo because they "didn't understand how important it was to the First Nations' way of life". Looking back, it seems pretty hosed up to teach a bunch of 8-year-olds about the history of Native American peoples without explaining, in an age-appropriate way, that much of their decline was due to genocide.

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FAUXTON posted:

E: I wonder if Dr. Seuss ever got into that kind of thing. I'm aware of the general fact that he did some stuff for the war effort at the time but I don't know whether he was asked to make something involving a dolorous lorax warning some green helmet that unless someone like him cares an awful lot about barrel snakes, the war won't be won, it won't.

Dr. Seuss wrote dozens of training cartoons for the army, and yes, they rhyme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJV5wwK12NI

The above, Spies, is my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1M0G12Fc4U

This one, Going Home, was never released because it depicted (at 1:32) a "secret weapon" that coincidentally seemed similar to the atomic bomb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKYtiQ5WMSY

Gas was written by P.D. Eastman and it's not entertaining. I'm just posting it for the Bugs Bunny cameo at 0:54.

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Merry Christmas, military history thread, I received Shigeru Mizuki's Hitler.

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My maternal grandfather lied about his age to enlist after Pearl Harbor, and briefly served in the US Navy. When they found out he was 15, he was sent to work in a shipyard and spent the rest of the war there. He didn't tell stories because I think he felt guilty that he didn't fight on the ship.

My stepdad's father was a bomber pilot who firebombed Hamburg. For the rest of his life he couldn't eat mutton because the smell reminded him of burning human flesh.

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FAUXTON posted:

The pickelhaube, because it makes me think someone in the Kaiser's military bureau decided infantry should charge like bulls

Has anyone ever been stabbed with a pickelhaube?

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chitoryu12 posted:

He's got nothing on US Civil War General William "Bull" Nelson.




Supposedly his last words were "Send for a clergyman; I wish to be baptized. I have been basely murdered."

Did people really talk like that in the 19th century, even when they'd been shot, or was it typical for witnesses to one's last words to edit them into something more flowery?

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FAUXTON posted:

To follow up on this, would there be more force behind the arrowhead at the end of a high-angle ballistic arc versus low-angle fire? Or were aerodynamics and bows advanced to the point where they were firing the arrows above terminal velocity (and thus faster than they could ever get via gravity)?

That's just physics - it's impossible to shoot something upwards so that it's moving faster when it comes back down (unless you shoot downhill).

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PittTheElder posted:

Well, she was already in the convent...

Presumably they'd notice if there were two missing nuns, but just one charred dead body.

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HEY GAL posted:

(although the title is misleading, Blackwater was tiny at its height, for really big news you want to look at Securitas, the company with three red dots as its logo. Those dudes are the largest single employer in the world)

You mean largest security firm, right? The largest single employers in the world are the US Department of Defense and the People's Liberation Army.

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According to the list I read, they're smaller than Wal-Mart and McDonald's.

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oohhboy posted:

How important is it to take a country's Capital? Would have France fallen if they lost or had fighting in Paris for even a day in World War 1. What impact did it have in World War 2? Is taking a Capital today meaningful or was it a lot more important in the past where you might no have been able to move your government since everything might have been tied more strongly to it?

There's no consensus on this, but there's an understanding that it depends on the war. Clausewitz (one of the most influential military historians ever) wrote that a military has a "centre of gravity" that is the source of its power. Sometimes this is the capital or government. In World War II, these were Hitler and Hirohito. In an insurgency, it's the support of the people. This is harder for a superpower to capture than a tangible objective would be. Part of why the Iraq War went so badly was that the US thought capturing Baghdad and routing Saddam Hussein would be enough to win the war, when it turned out that many Iraqis would become insurgents against the American occupation.

A Great Power like France needs to protect its capital because the seat of government is such a powerful symbol that losing it greatly impairs the government's authority to keep fighting the war. Germany's objective in World War I was to increase its power relative to France, Britain, and Russia. If they had captured Paris, that's a point where the French would seriously consider negotiated surrender. In World War II, France surrendered because of the prospect of Paris becoming the site of heavy fighting. But the French Resistance continued to fight because they still had the will. Italy ousted Mussolini and started negotiating to join the Allies, and signed the deal as 500 planes were on their way to bomb Rome. The capture of Berlin directly led to Hitler's death and the Nazi surrender. Hirohito surrendered because of multiple factors, including intelligence reports that the Allies intended to drop an atomic bomb on Tokyo soon. The capitals mattered in World War II because if they weren't the centre of gravity, they at least hosted it.

Wars of annexation are rarer now, and so are existential wars between nation-states. Since 1945 there have been more wars fought over ideology, or coercing a state to do certain things. These wars usually involve a powerful state intervening in a weaker one, and that often leads to asymmetrical warfare, which means insurgency and counter-insurgency, and capitals are less meaningful then. If a war broke out between two superpowers, destroying the capitals would be important because they are command centres for nuclear weapons, and the United States and Russia each have hardened backup facilities designed to withstand direct hits from nuclear weapons. In the event of nuclear war, hitting the capital and hitting those facilities would each be important for destroying the ability to coordinate, because destroying the enemy's ability to counter-attack is the only way to have a minute chance of winning a nuclear war.

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The character's real name turns out to be Franek Dolas. I just found out that the actor playing him died two weeks ago.

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The ballistics gel seems to explode when it recompresses, is that because of adiabatic heating? And then it expels some gas out of the entry hole, is that hot powderized ballistics gel?

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Deteriorata posted:

Beats me. It's not something I spend a lot of time keeping current on, it's just something I read a while back.

It's a better explanation than Atlanteans in Bolivia capturing them with submarines, anyway.

The Bermuda Triangle is one of the most trafficked parts of the ocean. Ships sink and planes crash at an average rate there, it's just that there are so many of them that it results in a lot of losses.


Should that be June?

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HEY GAL posted:

yes except for the part where some of them agree with us already and are therefore not backwards

There's a fun bit where a character talks about how the Americans are just another city-state republic but for some reason they think their form of government is the best and that no one's ever tried it before.

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spectralent posted:

I have no idea! :v:

As I said, it was a Thing I Heard. Were there ever rockets that used some other kind of propellant?

When you understand the principle of propellant + fuel, you can make rocket fuel of varying quality from thousands of compounds. Gunpowder was invented without understanding why it works, it was basically luck, systematic invention and testing of explosives wouldn't be developed until the 19th century.

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Nebakenezzer posted:


This is a photo taken of a height climber's forward gondola. Note the two ladders. The walk from the forward gondola to the bathroom was 700 feet, and at the start and the end of that you have to climb (or descend) a ladder. Now imagine climbing the really scary ladder, at night, really close to the whirling 18 ft propeller, while suffering from altitude sickness. As you would at 20,000 ft.

In that situation I'd just piss out the window.

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Ainsley McTree posted:

Same but unironically (or, also unironically, depending on how ironic you were being)

Just exactly how drunk was everybody at all times in the past, and how high up the social ladder did the everdrunk climb? Were heads of state drunk all the time too?

I feel like people had to have been fairly loaded, on account of alcohol being safer to drink than water at many times in many places, but that's not a scholarly position of mine or anything.

History has preserved George Washington's bar tab from a party a few days before framing the Constitution.

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55 attendees drank 54 bottles of Madeira, 60 bottles of claret, eight of whiskey, 22 of porter, eight of hard cider, 12 of beer, and seven bowls of alcoholic punch.

I calculated the amount of alcohol in all that, and it's almost precisely equal to one 750mL bottle of Jack Daniel's per person.

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HEY GAL, what words were used to describe the men thought to be invincible to normal weapons? I've seen you mention "Frozen" and "Hard", was there much other vocabulary around this concept?

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HEY GAL posted:

just those, iirc. why?

Because that poo poo's dope. I'm thinking about putting together an early modern modpack for Skyrim, and if I mod in some bulletproof generals it could make for some interesting assassination missions.

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