Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Edge & Christian posted:

This isn't even getting into "nudge nudge you see it is an ANALOGUE" stories like Invincible, Squadron Supreme, regular Supreme, Planetary, Irredeemable, Incorruptible, End League, anything Mark Millar has ever written, etc.
Or Watchmen, for that matter. It's kinda like the subsequent styles were taking lessons from it in two different (the grim gory grittiness of the 90s and the introspection and self-referentiality of the 00s), but that might be overstating its influence.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Superman doesn't have super-kerning I guess.

CapnAndy posted:

Batman is a fiercely singular identity; only one man can wear the mantle -- I think it's super telling that of all Bruce's sidekicks over the years, the girls are allowed to use Bat-iconography but the boys have to find something completely different. If there's no chance you can be Batman, whatever, he doesn't care, but he's fiercely protective of his turf. (Batwing's an exception, but again, a single glance is enough to tell you that that's not the Batman.)
I don't know about that; Incorporated has him literally turn his identity into a franchise.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Potsticker posted:

What even is a cryptofascist?

Someone who likes or is fascist but doesn't want to admit it. The same for other "crypto-X" things.

Darkseid isn't because he's open about who he is and isn't fascist except under a pointlessly broad definition.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Thinking about it now I might have overstated; Darkseid as he was originally conceived borrowed from fascism, but he's been taken in a bunch of different directions and I think the modern version has lost most of the specific politics. As a heroic example, you can argue that Superman was born from the idea of socialist Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, but the character is only very loosely tied to that nowadays.

E: The Empire in Star Wars is a pretty good example of fascism in fiction.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Oct 18, 2014

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Potsticker posted:

Is the "they don't want to admit it" thing important? I figured it was just hiding a fascist message or theme.

Sometimes? Crypto-religions are where you're hiding the fact you believe in something because you fear persecution.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
It can work if you're trying to slow Hulk down or contain him, but it suffers the same problem as anybody else going up against him.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Ror posted:

It seems like the ideal use of it would be like how Batman uses the suit against Superman in TDKR
Get off one good punch and then die convincingly?

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Oct 23, 2014

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Teenage Fansub posted:

Greg Rucka's Batwoman: Elegy.

Similarly, Half a Life in Gotham Central (also by Rucka).

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
What's the origin of the "Superman beating up Bizarro while crying" thing?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Avengers Annual 10 is the followup and can be summarised as Claremont going "What the gently caress guys?".

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Comics has a long thing of making pregnancy a horrifying event that brings doom or tragedy upon all involved. It hasn't gone away by any measure: look up Peter David's X-Factor comics for some much more recent examples. :(

It's it presented as a positive thing in Avengers 200 though (thus making it much worse, given the circumstances)?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Avengers, by the better part of a decade (although apparently that script had been floating around for a few years).

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Lurdiak posted:

Sin City but more racist, with more embarrassing pop culture references, one of the characters is a 12 year old with a katana and the ending is Marv loving you in the rear end.
And with insanely incoherent politics.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

FilthyImp posted:

Life of Reilly is so long that I might as well just read the drat clone saga. It's like "well here in issue 228, page seven, the border was decided to be in double bold because you see Ben was...."

Yeah, I tried reading Life of Reilly but it was far too detailed for what I wanted.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Skwirl posted:

I'm surprised anyone has an opinion on Tekken characters beyond "Wait, there's a panda?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7DeHyXCM0

The man in the bowtie is his adoptive father (and one of the main baddies of the series).

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Travis343 posted:

I don't think Poison Ivy is all that smart. Smart enough to get a PhD definitely, but that doesn't count for a lot in comic books. Depending on the canon she wasn't a particularly gifted botanist, and most of the incredible plant hybrids she's able to grow and care for aren't a result of her brilliant mind but her weird non-specific plant control powers.
The stuff she invents in Zero Year ends up being super-weapon grade plant stuff, and it's before she became Poison Ivy proper.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
She's mentioned in the main books; the Riddler steals some of her work to set up his Savage Gotham plan.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Ultragonk posted:

I've been quite Marvelcentric what do people like in the way of big DC storylines? There's probably going to be a lot of Batman in there.

52 is probably the best big storyline DC has done.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

WickedHate posted:

What's the worst story/run with the most sincerity behind it? It seems like a lot of terrible comics are from not caring, editorial mismanagement, etc, but I'm curious about cases where someone gave it their all and hosed up in a massive way.

Marville, DKSA. Along with a few of the others mentioned (like most of Kevin Smith's work) they're a result of a deliberate lack of editorial oversight because the creator has a lot of pull.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
"What's the dumbest poo poo we can publish?" is a plausible alternate explanation, I admit.

E: As is cocaine.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Feb 3, 2016

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Daredevil always seemed like he had a fantastic ratio of good runs : crap runs.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

CharlestheHammer posted:

Killing is by definition grim and gritty. Having it any other way is weird.

It's not though. Luke blowing up the Death Star isn't gritty, it's epic and heroic. Deadpool shooting a bunch of guys while quipping isn't grim, it's funny.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

CharlestheHammer posted:

No Deadpool in general is grim. Though yeah indirect killing is weird. One on one is more personal and grim.

I was thinking of the movie, but it's not really important. You can definitely have up-close-and-personal killing be played for fun; think Indiana Jones killing 3 nazis with one bullet, or James Bond killing someone with an exploding gas pill that made them inflate like a balloon.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Die Laughing posted:

Joking aside, what is everyone's favorite comic book weapon/item/artifact? Cap's shield? Thor's hammer? The cosmic cube? Doom's time travel platform? The Infinity Gauntlet is a pretty obvious choice, but I'm also a big fan of the Mother Box.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

RareAcumen posted:

I lost track of Batman about when Barbara Gordon was Batgirl/woman? I'm not even sure. I know about the Robins that turned into Red Robin [I think], Red Hood and Nightwing and the Flashpoint thing where Bruce's dad became Batman and his mom was Joker instead and that's about it. Can anyone fill me in on the rest of the family and anything really notable about them/ accomplishments? I don't really know anything about any of the other Robins to differentiate them from each other for example.

Damien Damian Wayne is the current Robin. He's the son of Bruce Wayne and Talia al Ghul, and was introduced in (and a major part of) Morrison's Batman run. He died a few years ago, and was resurrected recently. He's several years younger than the other Robins were, and is more of a child than a teenager. He spent a lot of his life with his mum and her family's crazy assassin cult, and really needs to lighten up a bit.

He also pops up in various (alt) futures as Batman.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
I think he didn't have an obvious niche (which pretty much all of the other Robins have), and without a writer who loves the character he's been bouncing around.

In my version of the DC Universe he'd have stayed as Robin to the globe-trotting Bruce Wayne Batman while Damian and Dick were the B&R of Gotham, but that's years dead.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Batman was addicted to Venom once.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
How does the DC One Million trade compared to the omnibus? I'd like to read the event but I'm not a huge fan of the massive size / cost of the latter format.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Heavy Sigh posted:

I just stumbled across this comic page, and I really want to know where it is from.



Two things that got callbacks in Multiversity. I guess it's not surprising.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Gaz-L posted:

I'm honestly unsure if you're joking, but it was. Like it's one of the more well-known Justice League stories, by Mark Waid.

The idea also got used at the start of Snyder's Endgame, and in the Brave and the Bold episode that happened to be on TV while I was writing this.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Travis343 posted:

That was terrible, though

Yeah, it wasn't great. Point being it's an idea that's popped up a lot of times, especially since Tower of Babel.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

SonicRulez posted:

Who are the successful and/or good characters created in the 2000's?

Depends if you mean "2000s ending in 2009/2010" (which would knock out Miles Morales and Ms Marvel (E: Kamala Khan), amongst others), or if you mean since 2000.

I'd add Jessica Jones to the above list either way.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jun 15, 2016

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Rhyno posted:

Everything will look dated eventually, just roll with it.

It's not dated, it's an unintended period piece.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Madkal posted:

In regards to price, I am wondering if any international goons have ever noticed a difference in price between DC and Marvel in foreign countries? Reason I bring it up was when I was living in SA DC comics were always cheaper than Marvel comics which is what made me read more DC than Marvel growing up. I know now Marvel is $4 and DC is $3 which is again driving me away from trying more Marvel comics because I just can't budget it with the current titles I am reading.

I haven't noticed any significant difference here (Sydney), but I don't really buy enough to make a price difference a significant factor in choosing what I read.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Selachian posted:

walking around their house without pants on. As you do.
You don't?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

muscles like this? posted:

It's completely hosed up that Jason Todd came back.

Agreed.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Can someone post the Civil War panels with Wanted text?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Unmature posted:

Thank you for reminding me that that was Chris Pratt

His best comic book movie role.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
I don't know if he does hate superheroes though, or at least if he does hate them it hasn't always been the case.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
It's pretty funny to see people blame the ending of the Kingsman movie on Millar.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply