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Dec 10, 2011

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Shakespearean Beef posted:

Don't forget to bring some nappies back for yourself you big crybaby

Just post that Tom Hanks pic and get another ban, already.

Meanwhile, here's a pic that actually is amusing:

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a pipe smoking dog posted:

God wrote it. (It's paraphrasing the bit in Exodus where God forms the covenant with Moses to return the Holy Land to the Hebrews)

e: ^^That makes sense^^

It's the same difference, when you're talking about General China.

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TinTower posted:

You clearly haven't been watching Love for Sale.

I've heard of mail order brides, but that's ridiculous.

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LemonDrizzle posted:

The Mail actually has a pretty good article on the GP appointment fees vote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2621886/GPs-vote-charging-patients-10-25-appointment.html


There's also the obligatory NHS-bashing quote from a Taxpayers' Alliance spokesthing in the full article.

The thing about missed appointments is spot on. My mother had to wait almost two weeks for a non-emergency appointment, but she told me that when she went along this morning the receptionist said she was the only person to have shown up. The most likely cause for this is that people are having to wait so long for an appointment that they get better, so they don't go. This then has a knock on effect because them not cancelling their appointment means everyone else has to wait longer too.

I don't favour charging people for appointments, but if someone came out with a plan to charge people for appointments they missed and failed to cancel I'd support that. (Of course it'd go to Atos or Serco and people would be fined for not showing up due to dying, but we can hope.)

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Dec 10, 2011

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Great Political Trolls of the 21st Century
Number 17 in a series of 200

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Dec 10, 2011

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JFairfax posted:

also why the gently caress are Procul Harum kidnapping girls in nigeria?

Presumably they're a whiter shade of pale.

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Dec 10, 2011

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"I'm not racist. I love multicultural London, even though it has downsides like knife crime and sex rings."

- a Ukip supporter

:negative:

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SybilVimes posted:


Pictured, typical immigrant.

They never caught Saucy Jack, so how do you know he wasn't an immigrant?

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SybilVimes posted:

Well, there was one polish jewish immigrant suspect (oh god, they'd love that) but I think the general belief was that he was one of our natives due to knowledge of london, his english in the letters, and the presumed link to medicine

So Jack the Ripper was an Indian doctor working a second job as a taxi driver?

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Dec 10, 2011

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big scary monsters posted:

If you don't vote for the winning party/candidate in FPTP you are throwing your vote away. Vote for whoever you feel best represents you or if none of them do spoil your ballot.

I'm sick of people saying "spoil your ballot". It's like saying if you hate McDonald's food you should go into the restaurant and poo poo on the floor. It doesn't make them change the menu, it doesn't cost them money, and the only people you're making it unpleasant for are the lowest level of staff. You could achieve exactly the same effect by staying out of the loving restaurant. So don't be a childish rear end in a top hat.

Even if you achieve nothing else by voting you're doing three things:

1) If you vote for a minority party, they get closer to recovering their deposit. Recovering their deposit means they're more likely to be able to stand again next time.

2) You are increasing the threshold of votes required for a party to recover their deposit. This makes it more likely that parties like UKIP and the BNP will lose their deposits - see 1.

3) You're reducing the majority of the winner. MPs are less likely to ignore their constituents if their seat appears unsafe.

The effect of a single vote is small, but it all adds up.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Bobstar posted:

This is fine if you have a non-terrible minority party where you are, but what do you suggest when the ballet paper reads Labour - Tories - LibDems - UKIP - UKIP Lite - 111!!!Totally Not UKIP?

Just because you can't do one, doesn't mean you can't do the others. Unless you know you're in a three way marginal, vote for the Big Three party least likely to win.

I must repeat for the benefit of Gorn and similar idiots: the candidates don't see that cock and balls you drew, senior count officials don't see it either. Nobody sees it except the count team, most of whom are low paid council workers trying to make a bit of extra cash. Literally all you are doing is shoving obscene images in the faces of the people who least deserve it and whose side you claim to be on. Grow the gently caress up, all of you.

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SybilVimes posted:

Goodbye childhood...



The trial has barely started, and already he sounds like history's true monster


(plus, he named his daughter Bindi? isn't that cultural appropriation ?)

*zzziiiippp*

"Can you guess what it is yet?"

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Dec 10, 2011

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twoot posted:

Here is another dubious bar-graph, this time UKIP from a few weeks ago;



That one's not too bad, actually. The Lib Dems aren't to scale, but everyone else is roughly in proportion.

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Dec 10, 2011

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General China posted:

No, its a last resort of an independence movement to gain political status for its prisoners. To gain the maximum effect you delay each prisoner starting to go on hunger strike so they die one at a time for maximum effect.

Then the uk government gives no fucks.

And ten people die.

edit- I think this is is great- the Iranians rename a street called Winston Churchill Road to Bobby Sands Road.

Bobby Sands and his hunger strike buddies were sectarian thugs who starved themselves to death because the UK government did not consider murderers of women and children to be soldiers. They are not to be lionised.

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frontlineKHAAAN! posted:

Unless they happen to be soldiers in the British Army, in which case at absolute worst they will be called "a few bad apples".

Which, given that most British soldiers stationed in Ireland didn't commit any atrocities, they were. So take your straw man and gently caress off.

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Spangly A posted:

Haha nope, that one remains the fault of the British government, and always will be.

Who mentioned fault? The straw man is the argument that because some soldiers committed crimes, the IRA can be considered soldiers because they committed crimes too. Just because someone wasn't punished as much as they should have been doesn't mean that someone who is being justly punished should be punished less.

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Spangly A posted:

Fair trial was the one I was thinking of, flappy. The right to a fair trial.

Except the hunger strikers weren't campaigning for a fair trial. They were campaigning to be treated as political prisoners.

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StoneOfShame posted:

If you want to treat them like criminals then treat them like criminals the whole way by charging them for crimes instead of just holding them under internment and then giving them a trial. The IRA were treated as enemy combatants in a war with things like shoot to kill and internment until the point they were held at which point they were treated like prisoners. This discrepancy was the problem and what the hunger strikes were about.

This is in no way supporting the provos either, the way the provos were terrible with what they did in regard to murdering civilians and in how they treated the people in the communities they were supposedly defending. However the loyalist groups, the RUC and the army were just as bad.

Jury trials for terrorism-related offences were suspended after both Protestant and Catholic groups began issuing death threats to jurors, so they made their own bed there. And they were charged with crimes; Sands was convicted for possession of a handgun, which was all they could pin on him despite him being caught fleeing a gun battle with the RUC.

You don't need to tell me how hosed up the whole mess is, because my family have been hit by both sides. One of my grandmothers had a cousin murdered by the IRA during World War II; the other was a Catholic who fled Ireland in the 1930s in fear of sectarian violence and spent seventy years too scared to go home. So yeah, I do get pissed off when clueless idiots like General China start talking about how wonderful it is that someone has invoked Saint Bobby Sands, Glorious Hero of the Revolution, in order to "stick it to the Man".

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Dec 10, 2011

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Remember all those Bulgarians and Romanians who were coming to take our jobs? The ONS have released figures for the numbers of such working in the UK - 140,000, an increase of less than 30000 in the last year and a fall of 4000 since visa controls were lifted.

Eight days out and UKIP have been made to look like loving idiots. And the sun is shining too.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Darth Walrus posted:

Ooh, source, please? I could use this.

BBC news, top story right now. The ONS website should have specifics.

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Rigged Death Trap posted:

My cynicism tells me that they'll use more money to patch it up.
They're wholly dedicated to this unsustainable housing bubble, and if you're in for a penny, you're in for the hundreds of millions of pounds.

Especially when it's someone else's hundreds of millions supporting your penny.

They don't have to support it for long if they know it's peak finance, though, just long enough for them to divest their assets. The people who make the most money from financial crashes are always the last ones to get out.

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Spooky Hyena posted:

Would there be many potential UKIP supporters who would believe what that leaflet (from someone they don't know anything about) claims, let alone care? Most of them seem to be either Farage worshippers, Randians or racists using the party as a smokescreen to cover up how racist they are, and neither will be swayed by knowing about how racist and selfish UKIP is (if they don't know already). I'm sorry if I'm seeming like I'm trashing your idea, more awareness is always good, but I just don't think it'd achieve much.

Let's just quote the start:

quote:

- There are legitimate concerns about the impact of immigration on the country, but the immigrants themselves and the process by which they gain entrance to the country are not the problem.

- Strains on infrastructure, housing, the job market and the NHS could be alleviated by using the taxes these immigrants pay to relieve the strain. Immigration brings a massive bonus to the UK economy (immigrants on average contribute 34% more in taxes than goes to them, a figure of roughly £25bn), and the reason that the average person doesn’t see this bonus in their everyday life is because it is pocketed by large companies and the government.

- We are one of the richest countries in the world, and we have a very highly skilled and educated workforce – so why are some of us still in poverty, and why are there not enough jobs to go round? There is more than enough wealth in the country to provide full employment and lift people out of poverty, including anyone who wants to move to the UK, work, and raise a family.

- UKIP, on the other hand, are not interested in what is best for the average person – they view the issue in black and white. They see the problems immigration causes, and they take the easy way out – they blame the immigrants and the people who let them immigrate.

To summarise: UKIP's concerns about the number of immigrants are valid. UKIP's concerns about health care tourism and immigrants occupying houses and jobs needed for British people are valid. UKIP's concerns about over-large government are valid. But it's not the fault of immigrants because

You are not going to convince anyone not to vote UKIP by putting a letter through their door which starts by saying the swivel-eyed loons are right and not providing any counter-argument. Do not post this flyer.

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QuantumCrayons posted:

They support nationalisation of public services, (generally) support a living wage (see above), universality of healthcare at the point of service and further education open to all for free. That's pretty left-wing.

The SNP support anything that will give them a vote in September.

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QuantumCrayons posted:

Who cares why they support it? The important thing is they do support and it and they do follow through on it.

Except they don't and they won't. As I said in the Independence thread, the SNP took action against the Bedroom Tax in the councils they controlled while firmly opposing it in those they didn't. They only took action on the national level when forced to do so by various councils requesting the same treatment as was being given to SNP supporters.

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Dec 10, 2011

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DesperateDan posted:

"customer beat me savagely with a crutch, clearly demonstrating an ability to work and a go-to attitude"

"I recommend a placement with the police."

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Dec 10, 2011

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McDragon posted:

Ha, the Daily Mail has discovered that Cards Against Humanity game.

They're revealing trade secrets of how they compile their articles? That's surprising.

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Zephro posted:

Remember all that "Farage's career is over" stuff?

Yeah

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/20/labour-tory-poll-ratings-farage-attacks

The punditry are 0-2 in calling the death of his career now and I eagerly await their hat-trick.

You want the media to be wrong about Farage's career ending?

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Crane Fist posted:

Imagine the headlines if a hindu assassinates him

Everyone would go dhoti.

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KKKlean Energy posted:

Maybe Labour should have supported Single Transferable Vote if they wanted to pull that kinda poo poo :colbert:

Also I'd love to see some sources for that because that is :catstare:

The ruling in such cases is that intent must be clear and unambiguous. Since it's not generally clear which party will be starting the worldwide socialist revolution, they all get binned (and the count staff roll their eyes at the childish person).

On the same topic: don't put a swastika anywhere in the section belonging to a racist party. However funny you think you're being, it will be counted as a vote. This will invalidate your paper if you voted for someone else, and it will stand if you didn't.

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Spangly A posted:

EU is PR, so spoiled ballots are a vote for UKIP *and* the Tories at the same time. Congrats on not diminishing this.

While simultaneously doing the written equivalent of screaming obscenities in the face of someone who is giving up their evening or weekend because they need an extra £50 in their pay packet, no less. There really isn't a better way to say "gently caress you, poors" in an election.

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LemonDrizzle posted:

Results won't be released until Sunday.

The votes won't even be counted until Sunday, so it's not like we're holding back results until everyone else is done.

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TheHoodedClaw posted:

Pencils just work. There's very little chance of fraud from polling booth to final count, it's a secure, highly scrutinised process.

Anybody who thinks that their ballot could be altered at any time between it leaving their hand and it being handed to the count team is suggesting a ridiculously ornate conspiracy involving several different branches of the government and requiring dozens of man hours to forge even a single box. It would be an order of magnitude easier to create a duplicate box with the same number of ballots in it.

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Pork Pie Hat posted:

Yes, their control of a mighty no councils marks them out as a true political heavyweight.

How many of the 16 NOCs are Ukip/X, though?

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Dec 10, 2011

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tdrules posted:

Ed Miliband: I'll win back UKIP voters before election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27533330

Ed Miliband: Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Myrddin_Emrys posted:

I humbly apologise for not getting clarification on such an audacious claim. I shall double my efforts to make sure my posting suits your requirements with proper authenticated source material.

By which you mean "stop reiterating the bullshit I heard from some bloke down the pub without bothering to check if it was even vaguely true".

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Jippa posted:

When are the full set of results supposed to be out?

For councils or Euros? Councils should be finished today - there was only 11 to declare last night - and the Euros don't count until tomorrow.

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nothing to seehere posted:

Euros have all been counted, but cannot be released until tommorrow I thought.

Euros better hadn't have been counted, because I'm on my regional count team.

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HortonNash posted:

Nah, it's the usual rah rah British authors Tory poo poo, mixed in with quite a lot of Dunning-Krueger. Everything about Gove's tenure at Education screams Dunning-Krueger, from Free Schools and Academies to the new Primary Curriculum and now the English GCSE syllabus.

So you didn't notice the specific content banned? Of Mice and Men is about how poor people cannot successfully rise due to prejudices in the system, The Crucible is about exploitation of hysteria, and To Kill A Mockingbird is about racial prejudice in law enforcement. They all ask questions that the Tories really don't want the next generation to be asking.

ThomasPaine: you can make your own Diet Vanilla Coke by adding a small amount of vanilla extract to your glass before pouring. I can get half a litre of the stuff for £7.50 from Costco and that's enough to flavour several hundred glasses, so don't waste your money on the £1 a can stuff.

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Quote-Unquote posted:

I'm probably bourgeois as hell but I'm eating the mustard flavour Tyrells pork crackling with a pint of ale and I'm reminded why England loving rules.

Jesus H Christ, how can you see to post? Those things are absolutely eyewatering.

After five hours counting votes, I am sitting in a sports centre waiting for the results to be called so I can go home. I believe we may want to consider if fascist tyranny doesn't have some positive points that we have hitherto overlooked.

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LemonDrizzle posted:

BBC liveblog says the SNP got 3 MEPs, so either UKIP or the Tories lost out

Good of them to post the result before we declared.

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