Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

There is a good song about him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTOhItq5Xow

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If I had mutant powers I would definitely move to the moon and start building an evil lair to blow up the earth.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

LadyPictureShow posted:

One mutant with super-speed was an Olympic champion in downhill skiing before his powers emerged (or at least before he was aware of them). Once people put two and two together, he was stripped of his medals.

I seem to remember Northstar was kind of bitter about it, but still admitted "I dunno, maybe my desire to win kicked in my speed powers a bit?"

How does superhuman speed make you better at downhill skiing?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

You can listen to them while doing something else. Certainly much more inclined to do that myself rather than read something.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I quite like videos about movies I have never watched and have no intention of ever watching.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

In most cases the ones given out today are the ones given out in the 90's. The end of the cold war collapsed military R&D spending and procuring new equipment is an extremely long bureaucratic process which is in no small part determined by "what do the old farts in charge of the army think people need" and weirdly, they often do not have a very good grasp on what is needed and also are generally reluctant to pay for new things when they can just keep using the old thing.

What normally happens is they slap a bunch of extra crap on an old vehicle and call it modernized, or make revisions to an old firearm and call it a new model.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The other issue is that they tried a bunch of weird and wacky firearms ideas in the latter half of the 20th century and it gave you poo poo like "what if we put a kilo of CCTV camera on the gun" and "what if we used weird ammo that doesn't work half the time and costs a fortune"

A lot of the more exotic changes run up against the issue that there is a huge industrial base that makes normal guns with normal bullets and anything that is particularly new will have to be waay better in order to overcome the logistical advantage of the existing industrial base which will always be able to supply normal guns with normal bullets. And the normal bulletgun technology is kind of perfected at this point, the only room for changes is to materials and what sort of bullets you want depending on where you're fighting.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

She could have pegged him.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I would simply not make the computer with the kill all humans option.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

HopperUK posted:

People like you are standing in the way of progress!

I figure in horror movies especially, the people doing a stupid thing that gets them into danger is part of the point, because it lets us be entertained by their plight while thinking 'ha, I would never have built the murder computer / gone to Shark Attack Cove / read the Latin out loud'. The movies where nobody really did anything wrong and then they get HorrorMovied anyway are way scarier to me. Like It Follows or Hereditary or a few Japanese ones I've seen where the message is 'haha sometimes you're just hosed'.

I mean my joint favourite horror movies are Alien and The Thing so I am quite on board with the "sometimes you're just hosed" message :v:

I guess Alien at least has some of the characters being quite stupid but most of them are making an effort. Ripley especially.

How she avoids just kicking Dallas in the dick for breaking quarantine though I do not know.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean his weird sex problems are probably a malfunction but yes him being evil for the company is literally the point of him being a robot.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I assumed it was just a case of if you make a robot that can perfectly appear human then it is going to run the risk of also picking up other human traits.

Which makes sense, IMO, they are supposed to be just as if not smarter than people AFAIK, it makes sense that some of them might develop horny as a side effect of living with humans in a human society, as well as a bunch of other potential oddities that they are not strictly programmed for. Him being a robot lets them control some parts of his behaviour but not the fine details. And the robots not being entirely under the control of their creators is entirely fitting with the central theme of the alien movies which is that people can not loving stop trying to do stupid poo poo that ends up killing everyone.

I thought the parallel between Ash being a pawn of the company but not wholly under its control because his nature as a complex (but horrible) being is at odds with the crude restrictions they have put on him, who then in turn idolises the alien which could also be employed as a weapon for them but which would also obviously be uncontrollable in many ways, is a very good bit of thematic symmetry in the film.

OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 18:22 on Aug 29, 2021

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

HopperUK posted:

It is possible that my own asexuality is causing me to view this with a more skeptical lens. Why would he pick up horny? A sort of side-jealousy that they have this area of experience he can't access? I dunno I don't like it.

I guess I generally subscribe to the idea that sexuality has varying degrees of mutability where some people have positions from a very young age and they don't change, and for others it might change over time as mine has.

Though he might not actually be horny as a human would understand it but it at least makes sense to me that an intelligent robot might see that humans experience intimacy, romance, sexuality etc, and develop some hangups about it. A lot of humans develop hangups about it that are largely rooted in the social perceptions of intimacy that they are exposed to over the course of their life.

Essentially I can entirely believe that Ash could be a robo-incel even if he doesn't have a human sex drive because he lives as a human man in a society and can still pick up the lovely ideas from that society. Perhaps as a robot he looks at the porno mags and doesn't really understand it but does feel like he is expected to understand it because the magazines are presented with that assumption, and that makes him feel like he is wrong somehow because of that and as a secret company agent robot he probably doesn't really have anybody who he could talk to about that. And he's already a person who is totally OK with killing a bunch of other people so he's probably predisposed to lovely ideas generally. Him being someone who hates humans but also looks like and is expected to live as one and is struggling to fully make sense of how he feels about that and how to process human social expectations and also he is a murderer and so all this emotional turmoil gets expressed in really hosed up ways, I thought it was quite a good characterisation and an interesting inversion of the "robot learns how to love" idea because if they can do that it seems reasonable that they might also learn a bunch of way more horrible behaviours that skirt around the concept of attraction but are not the same thing but which society often conflates with it.

Like in a film where as noted there are already themes of sex and assault and stuff, I am inclined to read it as a portrayal of how hosed up attitudes about sex and women can be pushed by society onto people who otherwise might not have them. The idea that toxic masculinity is contagious enough that it can affect people who are not even technically men.

I dunno anything about the writing of the film or whether that is what it intended, given how old it is I would expect it probably isn't, but that's how I read it at least. I think it fits in well with the movie.

OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 06:46 on Aug 30, 2021

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Imagine me doing a large bong rip and going "what if the movie is about how society makes us all into the real monsters maaaaaan" if you want a TLDR

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I assume technically the nostromo would be a work computer.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

BiggerBoat posted:

Thanks for reminding me that Pitch Black is a movie that exists since my son digs Alien and Predator and I was trying to come up with a new movie in that vein. I haven't seen it since it came out but recall liking it.

Event Horizon is fun and gives me Alien vibes, not quite sure why, think it's mostly just the industrial look of everything and the fact that they apparently could only afford half as many bulbs as the space ships could do with.

No scary alien though, just sam neill, who tbf is real and thus more scary than the alien.

In a movie with quite a few silly things in it though I do appreciate that their immediate reaction upon finding out what happened to the crew is to just go NOPE and try to leave right then and there.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Well there are known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, and horror is the known unknowns, otherwise it's sci fi.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Sunswipe posted:

It's only horror if it takes place in a small village in the Midlands of England. Otherwise it's just sparkling terror.

I think everything that takes place in a village in the midlands is some kind of horror, yes.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

rydiafan posted:

Jesus, that literally made my eyes hurt.

I loaded it and it was black and white, but there were lots of gaps, so I turned noscript off and it was like the nuclear bomb scene from terminator.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is a strange duality, on the one hand I remember plenty of cynicism about all the big millenium boondoggles they started building, but on the other hand they were building them. I think there was a lot of manufactured optimism at the top and that is what really ate poo poo immediately afterwards.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jedit posted:

A joke subverted by the Different Drummers being a cult in Halo Jones book 1 and 2.

I would commit many foul deeds to see a Halo Jones adaptation.

They made a whole videogame series about him.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Just once I would like to see one of those "head of state is under attack" movies resolve by them just going "ok shoot the guy, we can just elect another one, idiot"

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I assume when the A wing crashed into the bridge the guy driving it died and his foot went on the accelerator and it just went off into the death star.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Two dozen warboys pedalling a tandem the size of a big rig, towing a flatbed trailer full of spare bike parts.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I feel like if the apocalypse happened then bicycles would be more common than people, you would be post bicycle scarcity.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Imagined posted:

This was Wal-mart's bike area in May 2020, one month into the pandemic lockdown:



Riiight, and if all the people who bought those bikes died because it was the apocalypse then you could just take their bikes.

It's like cars, you would not run out of cars if the apocalypse happened they would just be useless because the fuel would rot.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I was going to say how would you even tell, but tasmania actually looks much nicer than where I live.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Yeah apart from MK 95’ like what is there? I only watched the first Resident evil and have thankfully missed everything else.

The first resident evil is also good and fun. The laser hall scene is absolutely iconic.

Why doesn't it just do the big laser grid the first time? Because the laser room is self aware and just enjoys being a prick is why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8B-4-xdqaA

Why does it cut through his knife but not the plot critical doodad they brought in with them? It also has a sense of drama!

OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 02:40 on Oct 17, 2021

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Pilchenstein posted:

If it wasn't for Suicide Squad it'd be a contender for the biggest load of poo poo I've ever sat through, though I guess it stays very true to the games in that sense :v:

I mean it's not fuckin high art but there's some good fun fighty bits and the sets are quite neat, and some cool visuals too like the flooded labs behind glass with the floating zombies in them. I dunno, I like it. And like it also kinda sets up a bunch of stuff on the way in and then they have to fight their way back out through a lot of it, so you get a sense of tension and then payoff, the movie as a whole feels sensible structurally. It's a good movie IMO, very watchable.

The later movies look absolutely amazingly bad though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J58VPpPrmQU

But this is also entirely true to the videogames! I know wesker has loving matrix powers in them too!

OwlFancier has a new favorite as of 03:31 on Oct 17, 2021

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Oh no light too bright shield go boom waah.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think the bigger question is how does a society function when anyone can be running around with a 1d20 chance of a nuclear weapon in their pocket?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Demon influencers doing demon pranks for demon youtube clout.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Armacham posted:

I still like the Prestige ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I thought it was going to be a movie about shooting lightning around and then it was just all talking so I turned it off after half an hour or something.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

They could make a sequel and call it Children of The Corn.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I assumed the rationale was that he was the ideal ultrachad genetic superman and that's why he is the best bounty hunter.

Though the question then becomes why not bugger about with the genetics to make them even tougher? The clone planet whose entire economy apparently revolves around cloning can't do anything other than copy a dude? Why not make the warhammer space marines?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

That Italian Guy posted:

They gently caress around enough with the genes that the clones grow up to be adults in a few years, I guess they would also get all the bits and bobs fixed at the same time.

Yeah but like why not make them 9ft tall and bulletproof skin? Or have extra arms or something.

Seems weird that the ideal army would just be a bunch of humans.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

sassassin posted:

Why would Palpatine want his clone army to be super-powered? They're not supposed to win any wars, just fight some crummy battledroids to a standstill for a few years while the Jedi wear themselves out trying to keep an entire galaxy in check. Did no one watch the movies?

Jango was a mercenary with no underlying health issues, and the Kaminoans clicked print 1,000,000 copies with accelerated ageing and a whole lot of brainwashing. Once the civil war was over the Empire switched from clones & droids to conscription of the people themselves, which is obviously the cheaper and more effective way to control populations.

I'm going to say a brainwashed army of hulks is actually a better way to control populations, as evidenced by the fact that he spent all his money on stupid wunderwaffe boondoggles afterwards and then lost.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

sassassin posted:

Until the new trilogy most of the main characters weren't related to anyone else. Unless you count tie-in novels and memes.

Uh... the original trilogy has three of the main characters related to one another and that is also a central plot point.

The prequel trilogy then goes on to establish bizzare connections between a bunch of the characters too and also make them present at all the major historical events.

George lucas absolutely has a weird thing about it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Yes that's what I was getting at, the whole trilogy basically centers around making it so that a bunch of the characters from the original trilogy all actually knew each other beforehand and all went to the same places.

Which to a degree I'm sure could just be a desire to reuse marketable characters, but at the same time it basically means that the entire story can only be moved forward by a handful of people who all know and/or are related to each other.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

In fairness leia's nice planet did get blown the gently caress up and she got captured by the empire, and it's only because she hosed up that luke's hole in the desert got blown up, so the hole in the desert was kind of the better place.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply