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theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Ignite Memories posted:

A few of my friends are starting a DnD podcast and they're running a kickstarter for it. Is that something I could post to this thread, or would that be in poor taste?

If you're their friend, tell them to ditch the inevitable bad will this will generate and record 10 episodes first using lovely equipment they borrow or already have lying around. If they make it through all ten and are hungry for more, and so is some audience, then they should start a KS (really a Patreon but whatever). I get like weekly emails to my show from people who are like "Hey can we be on your website? We have a D&D game we think is really fun and interesting and we want to record it and so on!" I only ever hear from any of them once and their shows never happen.

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theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

hyphz posted:

Yea, at least some of the big podcasts may need disclaimers saying Warning: These people are talented. You probably are not. They get invitations to perform on/for TV. Do you? (And yea, Wizards shouldn't be backing them really.)

My thing has been around for years and is comparatively enormous and it's still not even close to a safe living wage even just for the two of us. That celebrity level is basically a lottery ticket that you have to put years of full day's work into. And the other thing that's a tough hurdle for the new AP folks is thinking that fun banter at the table is easy to capture. It's a pain. Mercer gets away with it by having a ridiculous amount of help, and a lot of the other big shows get away with it by not really playing any RPG at all, just using it as set dressing (Hello from the Magic Tavern, etc). The best advice you can give any potential nerdcaster is "This is going to be a hobby, do not try to treat it like a job."

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Ignite Memories posted:

I cannot stress enough how much this feedback is not helpful to me. They've recorded a bunch already - beyond that, I know the things you know, and have brought up some of these concerns with him too. They're doing it this way, so I linked it to the dnd thread. :shrug:

Well the response from the thread overall, a mix of uninterested shrugs, corrective attempts, and outright insults, should tell you everything they need to know. Hopefully they hit that potato salad lottery.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

hyphz posted:

I was referring there more to stuff like Critical Role (established professional voice actors) and Dragon Friends (established professional comedians) than System Mastery which isn't primarily AP. But as I understand it you've had some comedy training too? Which is probably more than the typical podcaster.

No, I totally get it. There are a few people like the McElroys that make their fame from just talent and time but yeah, a ton of the big names have celebrities to begin with. And no, no comedy training. I mean, Jon tried standup for a few months way way back but it's not like he went to school for it or anything.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Huh, the "what editions have you played" pictures feature a blurred out 4e PHB with a ? on it for the "other" category. I wonder if that's because the branding on that edition was clean and obvious?

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

I know the tribal chieftains, and when I consult the oracles
I present my sacrifices, to whit kobold, goblin, orc and all

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

SettingSun posted:

I rather liked how multiclassing worked in 4e. You took a feat that basically splashed a bit of the aspects of another class onto yours. Unless you were a bard, you could only do this with one other class. You can go really far into it though, taking more of that feat tree making a real hybrid, and there was even a paragon path dedicated to doing this.

Plus there was also a full multiclass option called Hybrid that was weird but not terrible. Came out in the PHB3 but was fully backwards compatible with every other class. If nothing else it was certainly useful to clam up your weird friend that only plays Fighter Mages.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

KittyEmpress posted:

Nah. I used Suggestion to make him give us everything he was carrying and walk home. Naked. He later got a demotion and reassignment far away from the party, because while technically his mission was to retrieve such objects, he ruined his relationship to the party. Which had retrieved a half dozen similar things and handed them over.

Player is now making a tiefling paladin/warlock replacement.


The other game had my glamour bard met a rival siren (ixalan mtg world)bard. She beat him in a contest of instruments, failed to steal his violin bow while he was showboating, so he caught her hand while she tried to grab it and forced her to dance with him. She beat his dancing rolls, took control of the dance, danced him through the tavern forcing him to take the woman's steps, and started calling him her trophy wife. He enjoyed it and started talking about how no pirate captain is complete without a pretty girl by their side and a pretty bird on their shoulder, and they 'can be both, basically"


I like bards.

Gross.

Gross.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

KittyEmpress posted:

I legitimately don't see why not? Murdering a guy is kosher, but sending him home embarrassed and shamed isn't?

Legitimately yes. You can tell because while Aragorn kills a lot of orcs, he doesn't make anyone get naked and walk into town, and if he did, that'd be the only part of the books anyone would really talk about.

KittyEmpress posted:

As for the second one, it was all in good fun and nothing ill was meant or taken from it, so *shrug*.

Different humors for different people I suppose.

"Hah hah I made them take the lady role and called this guy a wife! This is traditionally emasculating!"

See, it's differently funny because I don't think sexist stuff is funny. I mean, you get a half-redemption because it sounds like everyone was consenting, but the story still reads gross.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

KittyEmpress posted:

Yeah, I never considered anything like that. In our group it basically got a few laughs (and a few people grousing that 'we should have killed him so he can't sick his organization on us, why you gotta be such a goody two shoes'). Even the player of the PC only complained because 'If I hadn't missed two of my three shots, she'd have been dead before she could do it, and I would have won. Dang low rolls.'

I am really sorry for anyone I made uncomfortable with it. It wasn't meant to be rapey or sexual abuse, but using mind control to non-lethally resolve a situation in a way that left people laughing, and felt suitably 'what the gently caress, I'm gonna gently caress you over' without going fully deadly, because my PC is all about non lethal. But in hindsight with this mentioned, I do understand how that can be taken now, and I'm sorry for it.

S'all good. In my first attempt to play with strangers off one of those bulletin boards in the FLGS, I found myself at this dude's house explaining my Elf Cleric (Elf/Time Domains because I'm a real piece of poo poo). I should have seen the warning flags that he thought it was weird I'd want to play a girl character, but y'know, first time. Anyway, we start the session and I realize my character is insufficiently cheaty to really roll with this squad and I'm not having a great time anyway, when suddenly a recurring joke occurs that the table finds hilarious. A "big fat retarded gay orc baby in a diaper" comes out from around a rock and starts demanding dicks to suck. This situation is apparently normal, so the whole rest of the party is just having fun adding adjectives to this creature as it stomps around, and throwing subdual damage at him so they can knock him unconscious. I was new to trying to find games, but not new to standing my ground about poo poo, so I told the DM this was making me pretty uncomfortable, as a bisexual dude, and also just as a person who tries not to be a piece of poo poo (except in character design). His response was to have the orc stomp after my character demanding to suck a dick. He went so far as to have some custom setting god sex change my character on the spot to have a dick to suck. Since then I've had a hard time not assuming everyone else's game isn't a big creepy poo poo storm.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

AlphaDog posted:

Thank you for understanding why people had a bad impression. It's fine to have not thought hard about this type of thing. It'd be nice to be a person who didn't have to.


So yeah, stuff like this is why people are willing to judge very quickly when even a hint of non-consensual sex-adjacent stuff comes up in D&D. You see poo poo like that play out a couple of times and you're just ready to nope out of there (or start saying "this is not ok with me" or similar) at the first sign of it happening instead of waiting.

I excused myself and kicked his barbeque into his pool on my way out.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

poorlifedecision posted:

Sick, I hope you did it without looking, cool guy style.

I wish. Took a bus there so I basically had to have a running and hiding plan. Sadly no one stood up and clapped and no one there was secretly einstein.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Toshimo posted:

I believe the culprit is this motherfucker right here:



What was the Level Adjustment for the Spoony template, anyway?

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Section Z posted:

I'm honestly surprised the thread has honest to god hit "Infinity plus one, so there" posting :smith:

I'm not. How much 5e was there to talk about really? If you were thinking Fighter, pick Bard. ASIs before feats. Done!

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Arthil posted:

I'm not sure how they'd have reacted if I hadn't stun-locked the thing when its single-use Legendary Action triggered at really low health and brought it back up to half.

I'd have rolled my eyes medium hard. Triggers that are just "this fight lasts longer now, no other change" are dumb.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

The Bee posted:

I want someone to use it to build Captain Ginyu in 5E.

He can't exist in a universe where there's a chance his dances would fail.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Fruity20 posted:

One thing I read about why people still play 3.5, folks like different things. One thing I noticed about 3.5 is the multitude of classes to play as which is carried over to pathfinder. In 5e, we like have some classes and subclasses (i think 12? correct me if i'm wrong on this one). Some classes are either useful in certain areas while others are better in a roleplaying way then rollplaying (blood hunter is a example of this).

Good for game play and good for role play are not like two weights on either side of a seesaw or something. If something is bad, that doesn't mean it's good for RP. It just means it's bad. A poo poo subclass is just a dumb mistake the writers made. They weren't like "Wow this Blood Hunter is almost TOO FUN to play, we better make the rules awful!"

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

I don't know why the Champion needs to exist. It's the same autoattack fighter that has literally never worked in any edition of D&D, it's boring to play, and it's obviously the noob trap fighter for people who think that tracking superiority dice is too hard or something. It seems to be a callback to those early articles about opt-in complexity that never materialized because it's difficult and rulings not rules.

There is no good way to balance bigger numbers against abilities really, either your numbers are big enough that the abilities are garbage or having the abilities makes you better enough that numbers are a suckers game.

An honest to god literal outgrowth of the "There needs to be a class your little brother can play" thing. Which is a trope that somehow exists only around D&D. Even the other big old dinosaur games never bother with this one, because they rightly recognized it as some weirdly phrased narcissism from old grogs. You never see the "Punches and punches alone man" in Shadowrun. I mean, you can build one, but you have to know how to use all the tools everyone else is using to do it.

It's probably also got a touch of Mearls being regressive about old school fighters in it. Would certainly fit the progression from Essentials.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

gradenko_2000 posted:

the funny thing is that the whole "simple class to play" arguably didn't quite exist before: even if you were playing a 3e Fighter, you still had to figure out things like avoiding trap options, taking Power Attack, Shock Trooper, Robilar's Gambit, maybe begging your DM to give you access to Pounce, and picking the right items.

And sure, that all just boils down to letting you hit like a mack truck, but you still needed some level of system mastery to get there

Go back to AD&D and Fighter makes basically no choices whatsoever, and I think that's what Mearls thinks fondly of. There weren't even kits or dart specialization. You just used whatever weapon was the most magical and rolled a D20. Plus all that stuff you're saying here about 3.5 charop was never intended by the designers. I mean, 3.x is still an era where the designers thought strength was the most heavily weighted stat so the half-orc had to take two penalty stats to get it. Players learning to cobble together little jenga towers of magazine feats to stay competitive was just hobos figuring out how to make mulligan stew.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Reene posted:

I'm more confused by the people who think DnD hasn't been pay-to-win since like, 3rd edition. That was one of the main impetuses behind the splatbook treadmill.

The 3.x splatbooks were to scattershot for pay to win to have been the case. Take a look in any one of those random Tome and Blood or whatever little prestige class splats and you'll see very little but dumb, forgettable ideas. Any class that stands out dramatically above others in 3.x is basically a mistake that designers made. They didn't have grand designs, they were just shortsighted and there was too much old stuff to bother taking into account when designing new ones.

What I'm trying to say is that 3.x was the process of random mutations and natural selection, there was no intelligent designer.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Clearly the game needs blue mages. Gotta learn that Grand Train.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

xiw posted:



they've never actually seen a ship have they

Welcome aboard the good ship Fatty Dumpington. She's as slow as she is pointless. Like trying to sail a parked car, she is!

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

P.d0t posted:

I've been trying to come up with a not-overly-fiddly way for doing rolled stats in 5e D&D, but in testing it out, it still merits rerolling about 10% of the time.

Basically what I've got so far looks like this:
  • roll 6#3d6, assign in any order
  • any '1' that comes up is turned into a '6'
  • if you roll a fully-matching set on any group of 3 dice, treat each die as a '6' (i.e. 18 in total)
  • calculate your ability mods (not including racial mods); if your mods add up to +6 or less, you can boost all of your stats by 1
  • if this doesn't increase your total above +6, you can reroll your array (or use standard array/point buy.)

Any thoughts/suggestions to make this work a little bit faster and smoother (and with less rerolling)?

Yeah, make it so it also shoots toast on your breakfast plate and turns your kids beds sideways so they get to the bus on time. Maybe with the use of a blowtorch on a balloon or an old-fashioned clothes iron falling on a lever that strikes a match.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Just have everyone roll a big pile of dice, marvel at the fascinating results, then give them a good array to pick from. Discard the die results.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Alternate fix. For every class that has more than one obvious primary stat and at least two secondary attributes it desperately needs, choose one secondary stat and consolidate all the rest to it. So for naked barbarian you need Strength and Constitution. Anything that used to say Dexterity or Wisdom or whatever the drat hell now says Constitution. Now that no class requires more than two stats MAD is over with. Donezo. Oh and hey does it fix multiclassing? A little. Pick a class that has a primary or secondary that matches your current ones. If you wanna play a Int-Str-Wis-Cha class, up yours those weren't supposed to be good in the first place. But hell you could let players pick what their secondary stat is to accommodate future multiclassing!

theironjef fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Nov 22, 2018

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Fender Anarchist posted:

DMed for a few d&d rookies, had an absolute blast. It was my first time playing in person and it's just a whole different experience. One of my cousins was your stereotypical 'lol chaotic neutral' type and I think I wrangled him well enough; he kept loving with the nobleman escort. At one point she (the bard) cast sleep while disguised and knocked out everyone but the ringer I brought along, he smacked her down and was highly distrustful after that. A few minor pokings and a gratuitous use of Friends later, and he knocked her out with a Sacred Flame.

I think he's gotten the message. Next session starts in a town so hopefully he can get the fuckery out of his system without screwing with the party.

He didn't. He got the spotlight and the go-ahead. You can't solve player fuckery in game is like DM lesson 1. You have to tell him to knock that poo poo off directly and in person.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Fender Anarchist posted:

Alright I was phoneposting but yeah. Nobleman paid for an escort through the wilderness (basically a macguffin for Stuff To Happen Session One), said escort consisting of the PCs and an NPC cleric. After the second little combat encounter, cousin 1 with his bard lady decides unilaterally to rob the nobleman, right in front of the cleric, who protested verbally, at which point he immediately cast sleep, knocking out everyone except said cleric. After his club came out, cousin 1 just declares a persuasion roll to convince cleric to lie to the others on the bard's behalf which I outright refused. Final combat went smoothly enough, but the group weirdo was doing a victory dance covered in gore, and the bard cast Friends on the cleric and talked him into joining in. After it wore off is when the Sacred Flame came out.

Cousin 1's excuse was "i didn't know if i'd get to do social stuff so I tried it out loving with people while I could!!!". Cousin 2 did confront him, gently, from the POV off "I'd be on board for that stuff if we discuss it first, lemme get in on the action", etc.

1 claims he'll shape up once he has a tavern or similar outlet. Like I said, they're all brand new to RPGs in general so table ettiquette isn't quite there yet, and I'm hesitant to kick out one of only three confirmed regulars so far; idk how well a two-person party would work. So far the other two are highly amused by the antics, but if it persists and the others clearly aren't enjoying it there will be a stern talking to.

You don't need to kick anyone out yet. Just tell them that isn't how the loving game works, and if they give you an excuse that has anything to do with character motivations instead of actual personal accountability, tell them that isn't how the loving game works again. Like say if they say something like "he'll shape up once he has a tavern or similar outlet" you can say "no, because your character isn't being a weird rear end in a top hat, you are. You can stop immediately."

That said, if everyone's having fun, I guess everyone's having fun. You probably won't get a lot of positive response to stories about your game for dickheads though.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

dex_sda posted:

What am I missing?

Just remove the Suggestion spell from the game.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

You're basically trying to use a first level spell and a bunch of linguistic pedantry to play as an ersatz Jigsaw. Hold still while I murder you. Burn your friends alive. It's not commensurate with the power available from the wide range of other low level spells, and it's not like it's hard to compare it to them, they're right there (imagine if Burning Hands generated this amount of arguing). Doesn't matter if it's reasonable or not. No spell is powered by logic and pedantry, this is a game, knock this variety of poo poo off.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Conspiratiorist posted:

It's a second level spell, just like Phantasmal Force! :suicide:

Oh well gently caress me I guess. Spell is still bad and the easiest way to fix it is to just remove it from the list.


dex_sda posted:

I would definitely if I was the GM. This is waaaay too open.

However, if we look at Jeremy Crawford's tweets to go by RAI:

https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/741457127005257728

During combat the orders are brief, the explanations succint, and definitely not aimed directly against a trusted team member. I think it's intended to be a Jedi Mind Trick, essentially. I think that's what I'll bring before my GM.

Yeah, but we have like several years of evidence that this guy is a complete tool. He has no idea what his own game does, and he's released video evidence that he's a poo poo DM for no good reason. I mean, he's just the second worst.

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theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

It's weird how they basically had very similar combat systems with squares and shifts and D20 rolls and you need a map and everything but one of them was apparently easier to ignore. And that was the good one? Like, that seems to be the universal standard, people saying "I had an easier time pretending all the poo poo in 3.x wasn't there and I am mad at 4e for having that same poo poo in it, which I could not ignore because."

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