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mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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I can't get over those human scum blocking the buses full of 8 year olds and chanting USA. It's like a scene from a horror movie.

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computer parts posted:

Yes. Short of a literal military coup (this won't happen) their influence has already peaked and there's no momentum for their policies any longer.

They have a bulwark against any board progressive policy agenda though.

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Don't they know he's a TERRIBLE candidate?

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So what the gently caress is going on at ABC news? They devoted a full 12 minutes to basically an ad for convicted felon Denesh D'sousa's new film, not mentioning that he's a convicted felon of course. . Then they let the man himself come on the show spouting rantings about some kind of conspiracy involving Saul Olinksy... Martha Raditz ended the segment with "everyone should go see this film!." Is this real life?

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Jul 1, 2004

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Sir Tonk posted:

Kinda odd that Raddatz would plug D'Souza. Apparently Perry was on this morning blaming Obama for the border issues as well.

Yeah Perry was on with his hipster glasses spouting all kinds of insanity about some conspiracy where the administration wants people to cross the border because ?????.

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Jul 1, 2004

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Faustian Bargain posted:

I just read CNN's Boehner op-ed about why he's suing Obama and I can't believe he is really framing it as Republicans have tried to do things and it's Obama and the Democrats that have been ignoring them and doing nothing :what:

In other news, left is right, up is down, ignorance is strength.

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Fried Chicken posted:

Good news people, a bunch of millionaries have decided that no one cares about income inequality



For those who forget, Third Way isn't a "centrist Democratic think tank", it is a Wall Street lobbying group (primarily JP Morgan Chase) whose goals are cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other social programs (because that is a very responsible, very serious, very centrist position), and has been going after Elizabeth Warren since she was talking about the CFPB (and she kicked their rear end last December, resulting in a lot of muckreads on Third Way).

http://littlesis.org/org/35880/Third_Way

Anyways, god loving drat it. I know it is a rhetorical style in an election year (the House will stop anything from getting done in terms of policy), but that poo poo does matter for setting up the expectations you politicians will be held to and for closing off the path for the opposition.

Get ready to hear more from these clowns as Hillary Clinton is in bed with pretty much every one of these "centristy" groups.

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Radish posted:

I get the feeling this kind of thing is the way Hillary could blow the election. Republicans are going to vote so hard their election machines will catch fire after eight years of Obama with the thought of their great enemy Hillary in the Presidency. If she spends her time making stupid "Hey I can understand how poor you guys are since I was broke" statements while cozying up to Wall Street types that not only want more money, but to reduce social services it's not going to be a compelling campaign. We can talk about how important it is that we get a Democrat to nominate RBG's scotus replacement but that isn't going to drive non-political types to the polls on election day. If the GOP can keep their misogyny in check and only infer that the younger, unmarried types are the "bad ones" they won't have to worry too much about middle class, white, married women leaving their party in droves.

They can't. They can't talk to both their base and the public at large while remaining viable in a general election. And they are going to be looking at less than 10% of the latino vote considering those videos from CA getting widespread play.

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Magres posted:

Link? I haven't heard about this

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/showdown-border-marietta-texas-24406477

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Koch's charitable "gifts" are almost always to buy influence.

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Amergin posted:

1) Are you implying charitable gifts from wealthy donors whose political views you agree with are not in part to buy influence?

2) Even if the gifts buy influence, does that money not eventually benefit someone who needs it? Who cares why I give millions of dollars to cancer research if it eventually helps cancer patients who don't give a hoot about your political fights?



1) Of course not.

2) Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

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Fried Chicken posted:

They think more republicans turn out for midterms than democrats

They are right about that but even in mixed electorates, minimum wage issues pretty much always win.

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Amergin posted:

You can berate a system all you want, but if the only person who ever truly believed in all of its tenets is dead and the rest are trying to show faith to garner support but don't REALLY believe in every single tenet, and you're trying to equate the two, you're being thick and circlejerky just to be thick and circlejerky.

It's like dehumanizing Islam and then dehumanizing all Muslims through the transitive power of being a judgmental prick even though most don't necessarily treat every tenet of Islam the same.

You're really comparing criticizing one of the most destructive people in the american political sphere to dehumanizing Muslims?

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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

It would be so much worse now. We had actual moderates then.

What moderates were those again?

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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:

The moderates the stopped the privatization of Social Security.

That wouldn't get past now either. The country HATES it. (Unless it was a democrat who tried to pass it.)

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Shifty Pony posted:

I don't think the country has all that much input if the GOP gets in control. It will be done for Ideological purity our own good.

They would need 60 votes in the senate and the white house and it would be a frontal assault on their biggest base of voters. Not likely.

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Why are we using the term "border crisis"? There is no crisis on the border. It's in washington due to republican racism.

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Nonsense posted:

People believe there is some way all these children are crossing into the country without dying brutally in the desert and they believe Obama personally spread information about where to cross into the States.

The GOP base just doesn't want to have to look at more brown people. Period. We all know that if these were Irish kids in a detention center in Boston no one would be saying a thing about it and would be welcoming these kids with welcome arms. It's so obvious. I don't know why more people aren't just coming out and saying it.

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Elephant Ambush posted:

Because they know they can't be honest about that kind of racism.

Why can't they? It's a winning issue for the democratic party.

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FAUXTON posted:

I think he was talking about conservatives, mainly. Given, the Democratic Party would benefit from that honesty being unveiled as well, but then you see quotes from people in private, proving it's all just a ruse to get people to the polls in order to just be the same kind of jingoistic rear end in a top hat as which you spent a year classifying your opponent.

On the other hand stuff like executive orders for cabinet departments to de-prioritize non-violent migrants who were brought into the country as children is a public overture which truly improves the lot for countless people who grew up here and know no other home. So you take the bad with the good and vote for whoever presents the better balance.

Turning people out to vote against outwardly racist shitbags isn't really jingoism. It's progress.

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zoux posted:

The GOP gets off on getting called racist. They get to climb up on their moral high horse and accuse Dems of playing "the RACE CARD" and then the narrative switches to "is it racism" and liberals get called overly sensitive and so on.

Because you can't prove someone is racist. We know that they are racist, they know they are racist, but they have plausible deniability in the name of national security and economic reasons, so unless you have a secret tape of them saying "muhahahah we're doing this because we hate Mexicans ahahah" (and probably not even then) race is never a winning issue in the contemporary political climate.

I mean, Donald Sterling was on tape basically saying "I hate black people", still denied he was racist, and a good number of people believe him, or don't think what he did was racist.

This just isn't true. Black and brown people know that they aren't welcome in the GOP instinctively. That's why margins in those communities get bigger every year for democrats. That is racial politics.

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zoux posted:

Why because you are going to get more black people to vote Democrat? 90+% already do. Latinos vote for Democrats by a two-thirds majority. Demographic trends will cause minority voting blocs to eventually tip elections, but most minorities are well aware that the Republican party is racist. Democrats would have to convince undecided white voters that this is motivated by racism, and that is difficult to do.

It's not the margins that matter though, it's turnout. And those groups notoriously bad at turning out during off year elections.

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Those 8 year olds at the border better watch out.

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CannonFodder posted:

Pilot Flying J is not a trucking company, it is a chain of truck stops. The fraud was that Pilot J was setting up exclusion contracts with trucking companies so the company would only buy fuel at Pilot Js and get a 10 cent per gallon discount ... and then not actually giving the discount. Since a truck goes through 500 to 1000 gallons a week, that discount can add up quickly with a large fleet.

BTW: profit margin on a gallon of diesel is about 30 cents.
Hey, let's get this right, she's from NC, not GA. My state :negative:

Any recent polls in her race vs Clay Aiken?

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Republicans just filibusted the Dem's Hobby Lobby fix bill. Should be hammered in every close race around the country.

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Amergin posted:

The IRS scandal deserves more attention than the silly Hobby Lobby decision.

I agree. It's a scandal that the IRS has been bullied into stopping vetting these clearly political groups requesting tax free status for "public service."

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Amergin posted:

They were clearly discriminatory in their use of search terms and pretty blatantly destroyed evidence with those hard drives.

I think the liberal parroting of "well of COURSE they'd focus on groups who are anti-tax" is willful ignorance and whitewashing. It was a politically-motivated hunt.

Do you have any evidence that those HDs were purposely destroyed besides what Jarome Corsi told you? BTW i love that we're supposed to believe that targeting groups with political names to root out political activity is somehow evil and not, you know, doing their job.

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If someone is a black republican they are either already rich, or trying to get rich off of wingnut welfare. There are no exceptions to this rule.

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Amergin posted:

But the voting rights changes haven't reduce black voter turnout rates. They were supposedly going to affect minority voters more, but they don't seem to be.

Yes! Our racist loving with black people's right to vote got black people angry in the short term and didn't effect turnout, therefor you can't point out that we're loving with black people's right to vote!

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Amergin posted:

I mean obviously it's too early to tell, but if you predict something to happen and it doesn't happen, you can't just run around screaming "It hasn't happened, YET!"

I mean unless you're talking about Iran nuking Israel.

Would you like to argue that republicans all over the country AREN'T engaging in a despicable racist effort to deny black and brown people the right to vote or are you arguing that those efforts just aren't that effective?

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Amergin posted:

I'm saying that their impetus has nothing to do with race and everything to do with reducing fraud with very simple requirements. You need an ID to get a library book but requiring an ID to vote is somehow racist?

What fraud are you talking about? You do know that in-person voter fraud is virtually non existent right? I'm sure it has NOTHING to do with making it harder for people to vote who are more likely than not to vote against republicans and EVERYthing to do with the non existent, ineffective, imaginary crime of voter fraud.

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EvanSchenck posted:

The problem going with that relatively charitable interpretation is that the laws do have a marked tendency to target minority turnout and on various occasions Republican operatives and legislators have gone off-script to openly admit that this was exactly their aim.

It's funny that Amergin is willing to believe the GOP isn't doing something they readily admit to doing.

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Amergin posted:

Because they want the same end goal as liberals: prosperity and equality for minorities.

They just have a different view on how to get there. Therefore, they are straight up anti-black black racists.

OR, you're assuming everyone who disagrees with you is racist.

Did you write this with a straight face?

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The Rokstar posted:

Fixed this for you. Race doesn't really have anything to do with it.

Nah you're wrong. There are a ton of white non-rich republicans who are republicans for a ton of reasons even if they don't have the access to the wingnut welfare streams that black republicans do.

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Amergin posted:

It's not a non-problem, it's a small problem, one that can solved with a simple solution of requiring an ID for identity verification. There is no reason, if these IDs are free and provided to people, that minorities should be harmed by this. And so far they haven't been.

It's about as much of a problem as shark attacks or people being crushed by falling soda machines. Please address the many comments by GOP electeds and former electeds that state that it's about the disenfranchising of non GOP voters.

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It's much easier to not use racial slurs against people when there are other things that you can call them that are very accurate without having to justify using racialized language! I mean calling Allen West a scumfuck war criminal is pretty satisfying...

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Nybble posted:

^ He is (they are?) the psuedononymous inventor of Bitcoin. Satoshi's identity has not been confirmed, which made the whole thing very hilarious to see when everyone was freaking out about it.

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NEW: Federal appeals court tosses IRS regulation allowing subsidies for health insurance bought on federally run exchanges. Story soon.

I think this is a bad thing for ACA proponents, but I'm not sure why or how bad.

This ruling is just utterly insane.

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Nonsense posted:

Doubt that goes anywhere.

We'll see what President John Roberts has to say about that.

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comes along bort posted:

In which a couple immigrants meet a dipshit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI8rCleTbSo


Also Rand Paul wisely bolts immediately.

I like how he keeps asking her if she understands English despite her talking to him in English. What a nice guy that Steve King is.

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computer parts posted:

Put it this way - this is likely a major reason of why the Democrats have decent odds to keep the Senate.

Not that decent. It's looking worse by the day and that kind of blatant racism will probably help them pick up seats in the house.

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