Carmen Sandiego. Must. Die

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Trollhawke: Jan 25, 2012; I'LL GET YOU THIS YEAR! EVEN IF I SAID THIS LAST YEAR TOOOOOO
God I love the smell of salty succubi in the morning

idonotlikepeas posted:

I wonder if there's a meta-clue in here. Apart from the solution to the current mystery, overall, we're trying to figure out what the hell is going on with Carmen. This could be the beginnings of a clue to that, too: think about what you did, see things from her perspective. There may be more to that in future missions.

Yeah. Right now, the major themes have been gently caress churches, women and diamonds together (possibly something about women as objects?), abuse/violence against women... anything else?

Mordaedil posted:

Oh my god.

Try seeing things from her perspective. New York. We're going to New York.

The New York one faces Paris, the Parisian one faces the US... what's in the middle?

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# ? May 12, 2024 04:29

Waffleman_: Jan 20, 2011; I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Trollhawke posted:

The New York one faces Paris, the Parisian one faces the US... what's in the middle?

Of course!

Atlantis.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 18:52

RickVoid: Oct 21, 2010

idonotlikepeas posted:

I wonder if there's a meta-clue in here. Apart from the solution to the current mystery, overall, we're trying to figure out what the hell is going on with Carmen. This could be the beginnings of a clue to that, too: think about what you did, see things from her perspective. There may be more to that in future missions.

If we are supposed to try and see things from Carmen's perspective then I think we are going to need access to any additional files interpol has on her that we haven't already seen. We need to know what happened to cause her to leave her job as an intelligence agent and turn to crime.

And we'll need to be careful about it, as the last thing Hale and Crupper need is the Chief thinking her lead detectives are sympathisizing with Red.

I've got a suspicion that "Liberation" is going to be a theme here.

... We really need to get out of this loving crypt though.

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Atlantis!

Maybe she built a time machine and stole that too? It's not beyond her.

RickVoid fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Aug 2, 2014

# ? Aug 2, 2014 19:01

Bloodly: Nov 3, 2008; Not as strong as you'd expect.

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We need to know what happened to cause her to leave her job as an intelligence agent and turn to crime.

Depending on who you listen to, the answer was 'boredom'. Although that's not necessarily Noir-ish enough. She was not persuaded by anyone outside, as I understood it.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 19:21

Chewbot: Dec 2, 2005; My Revenge Meat!

I think it's safe to ask if a brother can get a google search on July 3rd, 1986 (year as seen in the second update).

# ? Aug 2, 2014 19:32

Captain Walker: Apr 7, 2009; Mother knows best
Listen to your mother
It's a scary world out there

http://www.datesinhistory.com/jul03.php posted:

US President Ronald Reagan presides over the relighting of the renovated Statue of Liberty

GET ME THE PENTAGON.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 19:34

TheMcD: May 4, 2013; Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Malice will never disappoint you.

Chewbot posted:

I think it's safe to ask if a brother can get a google search on July 3rd, 1986 (year as seen in the second update).

...so are we now trying to prevent JFK 2.0?

# ? Aug 2, 2014 19:36

Trollhawke: Jan 25, 2012; I'LL GET YOU THIS YEAR! EVEN IF I SAID THIS LAST YEAR TOOOOOO
God I love the smell of salty succubi in the morning

Chewbot posted:

I think it's safe to ask if a brother can get a google search on July 3rd, 1986 (year as seen in the second update).

Oh god, she's going after the Kuwaits?!

But seriously,

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Historical Events
Events 1 - 2 of 2

- Kuwait's National Assembly (Majlis al Umma) dissolves
- President Reagan presided over relighting of renovated Statue of Liberty

Famous Deaths
Deaths 1 - 1 of 1

- Rudy Vallee, singer (Vagabond Dreams), dies at 84

Barring any strange plot twists, it looks like it's time to key in the big lady herself
I'm sorry for the pun

# ? Aug 2, 2014 19:38

Captain Walker: Apr 7, 2009; Mother knows best
Listen to your mother
It's a scary world out there

TheMcD posted:

...so are we now trying to prevent JFK 2.0?

Any chump can kill the President. It takes a master thief to steal the president.

Or Nicolas Cage.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 19:50

Arsonist Daria: Feb 27, 2011; ^{Requiescat in pace.}

Captain Walker posted:

Any chump can kill the President. It takes a master thief to steal the president.

Or Nicolas Cage.

Carmen could be Nicolas Cage in his boldest role yet.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 19:51

RickVoid: Oct 21, 2010

Captain Walker posted:

Any chump can kill the President. It takes a master thief to steal the president.

Or Nicolas Cage.

So the real question here is: are Hale and Crupper bad enough dudes to save the President?

# ? Aug 2, 2014 19:56

Captain Walker: Apr 7, 2009; Mother knows best
Listen to your mother
It's a scary world out there

I was sort of kidding about the president thing--Remember that Hinckley already tried and failed in 1981. Carmen stealing the Statue of Liberty is very possible if the Secret Service is focused on protecting a head of state.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 20:00

Gwyneth Palpate: Jun 7, 2010; Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Carmen is planning on assassinating Rudy Vallee

# ? Aug 2, 2014 20:01

Kangra: May 7, 2012

I hope everyone ate their Corn Flakes!

(I'm old enough to recognize that date in reference to the Statue of Liberty; I just didn't think about it being in-game).

# ? Aug 2, 2014 20:30

fantastic in plastic: Jun 15, 2007; The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

Maybe Jodie Foster will like Carmen after this.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 20:48

Ariong: Jun 25, 2012

Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

Carmen could be Nicolas Cage in his boldest role yet.

Is it possible that we have a Face/Off situation on our hands?

# ? Aug 2, 2014 21:14

Sighence: Aug 26, 2009

Sighence on page 11 posted:

http://www.statueofliberty.org/statue_history.html

And then Frederic Auguste Bartholdi is the guy mainly responsible for the Statue of Liberty - a woman in a robe if ever there was one. Classic Carmen to go after a bigass target like this, no?

Motherfucking called it. :smug:

fake edit: watch this be a fuckup.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 21:22

RickVoid: Oct 21, 2010

Sighence posted:

Motherfucking called it.

fake edit: watch this be a fuckup.

We are still dancing to her tune, so even if this is the right next step, it's still not necessarily what we want to be doing.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 21:30

Waffleman_: Jan 20, 2011; I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Who wants to be doing any of this, really? Shunted off to some bumfuck joint whose sole mission is chasing after one dame with a flair for symbolism?

# ? Aug 2, 2014 22:52

Chewbot: Dec 2, 2005; My Revenge Meat!

Waffleman_ posted:

Who wants to be doing any of this, really? Shunted off to some bumfuck joint whose sole mission is chasing after one dame with a flair for symbolism?

# ? Aug 2, 2014 23:10

Chicken Doodle: May 16, 2007

Chewbot posted:

Amazing.

# ? Aug 3, 2014 00:01

Trollhawke: Jan 25, 2012; I'LL GET YOU THIS YEAR! EVEN IF I SAID THIS LAST YEAR TOOOOOO
God I love the smell of salty succubi in the morning

Waffleman_ posted:

Who wants to be doing any of this, really? Shunted off to some bumfuck joint whose sole mission is chasing after one dame with a flair for symbolism?

It's a game of hope and desperation - if Carmen were left alone to roam the earth, then she'd have the world effectively in her hands. It'd all go to hell, with might making right and violence as far as the streets go - what does it matter what the governments do when one slick chick has them wrapped around her finger?

And that's not even counting the Havoc she could bring to the common man - for those who don't know her, the crimes will most likely be pinned onto the other side - and with tensions still high, it'd only take a little push to send this world headfirst into war. It's this which the goves fear - that loss of control is what would keep Carmen alive - that, and if the world went to war most livelihoods will be either heavily changed or lost.

So, we just wait and play and eventually she messes up and boom.

The question is, what's going boom?

# ? Aug 3, 2014 03:02

Zephonith: Jun 25, 2008; Maybe if I actually played Mafia, I'd get a better gift from my Mafia Secret Santa.

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"Try to see things from her perspective, and think about what you did."

Focusing on the second part, "think about what you did" to me implies punishment and incarceration. I looked up prisons that might be visible from the Statue of Liberty, and there's Castle Williams and Fort Jay on Governors Island (Castle Williams was a military prison till 1965 and Fort Jay during the Civil War). Ellis Island also had some detainees, but it's in the wrong direction.

Edit: Alternatively, to climb to the Crown of the Statue of Liberty, it requires climbing 363 steps. The number 363 might be significant in some way?

Zephonith fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Aug 3, 2014

# ? Aug 3, 2014 04:12

Rockopolis: Dec 21, 2012; I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird

See things from her perspective and think about what you did?

Is the dude wearing a watch? Is he pointing to a time? Six o'clock?

That's a pretty good flashlight battery, by the way.

# ? Aug 3, 2014 04:38

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Chewbot posted:

Killing a man's one thing, writing a message in his blood... loving dire. Have to admit, I'm surprised to see it in English for once. "Try to see things from her perspective, and think about what you did."

Except it's not a "her". I don't recognize this guy, but the suit is Interpol.

Guys, what if the perspective is of the Statue of Liberty. We need to look out to the harbour from the top of Statue of Liberty.

As for thinking about what we did, it could be the death of a partner caused by our rash actions or maybe something happened between Hale and Carmen at the Statue of Liberty.

# ? Aug 3, 2014 05:08

Added Space: Jul 13, 2012; Free Markets
Free People

Curse you Hayard-Gunnes!

They're probably both references to her head. Not sure how we'll get up there during a VIP event, but I'm certain Hale is an inventive guy.

# ? Aug 3, 2014 05:19

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Guys, what if the perspective is of the Statue of Liberty. We need to look out to the harbour from the top of Statue of Liberty.

As for thinking about what we did, it could be the death of a partner caused by our rash actions or maybe something happened between Hale and Carmen at the Statue of Liberty.

Looking at Google maps, Lady Liberty faces southeast (or south-southeast. Ish.) Looking that direction I see Fairway Market, Ikea Brooklyn, Green-Wood cemetery and Brooklyn college. Looking at Green-Wood cemetery there is a statue of Minerva that faces Liberty, placed as a monument to the first battle of the Revolutionary War. Do we have anything else that could point to her as a target?

Also, Liberty does NOT face France. I dunno where y'all got your info from.

# ? Aug 3, 2014 05:39

Kangra: May 7, 2012

Have we checked what the guy is holding in his hand yet?

If it's a flashlight, light that torch.

~~If it's a fuel source attached to a stick, light that torch.~~

Guess I should have read closer. I think we need see what happens if we light it.
vvvv

Kangra fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Aug 3, 2014

# ? Aug 3, 2014 07:26

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Kangra posted:

Have we checked what the guy is holding in his hand yet?

If it's a flashlight, light that torch.

If it's a fuel source attached to a stick, light that torch.

Chewbot posted:

The man's hand grips the flashlight hard, most likely held there from rigor mortis.

# ? Aug 3, 2014 07:30

Turos Kensei: Dec 13, 2009

Yup. Fire up that bad boy. :colbert:

# ? Aug 3, 2014 07:34

Chewbot: Dec 2, 2005; My Revenge Meat!

Turos Kensei posted:

Yup. Fire up that bad boy.

It's already on. Whatd'ya think is lighting the room?

# ? Aug 3, 2014 11:16

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Chewbot posted:

It's already on. Whatd'ya think is lighting the room?

It's certainly not us, we aren't that enlightened.

# ? Aug 3, 2014 11:19

TooMuchAbstraction: Oct 14, 2012; I spent four years making
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Chewbot posted:

It's already on. Whatd'ya think is lighting the room?

Torches!

# ? Aug 3, 2014 15:24

Pgfizzle: Aug 21, 2007; In faire Verona

Bruceski posted:

Looking that direction I see Fairway Market, Ikea Brooklyn, Green-Wood cemetery and Brooklyn college.

Carmen is going to pull off an unimaginable heist: navigate through IKEA and steal the KR�UND�RD JEUELS!

# ? Aug 3, 2014 21:24

JT Jag: Aug 30, 2009; #1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Chewbot posted:

It's already on. Whatd'ya think is lighting the room?

Is it shining at anything in particular?

# ? Aug 3, 2014 21:31

RickVoid: Oct 21, 2010

Chewbot posted:

It's already on. Whatd'ya think is lighting the room?

Crupper's cheerful disposition.

# ? Aug 4, 2014 00:05

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

JT Jag posted:

Is it shining at anything in particular?

We've already had about 30 requests to either look at the ceiling from outside the casket, inside the casket and looking at the inside of the lid. Just a matter of waiting and seeing what we get.

# ? Aug 4, 2014 02:26