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Yep, that setup will get you plenty of room to build fun lists (and rebel aces will be a better buy than imperial, because a T70 and a T65 will struggle to reach 100 points between them, whereas 4 TIEs can get there quite easily with the expensive pilots and a couple of mods), more so if you don't care about getting all the cards and just print lists out from the list builder - which you should at least whilst you're getting started.
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Panzeh posted:https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/4/lothal-rebels-part-one/  This looks tasty as heck, especially the Zeb crew which i think will be surprisingly useful. Hera + Ezra + Poe is already 91 points though D:
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Panzeh posted:I think if you're going to include a significant escort with the Ghost you probably go for a cheaper pilot on it. I think the idea is that if you really want to you can pretty much make a 100 point list out of the Ghost set. I'm pretty sure you can get 100 points on it alone, yeah, and that does sound fine. I've no idea what the pilot costs for the others are going to look like though, and it's probable Ezra is the cheapest shuttle pilot. I'm guessing any combination of people with semi-decent initiative is going to kill the points for the third ship pretty comfortably.
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The Gate posted:Seems like it would be pretty tough to reliably get into range 1 with a Y-Wing. They're not really agile, no boost either. You don't have to, they just have to get into range 1 of you. That's the beauty part. canyoneer posted:Ramming speed with Zeb throwing 5 dice at point blank/range 1 is going to be a hoot. Yeah, I think Zeb is going to be a very nice crew on a lot of rebels.
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Kai Tave posted:Dorsal Turrets on Scum Y's with Unhinged Astromechs, that's like what, 22 points per ship? It's time for the age of 4YZ. I'd look at going with Kavil and 3 Hired Guns for a bit of actual initiative.
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Yeah, I've not started painting ships yet, but I intend to - and that looks like it's got a lovely amount of painting space. On a different note, assuming I can actually GET a copy of Imperial Aces next week I think this is what I'm going to be running for the weekly mess-around game: "Echo" (30) Veteran Instincts (1) Advanced Sensors (3) Intelligence Agent (1) Advanced Cloaking Device (4) Royal Guard Pilot (22) Push the Limit (3) Autothrusters (2) Stealth Device (3) Royal Guard TIE (0) Royal Guard Pilot (22) Push the Limit (3) Autothrusters (2) Stealth Device (3) Royal Guard TIE (0) Total: 99 View in Yet Another Squad Builder Been playing with it in the benchmarker and it seems like a lot of fun, but Echo is super difficult to actually get right. I had real problems last week with being arc-dodged by Dash Rendar with Engine Upgrade and PTL (he won init against my Whisper, otherwise I would have murdered him), hence the Intelligence Agent, plus I love inties with all the trimmings - but low-init inties with all the trimmings will have trouble staying in the right places I fear.
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Pyronic posted:This is a pretty nifty tool, thanks thespaceinvader No worries. You might also like http://xws-bench.github.io/bench/ - these should all be in the OP if they're not already. And yeah, many of my lists seem to involve me buying masses of things that aren't actually related to the lists at all other than to get cards. I'm seriously considering just buying the cards only on ebay. But of course, all the useful ones are always out of stock. bunnyofdoom posted:So why does one of the tokens in the ghost have Sabine's face on it? Is it for a mission or maybe something to do with her crew card? Also, holy poo poo Hera's Ability. We'll need to see the dial, but it means with the right crew, you almost have a stay on target/navigator combo with no stress.
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Pyronic posted:This is a pretty nifty tool, thanks thespaceinvader  THough I really want those advanced sensors and weapons engineer myself, I'm guessing you're doing a Latts Razzi Hound's Tooth?bunnyofdoom posted:Maybe give her Stay on Target? No EPT.
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Carnor stops you spending it at all, which blocks spending to fire weapons (but not Attack: focus that DOESN'T say to spend the token), whereas Dark Curse stops you using focus to modify the roll, but doesn't stop you spending it in order to make the attack at all.
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Ah fair enough. THe original way is not how I would have expected it to work at all.
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Definitely R5P9 on Poe rather than R2D2. 1 point cheaper and Poe will usually have the focus to spend at the end of combat because his pilot ability really makes you want to hold onto it DURING combat. Then use the point you save to give him autothrusters to make it even more likely.
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radlum posted:A friend and me just got into the game, bought two Starter Sets (the original one and The Force Awakens one); played our first game and really enjoyed. Now we are feeling the need to add more stuff to get to 100 points, what expansion should we buy next? Finster Dexter posted:I just got into this last week, and the Aces packs seemed pretty dang good. Two TIE/in and B-wing/A-wing are pretty good value. Yep, the Aces sets are very solid for what they get you, but ideally what you should try to do is get down to a local club and borrow some stuff until you know roughly what you want to fly, then buy that. Especially, the core sets don't get you into Scum at all (why isn;t there a core set with Scum  ) so if you want to play them you either have to put money into it or proxy/borrow for a while.
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Didn't quite realise MOst Wanted had two Zs in it. might be worth me picking up at some point soon since I'm really interested in trying a Latts Razzi/Ace/Z build probably using Mist Hunter as the ace. Or Talonbane. Dammit I want this whole game already. (And I've already played more games of it than I ever did of 40k or gorkamorka, which I probably spent WAY more money on overall.)
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Pyronic posted:I ran my Latts/Talonbane/N'Dru tonight against a Fat Han + Jake and had a lot of fun. Yeah, I ran it last week actually, in the end, with Latts/Weapons Engineer/K4 Droid/Hot Shot, Talonbane/Engine Upgrade/Hot Shot/Crack Shot, N'Dru/Lone Wolf/Hot Shot, which IIRC comes out to about 100. I lost though, against a Howlrunner mini swarm and Kath Scarlet. I blew up Howl with a range 1 Talonbane shot before she did anything, but it was all downhill from there D:
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I'd say maybe you should be able to spend an action to regen them or something? I feel like they should be cooler and gooder, but as they are they're slightly better than normal attacks for LOTS more cost. I mean, equip three ships with good missiles, you could have had an extra ship instead. That doesn't seem quite right.
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I'm assuming most people don't stop at just everything. You need at least two or three of most things to play competitive lists.
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Kai Tave posted:I mean, if you want to run competitive lists but are okay with proxying then you really only need minor investments for certain lists. Falcon + a wingman like Poe is only gonna run you $30 outside of the core set for instance and isn't that bad, a friend of mine runs with that because he doesn't own anything else. If you have to have all the official printed everything then yeah, you're gonna wind up with an extensive collection. I more mean in tournaments, and multiple lists. I just want to play all the things right now. DJ Dizzy posted:When using the mercenary co-pilot on a ship with the HLC, what comes first, the modification from the HLC or the co-pilot? HLC is definitely first, and I think the Merc would then allow you to make one a crit.
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DJ Dizzy posted:Sweet, thanks I'd be inclined to PTL rather than Predator on Dash just because of how hilarious boost.barrel rolling erryday is when you ignore all the terrain except what you end up on, and bring a bunch of debris fields with you.
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Inverse Lightning Reflexes. I like it.
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Can we shut up about realism in Star Wars please it has wizards with laser swords and pew pew blasters.
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Welp I got my poo poo kicked in 4 times tonight twice running Echo/VI/Adv Cloak/Adv Sensors/Intel Agent and 2 Royal Guard Ties with PTL/Autothrusters/Stealth Device and twice swapping one of the Royal Guards for two naked Epsilon Squad TIEf/os. Against Han/Poe twice, Chewie/Dagger Squad/Basic T70 and stresshog T70/Ten Numb/Poe. I acquitted myself OK against Chewie played by a total newbie (still lost), but got owned by the other two so hard. I like nippy arcdodgy interceptors, but I'm not yet good enough to fly them effectively, and against tough tournament winning builds like Han/Poe it's a real struggle. But I got some practice on my blocking and maneuvering, so it's not all bad I guess 
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Poe/VI/Autothrusters/R5P9/Weapons Guidance. Han/C3P0/Engine Upgrade/PTL and I think Kyle Katarn. It was an absolute horror to get with my list flown by a highly skilled player. I think I could have stood a chance reading Poe right with Echo and getting behind him, because a few 5 dice shots up the tailpipe will do for Poe pretty quickly, but the dice were not in my favour the second time with Echo and she died before getting a shot off. The Royal Guard did OK but I think killed himself with asteroids, and the Epsilons were only ever there as blockers anyway.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I've seen a few people bitching that Ezra (Jedi-in-training) gets an Elite Pilot Talent while [insert other character here] doesn't, and this is a travesty because the kid has flown the Phantom all of once (And did a horrible job of it). Nobody gets an EPT in the Ghost and I think that's necessary, being able to get EPTs would make that poo poo be crazy (or crazier, anyway). Even as it is both versions of Kanan seem very, very strong (I mean, killing an attack die off is huge), and both ships have solid, if unexceptional, dials. Not much green, but with the exception of lacking segnors or tallons, EVERY other maneuver except all stop is potentially open to both ships which is hella good, and crew options can make some of those green. I am super looking forward to sticking Sabine onto rebel ships that don't normally get bombs though, that sounds super fun. B wings and superdash in particular. Equally, Hera in the crew slot on PTL Keyan Farlander is going to be something. K Turn all day erryday. Or Chopper, for that matter. But I've got to agree with some of the whining, so far this wave does seem to be massively favouring Rebels. I mean, the new TIES have been nice, but the Ghost poo poo is CRAZY. The only thing they're really lacking is much in the way of initiative. I'm really hoping the Mist Hunter and Punishing One are something special. Shame Chopper doesn't have an Astromech slot option though 
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alg posted:^^^^ swarms, arc dodging aces It's basically a 3-die attack with no range bonuses. Which is OK. Boost/barrel roll is always good, 3 AGI is nice, it looks solid, especailly compared with e.g. Maarek. But arcdodging aces are a LOT harder to do these days with all the various stress-delivery and autohit/autodamage options, not to mention that z swarms are available to Rebs and Scum as well. Swarms are fine, but they're not that powerful a lot of the time - you can roll 2 dice all day, but when you're rolling them against a regenning rebel ace who dodges most of them... E: bunnyofdoom posted:Man, Keyan with Hera. Stack stress like focus on a crow. Trouble with it is you don't ever get any actions, even if you do what many Keyans do and use Advanced Sensors. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Dec 11, 2015 |
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Oh yeah, that's right. Didn't twig to that. It's basically a free Mangler cannon without the good bit of the Mangler cannon.
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Strobe posted:
Yeah I'm a derp, it cancels autothrusters as well, so not quite accurate. It's good but in comparison to some of the options on the Ghost it's not amazing, and the problem with lots of attack versus arcdodgy guys is that PS8 means you probably don't beat their initiative unless you take VI, so you don't get the shot. And even then, you're still only at 3 dice on 3 dice (or 4 if they still have a stealth device) and they probably have a bunch of tokens. It's good, but it's not amazing. The rest of the set remains to be seen though.
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Yeah, the Rebs do have an absolute plethora of excellent crew. The more I play around with Ghost builds (YASB has all the spoiled bits in already) the more I feel like a very good job of balancing has been done to avoid too many super-broken combos - you can't fit Kanan (Crew), Kyle, and Experimental Interface into the same build without using XI to do bombs as the action, which isn't amazing, so the equivalent of BB8 PTL builds really don't seem to work that well alongside the potential brokenity of using Advanced Sensors to get two actions then Kanan to destress and Kyle for a free focus when you do. The lack of EPT is fairly clearly a well-chosen move to balance the Ghost I think. Kanan is superb though. He feels like a gimme in many if not most Rebel builds that have crew slots. I'm currently being very entertained by the idea of Sabine in the B Wing/E2 seat. Keyan/Advanced Sensors/PTL/HLC/Extra Munitions (i.e. pretty standard Keyan) plus the ability to dump off a Conner Net in front of whatever luckless numpty tried to get in behind you. Twice. Then K-turn on them and HLC to face.
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Yeah, comes to just under 50 points, but I suspect that if you can catch an ace behind you at the right point, it gives you just the right level of 'being a massive dick to them' that aces need. You can fit in a tooled-up Poe and still have room for a Tala Z for a blocker. Alternatively PTL Superdash with Sabine and a Conner Net plus tooled-up Poe. I don't know if Sabine plus a Conner Net is better for PTL Superdash than Kanan though. Making Superdash all the manoeuvrable is soooo tasty. Basically makes Dash's entire dial green except the K-turn, meaning he can basically go everywhere and boost/barrel roll everywhere and keep HLCing all the things, everywhere. Superdash was bad enough. It seriously does make me wonder if Kanan isn't undercosted. It's a HUGELY powerful ability that only gets better the less green you have on your dial, and that's discounting the fact that it also works on others within range 2 if you didn't need it this turn. E: I think the only things we don't have from Ghost are the generic Ghost pilot and the Thermal Detonator now? Anyone have any guesses about the latter?
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My real issue with it is that it doesn't really feel like fat pancake rebel builds generally need much help or additional options as compared to say, similar builds using YVs. Hopefully Punishing One/Mist Hunter gives Scum this sort of love.
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That's my understanding. The only thing the shuttle does whilst docked is enable the Ghost title card's ability to make extra attacks with its turret and primary attacks from the rear arc. E: so, of the two 58 point big ships here, which goes best with Whisper? I'm leaning towards trolling RAMMING SPEED Oicunn, but 360 arcs are so boring Captain Oicunn (42) Daredevil (3) Ysanne Isard (4) Mara Jade (3) Engine Upgrade (4) Dauntless (2) "Whisper" (32) Veteran Instincts (1) Fire-Control System (2) Rebel Captive (3) Advanced Cloaking Device (4) Kath Scarlet (38) Veteran Instincts (1) "Mangler" Cannon (4) Conner Net (4) Gunner (5) Extra Munitions (2) Engine Upgrade (4) Slave I (0) Total: 158 View in Yet Another Squad Builder thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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3 times if you can chuck something to keep the TLT. I'd chuck the second RecSpec personally.
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KongGeorgeVII posted:A docked phantom is shooting 2 dice at range 2 and 3 at range 1. A prototype pilot has the same amount of health, same amount of damage and can actually fire at range 3 plus you can use it to block and it has autothrusters. A docked Phantom isn't shooting *at all*. None of its components are doing anything whatsoever except the title. Docked ships are not in play. http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Docked_Ships The docked Phantom is giving the Ghost 4-die rear-arc shots and free turret shots. An attack with a TLT is both shots AFAIK. Same wording as BTLA4 on the Y wing which allows three shots. 'Cannot attack again this round' stops Gunner or Luke going off if it misses, and wasn't needed on the Y because they haven't got the crew slot to make it possible in the first place.
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Devlan Mud posted:C-3P0 can modify Lando rolls, which are independent of evade rolls which take Agility into account. This is hilarious and awful. I'm not sure why I hadn't realised it worked. E: well, I am, it's because rebel pancakes are boring.
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For people who've done repainting, have you found it necessary to strip minis first, and if not, have you found it necessary to prime? I'm thinking about doing some repainting, particularly a dazzle-camo Decimator just to be trolly, and I want to make sure I don't mung anything up.
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I've got various options that I can work with, it's just what needs doing first if anything. From the sounds of it, probably nothing.
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jivjov posted:Plus, unless they're hiding a bunch of stuff from us, they've already made all the new ships from Episode VII except for Ren's command shuttle. I'm assuming they're hiding stuff from us, since the previews have shown all of two spaceship battles so far.
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Kai Tave posted:Holy gently caress yes. Even if Defenders are a pain to fit in storage trays, please be good. Scum aces E: Bomber crew transport title looks like 'swap all torpedo missile and bomb for two crew, can't take crew costing more than 4 points'. Super TIE Bomber pilot I THINK is '1/round after you discard an EPT card, flip it face up.' Long range scanners 'You can acquire target locks on ships at range 3 and... I stop being able to read it at that point. E: I think it's you can acquire TLs at range 3 and beyond, but you can't acquire them at range 1-2. Which does sound P awesome. Also, SO going on my Latts Razzi/K4/Weapons Engineer build. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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The X7 title looks good, the D title looks good, I have no idea which to pick. Also, bombers with crew, how does that affect things? Bombers are pretty terrible ships but as crew carriers maybe not awful?
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Tekopo posted:Can someone read the text for tractor beams? Been trying for ten minutes with various filters but got nothing ebtter than blur. It says something about End Phase and something else (Combat?) Phase but that's all I got. E: AndyElusive posted:A ship with at least one tractor beam token assigned to it follows special rules during these phases: Very nice if you can get a hit with it, but the sort of ships you'll want to be targetting, you won't be hitting much. It'll be good against the Poes and such, the ones you do chipping damage to and then they regen. Not what I was hoping for, I have to say. I was hoping for something along the lines of making white maneuvers red and green maneuvers white. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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