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TenementFunster posted:lol we have 33% odds that he'll come back spouting Juche
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Peven Stan posted:Trump going full ceaucescu would be fitting for this timeline well with ICE and military expansion and war on dissenters and all I have been enjoying seeing what my grandparents saw when the Nazis took Romania, only fair I get to see the other side too. This is that land of opportunity thing they came here for right, fascist speedruns?
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Telephones posted:Trump wants American Juche, he just doesn't know it yet. if Kelly was smart he'd give Trump a pamphlet...ok have someone read him a pamphlet....where he just describes an American Juche based around MAGA and let him go into negotiations thinking Kim and he are on the exact same page.
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May 12, 2018 05:01
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Vladimir Putin posted:Looks like America is getting rolled kinda yea. In the sense that Trump's team isn't gonna ever get the "REAL 100% PROVEN DENUCLEARIZATION" thing and never was gonna anyway. If that is the deal Trump will get mocked for functionally having a big show to get absolutely nothing, and all the "LOL LIBS LOOKS LIKE MADMAN THEORY WORKS" pre-emptive football spiking looks as dumb as we knew it would, but this is also exactly the result anyone with any knowledge of the region expects. Unless we're willing to fully pull out of Korea NK will never agree to anything meaningful, and frankly shouldn't because lol that'd be so loving stupid of them. Un's a young man with a long career in front of him, he'd likely very much like to be seen as the man who brought a cooling period to things, and we can give him that for very little on either side and I think that's a net win for the region if things can step back on both sides, which seems to be Moon's plan too.
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May 13, 2018 23:51
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Vladimir Putin posted:It’s occurred to me that Trump is pursuing this just to get a peace prize so that he can be better than Obama. absolutely yes
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May 14, 2018 00:03
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I'm just glad he's leading his Brest life
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May 14, 2018 00:07
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R. Guyovich posted:his first name isn't un you're right
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May 14, 2018 01:54
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Telephones posted:I was really happy when Kim Jong-Un and South Korea started to make friends. No mass civilian fire blastings, thank god. At the same time I had stopped paying attention to American politics and in turn forgot about the actually super loving dumb rear end in a top hat baby POTUS and Yosemite Sam. it rules that the current state of the quest for peace in the area hinges on if the two Koreas can successfully negotiate with each other while nodding and smiling at our big wet president so he doesn't get too angry and scuttle everything. Like, they probably are gonna straight up give him a peace prize just for not loving up Kim and Moon's work and all of American media is 100% in lockstep with his talking points saying 'yes actually he did a very good thing making all this happen and being personally responsible for all of this'.
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May 14, 2018 04:46
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Vladimir Putin posted:Yeah I think removing troops from the peninsula is a loss for the US. but probably a win for the region as a whole. Sometimes actually walking the whole 'superpower' walk means you take an L to maintain global stability.
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May 14, 2018 15:15
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mobby_6kl posted:I doubt everyone else in the region shares that view. yes I don't think the entire region is one massive hivemind, but at the very least there's a fairly significant chunk of SOUTH Koreans who'd be rather happy to see us leave, and that's probably worth acknowledging.
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May 14, 2018 16:49
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Vladimir Putin posted:Yeah I am aware of the history of Seoul prior to the Korean War. My point is that there’s no way it would have been able to reach that level of modern development without some guarantor of defense by virtue of its location so close to the border. Uh, that's a bold statement to make without actual backing.
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May 14, 2018 17:23
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woops North Korea cancelled tomorrow's talks with ROK and threatening June's with Trump over military exercises!
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May 15, 2018 19:36
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chitoryu12 posted:Invite North Korea to participate in the joint exercises as a show of camaraderie. 'we tried to invite them but they said something about needing gas money and it got really awkward...'
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May 15, 2018 23:16
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Max Thunder sounds like a gay porn star but you do you US military
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May 15, 2018 23:32
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Chomskyan posted:I don't think the US entirely withdrawing for the peninsula would have to "drive a wedge" in our relationship either. It is possible to have friendly relations with countries you're not militarily occupying especially considering how many ROK citizens genuinely want us to get the gently caress out, or at least MASSIVELY reduce our presence. It's almost like...relations could actually improve if we stop shoving ourselves in the middle of this issue and talking over everyone????
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May 16, 2018 03:52
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Fojar38 posted:Hope they also support a domestic nuclear program then I dunno, probably, nukes are hip, all the cool kids want em
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May 16, 2018 03:59
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Vladimir Putin posted:Didn’t NK say they wanted denuclearization of the peninsula? yes and NK has always defined that as a complete removal of the US forces, and then they'd be willing to do it because it'd be less likely they'd get invaded right away.
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this thread is a loving war crime am I right folks
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May 17, 2018 05:14
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Chomskyan posted:I imagine the South won't be happy about this yea I don't think anyone is shocked it collapsed, but the tone of 'it actually means nothing what you do and that you called for this meeting and all, we have such a big tough nuke arsenal we don't need to make peace with you, when you're ready to submit and give up call me' is honestly some Bolton stuff that should be worrying
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May 24, 2018 15:12
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/politiCOHEN_/status/999655197675806721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2F this'll end well
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May 24, 2018 17:20
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90% chance this still means "GIVE YOUR NUKES UP RIGHT NOW, NO WAITING PUT EM ALL ON A TRAIN AND DRIVE EM OUT NOW"
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May 24, 2018 17:24
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Ardennes posted:Eh, I don't think it is possible to fully reset the situation, North Korea has played this pretty well and seems reasonable and to be honest, I think Moon may try to get at least some type of agreement. yea this is the problem. We DIDN'T go back to the status quo, North Korea has even in the very least charitable reading of things been making a show of wanting to move forward and Moon possibly just had what amounts to his political life's work upended by Trump with apparently no real warning. We've lost really badly because now the best case scenario is a joint Koreas/Japan/maybe China unity team freezes the crazy idiot in America out to carry on.
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May 24, 2018 18:14
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Vladimir Putin posted:Moon hosed this whole thing by agreeing to this clusterfuck of a summit. He should have pulled the brakes on this a long time ago. Or at least managed expectations better. Moon has always had pretty clear and managed expectations though? When did he set the bar further than 'I'd like to work to ending the war and working to a better situation for diplomacy' which, yea, most Koreans on both sides of the DMZ would like that very much.
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May 24, 2018 18:23
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Confusion posted:He told Trump that NK was willing to commit to denuclearisation without explaining to Trump what they actually meant with that. I 100% believe he told Trump what that meant and Trump didn't care
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May 24, 2018 18:46
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Willo567 posted:Cross posting from Trump thread just for context is this from the state media thing just put out saying 'you hosed up but we'll still talk with you if you're nice' or something more meaty?
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May 24, 2018 23:48
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May 26, 2018 14:15
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the supreme leader wishes to praise your umbrella for its brave defection
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May 27, 2018 04:23
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I mean, yea, fair read there NoKo.
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May 27, 2018 04:55
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It's 2018 and Japan and South Korea do $70+ billion of trade annually. No dude that's not the same. We all trade with lots of people we don't like.
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May 30, 2018 17:37
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Ardennes posted:That said, pulling SK closer into a more neutral position (they are sounding real dovish at the moment), would certainly be a pretty tremendous victory for China in particular and if anything was worth subsidizing North Korea on its for. Abe is extremely right wing regarding Korea and I really doubt has a deeper plan than 'rely on US to back him up' because he probably knows it's a safe bet.
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Jun 3, 2018 15:46
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yea Singapore is fine. There is no real 'neutral site' within reason and Singapore has historically been open to both China and America diplomatically while treating NK as a 'yea ok you do you and say you won't blow us up and we're cool I guess' thing.
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Jun 5, 2018 15:32
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Vladimir Putin posted:Because it normalizes the relationship between NK and SK. It’s saying Ok war over this is what we recognize as a ‘normal’ state of affairs. NK does it’s thing and SK does it’s think indefinitely. So do you think the path to peace should be based on saying 'the war will not end until the south conquers the north' because it's not like NK is about to just say 'yep absorb us peacefully' any time soon even under a hypothetical more modernist outlook.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Peace at this point which excludes reunification is taking an immediate solution while the long term prospects of the Korean people remain unresolved. I would hope that no leader in their right mind would take such a deal of convenience. Especially SK since they should be in absolutely no rush to make any sort of deal. It’s NK that’s pressing for a deal; SK is doing fine and could continue indefinitely. HOW would they reunify without mass death and conquest? Do you think Kim has just been shuffling around watching the 'reunification meter' slowly tick higher and higher or something? The North will never unify under the Kim family and frankly the ROK isn't wild about the idea of suddenly getting a huge influx of citizens fresh from the whatever the Korean word for gulag is.
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Vladimir Putin posted:I’m not Korean but I travelled a lot to SK when I was in academia as a visiting scholar. I would say that there is a real sense of ethnic identity as being ‘Korean’ (note not ‘SK’) in SK and that anecdotally from my part in interacting with people and from what I saw in the media and art I felt that there was a strong sense that NK/SK was really one people and should be one again one country (eventually). That’s part of why I argue so much for reunification as part of an option no matter what and that no deal should exclude that. this is every non-Korean trying to explain why actually the south thirsts for glorious conquest of the savage north as is their divine right despite all evidence to the contrary.
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Telephones posted:He is afraid of assassination. it's probably genuinely this. Like he knows this is gonna be a jackoff session and he probably genuinely is worried that someone is gonna pull poo poo after the Libya talk and morons like Lindsay going around all "BUT SIGN MY WAR PLAN JUST IN CASE GUYS". Why hang around outside of home when you know it's gonna be a simple 'yea peace, that's good' thing.
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So the summary of the meeting was basically just the expected 'we agree nukes are bad' with no actual plan and a promise to pause military drills? Eh, probably the best we could hope for.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:How? How has this brought the peninsula closer to peace? No agreement was reached, nothing about the situation has changed. because every month Trump gets to jack off about his big fancy meeting is a month he doesn't scream "WHY CAN'T WE BOMB THOSE loving JAPS OR WHATEVER"? You get these meetings are like, half appeasement for US right? Moon's just trying to keep things from being hosed up by our big special wet boy
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Sinteres posted:No, but cutting out the 'actually the Democrats are the real problem when it comes to peace with North Korea' would be a good start. the dems taking a stance of "WHY ARE YOU TALKING WITH KIM AT ALL YOU STUPID PUSSY" is genuinely bad
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Sinteres posted:They don't think negotiations are bad, they thought a meeting between heads of state with no discernible goals was bad. oh wow I guess I just got drunk and hallucinated all the dem takes of 'how dare he give legitimacy to NK' which is 100% imperialist bullshit that means nothing except 'you think North Koreans are human? You idiot, you loving chump, you're playing into their hands!'
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Sinteres posted:jfc you're dense, giving Kim a big public meeting as equals would be one thing if it had come at the end of a series of negotiations which could lead to a genuine binding deal which presumably would have concessions from both parties, but blowing your wad on the meeting (and yes, contributing to the end of North Korea's diplomatic isolation) for nothing of consequence was a wasted opportunity at best. Do you think it's better to keep ignoring them/provoking them until they just decide to do what we say? That's pretty much the alternative, either we suck it up and 'reward' (not enough of a jerkoff motion possible for this) him with the bare scaffolding of respect that is 'we had a 20 minute meeting for publicity' to get him to the table at all or we just keep doing ~hermit kingdom~ bullshit that leads to absolute bonkers poo poo like 'the poor simple savage North Korean isn't even allowed to know what love is' being spread.
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