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Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Am I the only person who likes Laurel as Canary II? She's just trying so hard out there and it's finally starting to work :3:

Although I know they're trying to mimic the comics with her using fighting more than anything else, but Jesus Christ, woman, you have the Canary Cry for a reason. Use the sonic thingies to even the playing field! :psyduck:

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Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Boogaleeboo posted:

So you'd still be conscious for the fall that would turn your bones into jello on impact. And because even if you didn't die to either of those insanely fatal things, lying half naked on a peak like that with the chest wound for about an hour would be enough to kill you too. There's really no end to the amount of insanely bullshit things Ollie just happened to survive.

lazarus pit

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Pwnstar posted:

Can't wait for Oliver to casually mention to Thea that she murdered Sarah.

At the rate we're going this season it's going to be :ohdear: followed later in the episode by "Do I get a costume now?! :neckbeard:"

I mean I love it but wow the masks are coming out of the woodwork right now and with little or no motivation.


e: I really really REALLY loving hope they don't run with the Speedy has HIV angle from the comics due to DJ Sleazy Assassin. That would ... be a poor decision.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Whizbang posted:

If Thea gets a mask/costume before Diggle...:sigh:

Uh excuse me, Freelancer very clearly has a balaclava

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Valeyard posted:

Diggle is the backup Arrow!

I mean he uses a gun but it's basically the same thing!

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

bobkatt013 posted:

As you can see in Flash. They really hate its comic book roots.

One of these days I hope they drop the hyperrealistic crap and give a major Flash villain their actual comic book name :ohdear:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

greatn posted:

They have the most boring villain too. The Reserved Flash? Why is he so reserved? Why would we want a villain who is always quiet and polite?

No, he's the perfect foil. Contrary to the Flash's super speed, his power is to ... not do much of anything at all!

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Spacebump posted:

I hope they have some kind of explanation in a later episode for why Laurel doesn't use the canary cry in every fight.

It's pretty much the same issue in the comics. Black Canary could literally use the cry in every single fight and tear a wide swath through pretty much every villain in existence, but she prefers detective work and martial arts and only uses the cry in emergencies.

There's no real reason for it, but it makes it a lot more of an "oh poo poo" moment when she busts it out, so I'm willing to go along.

Also, the hell is she using as a weapon? A tonfar/nightstick? Broken part of Sarah's bo? It's really awesome but I swear I can't tell what it is.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
"I want you to become the next Ra's Al Ghul."

"Great! Where do I sign?"

Somewhere, Batman pisses himself in rage and has no idea why. And if you think Ollie is gonna let him forget it was offered... :unsmigghh:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

BrianWilly posted:

Until further notice I'm just gonna go with the Occam's Razor of Sara getting Lazarus Pitted.

This would be hilarious but would also lead to a Canary-off, and I don't think Laurel would win :ohdear:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

I like Laurel, okay?! She's plucky and endearing :mad:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

BreakAtmo posted:

a: We've just been spoiled about Sara being revived with a Lazarus Pit (maybe Sara showing up alive will be how Lazarus Pits are properly introduced?)

Man, we are going to be so confused when she comes out of that pit and she's Peter Capaldi.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

evenworse username posted:

I guess he didn't say he wants Oliver to be his *immediate* replacement? Like, maybe the idea is to train him up for the role.

It's all a long con to get Lance as his guy.

...Detective.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
I'm actually getting less and less okay with Ollie as an ersatz Batman. Where's swashbuckling philanthropist Ollie with a martial artist girlfriend who drives bikes? Where's the fun? They should've worked through the whole tragic back story thing already :mad:

e: also how did I miss that was Katana in the flashbacks? :psyduck:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

enraged_camel posted:

All that said, I'm curious about how Nyssa will handle Ra's decision to train Oliver.

I sense tension brewing! :dance:

Speaking of this, I like how there's a very subtle context of "Talia's way better than you."

Like maybe I'm reading too much into things, but the way they keep going "Well you'll never be the heir" kind of emphasizes Talia's first in line.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Deadpool posted:

With DC putting the kibosh on Harley and Bronze Tiger because of other movies and TV shows and since Manu Bennett already got cast in another show I'd imagine we might have seen the last of Slade for a while too.

Harley never had a chance outside her wink-wink-nudge cameo. The fact that we even got that made me a lot happier than it probably should've.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

enraged_camel posted:

I dunno about that, I thought Sarah and Ollie worked great.

Then she died.

So, yeah.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Yeah, this season... has been on the way down since Ollie got stabbed. Flash is picking up with CRAZY rear end TIME TRAVEL and Arrow is actively going backwards through its history.

I don't want Ersatz Batman. I want Ollie. I want the guy with the dumb van dyke and green hat making pithy commentary with his superheroine girlfriend and then calling Batman an rear end in a top hat. If he doesn't start buckling some swashes soon, I may have to move on :smith:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
You know people can not like where shows are currently while hoping and even expecting them to get better, right?

Eesh. This thread sometimes. :rolleyes:

With that being said, I've been pretty harsh on the back half of this season, and I'm still hype as gently caress for a Cupid/Deadshot Suicide Squad episode. :allears:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
DC editorial/upper management has always been a shitshow---especially in the last two years or so. :smith:

On the other hand, this is the first episode where Ollie stops being Dickhead Replacement Batman and starts acting like the goddamn Green Arrow. Now that we're finally past the Felicity thing, maybe we can get on to him and Laurel getting together and finally get the train out of Angst Town.

Though probably not before Captain Lance dies :smith:


DC: :smith:, the Franchise

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Still, the scene with Ollie and Ray went down exactly as expected and was hilarious.


:smug: Ha ha! Looks like I have you now!

t:mad: gently caress you, junior. You ain't got poo poo on me.

:smith:

t:mad: And stop being a dick to your goddamn girlfriend! Seriously!

:smith: ...yeah okay.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

boom boom boom posted:

In a shocking mid-season break, Barry Allen gets absorbed into the Speed Force! The show resumes as the Vibe & Killer Frost Science Hour, and Barry is never mentioned again.

They'll make the hero of the show Firestorm but keep calling it The Flash.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
I really liked this episode. Slowly but surely, Ollie's going from "dimestore Batman" to Green Arrow.

I hope Roy's stunt is what causes him to start getting called Green Arrow ("What, the guy in red is the arrow now? Should we call you the Green Arrow or something?") and that he hates every minute of it. :allears:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Valeyard posted:

Black Driver rides again

In all seriousness Freelancer (his Suicide Squad handle) would be a badass superhero name for Diggle.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Rocksicles posted:

Everybody sucked in that arc... it was a talent blackhole.

I liked Helena. If they wouldn't have been idiots and made her a full-on villain instead of a brutal vigilante then she could've gone places. :smith:

Put her on the goddamn Suicide Squad already to let her work off her sentence, christ

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Hollismason posted:

Yeah that's been a big gripe of mine is when are we going to get the entire reason I like Green Arrow on the show, that he's a militant super liberal.

I maintain he's getting more and more Ollie as time goes by. He started as "dark murder vigilante" and is now at "Okay this has all gone terribly wrong, I'm turning myself in for the good of everyone." If and when we get this Ra's plot wrapped up and he firmly tells the League of Assassins to go gently caress themselves, I'm hoping it leads to an epiphany and we can finally get socialist beard-wearing changes-costumes-in-his-Prius dates-Black-Canary Ollie.

Also in the meantime, make Laurel figure out how to drive a bike. I mean, we're already on our way towards "master martial artist" thanks to Nyssa, we need to pick up the pace here.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Oh my goodness someone went and filmed a live action video game. :allears:



The bad news is that it chewed up the budget for effects the rest of season, they'll be using bionic man style slowdowns for Flash from now on :smith:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
At first I was all "Speedy :smith:" but now we're going to do hilarious Lazarus Pit hijinx and that's going to be loving fantastic. I hope they devise a horrifically complex Ocean's Eleven scheme that ends up sneaking Thea in, resurrecting her, and sneaking her out with Ra's ever knowing.

Bonus points if it involves Oliver keeping him busy with a fight long enough to do it, having Oliver winning enough for Ra's to surrender and wait to be killed, then being all "peace out bitches" and escaping.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Selachian posted:

Loved it at the end when they were closing Deathbolt in the Pipeline and Ray was all, "uh, how do these guys eat?"

Even better was the huge pause afterwards from Cisco, like he was getting ready to say ".... uh oh."

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Oh man I completely forgot about Merlyn. Maybe uniting Ollie and Merlyn in pissed off gonna gently caress you up mode wasn't the best of ideas.

I mean I know he's trying to get Ollie to kill him and take his place, but drat son, you just brought the entire team down on your head.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

THAT'S NOT HER NAME!!

...

Whoops wrong thread

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
I've figured out how Oliver can get out of this:

  • Go to Navra Whatever
  • Engage Ra's in a fight while the rest of the team sneaks Thea to the pit and dumps her in
  • Beat Ra's enough for him to surrender, because c'mon, of course that's going to happen
  • "I accept the mantle of Ra's Al Ghul!"
  • Ra's: :neckbeard:
  • "For my first act, I disband the League of Assassins and relinquish the title to my predecessor."
  • Ra's: :staredog:
  • "Action Ollie AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY" *arrow grappling hooks out*

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Aphrodite posted:

He's a League member I think.

Yeah. The first Golden(?) Age version of the character, he was a jerk who couldn't deal with being out-archered by Ollie and started committing crimes because gently caress the Green Arrow that's why. After the Silver Age reimaging, he was a League member.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Arsenal and the Guys DC Haven't Embargo'd Yet

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Krad posted:

I thought Thea's fight was pretty okay for what it was. Then I kept wondering why she didn't just jump out of the window like last time.

It's thematically consistent. She's said over and over she wouldn't run from Ra's or the league. She took that all the way to her (first) grave.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Can we back up and talk about Supergil because that's a pretty awesome typo.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

WarLocke posted:

Supergrill, George Foreman after being doused in radioactive grease

gently caress Steel, this is where it's at. Get on it, DC.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Welp that was stupid!

In a twist of epic proportions, Barry's time chicanery is going to actually benefit everyone for once.

Except Caitlin.

Poor Caitlin :smith:

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Seriously not to belabor the point (:haw:) but Arrow better close out with one hell of a season finale or I'm out. The writing's been in a freefall since Ollie's death and they've singlehandedly made one of the coolest characters on the show almost as insufferable as Iris from The Flash.

Maybe Ollie's first assignment as an assassin will be to hunt down and murder the writers :smith:

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Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Can we ship Laurel to Flash? Or AoS? Or AoU? Or something?

I've gotten really fond of her. She's the one character that's gone through a permanent growth curve, going from hilariously incompetent to a badass superheroine, and I don't want that to be wasted. :smith:

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