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anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Joementum posted:

Well, gently caress. Rand Paul is going to be the nominee.

http://www.dickmorris.com/rand-paul-cant-win/

i have money on rand paul because im kind of dumb and like gambling so this bodes well for me

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anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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it seems to have a lot of marginal value in a lot of instances: she takes money from other candidates that might announce first. theres no conversation between two mid tier candidates, instead they both get compared to hillary during announcement. lets her steal the show from all of the Rs announcing right now.

but in reality its not going to do much o anything really. might a well do it now i guess.

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Jun 27, 2008

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Chamale posted:

I really want to deface one of Rand's bumper magnets into "DEFEAT THE WASHING MACHINE" and slap it on my washer, but I also don't want to give Rand Paul any money.

its okay you're basically giving him pennies compared to what the superpacs will be working with

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Jun 27, 2008

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mdemone posted:

But that won't work either. Can you really envision even the barest outline of a feasible process that would establish a third major political party in an FPTP system? I sure as hell can't.

Look guys, I'm a communist too. But if you want a third party option, you have to tear down FPTP, it cannot happen otherwise. Now if you want to do that, I will support the hell out of such an effort, but do be aware that you'd be an insect flying toward the windshield of the entire political power structure of both parties.

as a third party you dont eliminate another party politically, you take over an existing party by making them adopt your agenda by showing it gets voted in. thats why you focus on the local level first.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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i am a literal crazy person who thinks rand paul will win the r nomination

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Vladimir Putin posted:

Who wears sunglasses indoors though.

people with vision issues

commonly overlaps with "old people"

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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the biggest advantage christie has nationally is he could turn nj

so running dem would kind of uh, nullify that since its a guarantee at that point

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Nessus posted:

No we hate him too.

i live here.

i said "could".

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Mister Bates posted:

Nobody would be saying word one about her age if she had a dick. I actively despise Hillary and even I think it's a completely ridiculous complaint, especially considering a lot of the other potential candidates are around the same age and some of them are even older.

not only that she is statistically more likely to live longer than any other candidate

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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werent pacs literally just posting "encrypted" poll numbers on nobody twitter accounts for campaigns to read and vice versa?

haha check out this gibberish only one person knows where to check hahaha haha hah...

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Fried Chicken posted:

Not encrypted, just stripped of context, but yeah. Transparently flouting the law, like siblings playing "I'm not touching you" to pick a fight

they used weird shorthand that was a bit difficult to decipher is what i meant by "encrypted" but yeah.

lol.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Joementum posted:

Bernie's basically where a member of a European Labour party is, politically, which makes him Stalin in the US.

One of his big political efforts is expanding dental care for Medicare and Medicaid patients. It's a great goal, but not exactly smashing the state, ya know?

if he could run on a national platform with real money on "teeth for the olds" hed probably win tbh

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Vladimir Putin posted:

Does anybody think that Sanders genuinely would want to be president ? He's obviously running to influence Clinton. That kind of stinks from a 'good faith' perspective.

hes going to use it as a platform for progressive ideas which is totally fine and worth it

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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John Dough posted:

If Hillary takes the presidency, the Republicans don't really have a choice other than move to the center, do they? It's either that or be marginalized forever.

please source your quotes from 2012

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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everyone knows who hillary which is why those results are going up for bernie

Neeksy posted:

This is pretty close to how I think, but with Hillary maintaining the ACA instead of expanding Medicare to those who want it. It would be nice, but given the power of her donor base, it's not likely she'd go that far.

are insurance companies donating to her or just banks

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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site posted:

Maybe the DNC asked Bernie to run as a foil to Hillary so that she can "organically" evolve to more leftward positions without looking like an out-and-out flip flopper.

no bernie sanders is running for president because he believes he can improve the country in some tangible way and thats it

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Jun 27, 2008

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Under the vegetable posted:

Bernie has a significant chance to win the nomination and presidency. This reminds me of when people thought Obama had no chance, when anyone with eyes and a brain knew he was the next POTUS the second he entered the race.

bernie has one thousandth the charm or charisma campaign obama had.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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bernie supports guns because like 90% of his state hunts animals

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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mmm thats some high quality empty speech

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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to put that in perspective he bought about 1.5k in food a month in groceries. not eating out. regular rear end groceries.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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its almost like humor is subjective

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Sir Tonk posted:

Yeah this is some multi-dimension chess stuff. Rubio is going to show how he pays so much more in taxes than Clinton :qq:

"you're right, my tax rate should be higher"

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Dolash posted:

I had a philosophy professor who'd always weigh in whenever anyone used the word liberal to remind us that the Liberal tradition coming out of the enlightenment encapsulates the entire continuum of American politics, meaning both sides are effectively "Liberals" because they still adhere to concepts like individual rights-based systems of governance, the social contract, private property, market-driven economics and so on. The actual ideological opponents to liberalism, like Socialism, Communism, Fascism and so on are only really present as influences.

He was a lot of fun at parties.

i had one that defended going into iraq in the year 2008 and that gwb was literally the best president in recent history

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Dolash posted:

I don't mean they'd actually go soft on her, just that they'd definitely complain about getting flack for being aggressive to a woman - it's usually a safe bet to assume Republicans will complain about imagined persecution. And certainly, if they have to excuse a debate performance where their guy gets pushed on his back foot they'll claim he was fighting with one arm tied behind his back.

the actual frontrunner wont complain about this but fox news/any other dudes still enjoying face time certainly will

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Gorelab posted:

Even until semi-recently I think CNN tried to be in the center but eventually decided to go Fox Lite after falling behind them and MSNBC in ratings.

msnbc has consistently lower ratings than cnn though?

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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GoutPatrol posted:

Polygamy: Its catching on!

cloning and polygamy jumped at the same time, clearly this is paving the road for open relationships with clones or your partner

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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thats just going to help him lol

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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real question, what kind of numbers are other candidates pulling for this sort of thing, or they all fundraising instead of attending local things?

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Jun 27, 2008

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Raskolnikov38 posted:

Martin's tack of hitting Hillary from left hilariously is probably going to benefit Bernie more than him. Bernie can plod on with his no negative ads campaign while O'Malley hits Hillary.

seriously if bernie makes it far theres going to be a riot around him and hes gonna be the only person without a baseball bat or a brick

any money or dnc resources that revolve around bernie are going to do all the negative stuff for him.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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Zikan posted:

I don't think any number of image consultants can save a guy who thinks



is a great selfie.

please be the image they use in attack ads please be the image they use in attack ads

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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i think shes not holding large events purposefully so she can overprepare for them tbh

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Jun 27, 2008

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Skwirl posted:

Why would Romney want to be Secretary of State? Did he get bit by the international relations bug back when he was involved with the Salt Lake City Olympics?

he wants to run for president again.

if he cleans up his weakest points (comes across as a zillionaire cyborg with lovely foreign policy ideas) by at least fixing the cyborg and foreign policy part with a good top of the resume position, he could swing a run again.

like, he was a pretty meh candidate by all means, but if he had a good, fresh memory and loosened up a little, he could make a pretty solid run again imo

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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have a poll

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/walker-bush-rubio-lead-gop-field-clinton-still-dominant.html

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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hillary, by all accounts, is pretty loving left, just she has to account for the political system which chains her pretty Actual Views. she might even be trolling the corporations with her doublespeak and go "lol gently caress that" when she gets in office.

she is actually holds Pretty Good Views, but those come after her legacy and corporate interests that she feels are necessary for her to get elected.

she wont give the finger to the banks, but that would be funny if all of her word twisting was her not trying to piss them off, and not people. again, not happening, but lol at the idea i guess

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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bernie is the ned stark of politics

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Jun 27, 2008

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Voyager I posted:

Then attack her beliefs and not her loving marriage you utter twit.

i think the point is shes more in position because of her marriage than her beliefs, which id argue as "true". i dont really care how we get cool people into office, just that it happens. that said, i dont particularly hate hillary for anything other than her view on banks.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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if i had a choice to vote between teaches and nintendo kid i would vote third party

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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full poll in case anyone cares

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/6_22_PollPDF.pdf

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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71% of voters do not know who bernie sanders is or are totally neutral towards him which is at least not condemning if you like him idk

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anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

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republicans have a lot of money and will use that money to win local elections and prevent democrats from doing things just like theyve been doing for a while

until gerrymandering is addressed, the republicans can still pretty much deadlock and drag democrats down with them.

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