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swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Cameron and Key are basically identical but Abbot is pretty uniquely terrible and even a lot of the right in Australia seem to be sick of that man-ape already. Not super knowledgeable about Harper but from what I hear he is a Bad Man

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swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
I think I've found the New Zealand version of those sovereign citizen guys, wanna see the full transcript of this so bad.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/65066168/man-with-no-name-causes-drama-in-court

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
I prefer my racist professional muck rakers to be punched in the face in more informal natural settings ie michael laws

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
John Key should have just brought out some of those famous NZ artists who love the right wing as a counter balance

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SoCRAswbNA

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
No one in new zealand even knows what the gently caress neo liberal means

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
It is a time honoured Waitangi Day tradition for right wingers to have poo poo flung at them and it would be frankly disrespectful of John Key not to

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
I actually live at 3 Someone Kill John Key This Year Please and Barry, who lives next door, is a just good bloke trying to do his taxes who got caught up in a deplorable media circus

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmxHRsD48L0

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Smithersnz posted:

And then Linda Cooper, councilwoman:



Haha amazing

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Exclamation Marx posted:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/66654891/mp-stood-down-as-mother-faces-benefit-fraud-charges
Looks like she'll be reinstated as soon as it's done, apparently they're not close so there shouldn't be any expectation that she knew.



If I told them once, I told them a thousand times! Deja Voodoo first, Neville Chamberlane and Andrew Little second!

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Butt Wizard posted:

More her gloating about getting rid of Paula Bennett and then losing the final recount which I guess was more funny than anything else.

I don't take notice of people getting thrown out of parliament unless it's Winston tbh.

Winston getting kicked out of parliament on the reg is practically in the unwritten rules by now

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
John Key looking very old and red there

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Act normal but wear that Jesus is a oval office shirt and make sure to be in as many pictures as possible with him

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Exclamation Marx posted:

all of nz's islands are bad imo


Everything Hager says is a lie, but also of course we were doing it how is this even news???

Judith who?

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Yeah it is kind of easy to occasionally get drawn in by Winston's constant trolling of National and populist rallying but they're easily the most openly racist party in parliament and the only one to undividedly vote against gay marriage

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
New Zealand should be a trail blazer of socialist policy like it was in the old days, only with a more modern bent of excluding racism and colonialism from the deal, instead of a testing ground for neo liberal policy and lap dog of corporations/ bigger countries as it is now imo

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Butt Wizard posted:

I dunno I'm sure it's probably capable to do both provided you're not obsessed with the 'steady as she goes' approach of never actually changing anything.

I really don't think so, also if there's one thing that makes New Zealand New Zealand it's changing enormously very quickly due to very few limits placed upon the ruling party of the day to enact whatever changes they want

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

WarpedNaba posted:

Oh right, I forgot about our golden years.

So where would we start? Repeal the unpaid lunches/internships, have full disclosures on political donations, increase employee power vs employer power, reduce or even outright scrap our regressive taxes (Lookin' at you, GST) and implementing a far more outreaching income/NPBT tax policy?

Those would all be a drat good start really, also universal benefits and perhaps even true natural rights to shelter, food and comfort for purposes of decommodification (this one is pipe dream territory)

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Butt Wizard posted:

I am fully on board with outlawing unpaid internships & full donation disclosure. That stuff is easily articulated and easily changed.

Broad concepts like 'increase employee power' isn't quite as straight forward.


I largely disagree with this, we're in the third term of a National Government and we still have WFF, Interest Free Student Loans and all the other poo poo they raged about in opposition like PPL. Labour, despite all their moaning about the 1984 reforms, never repealed a single one of them, and so on. It's technically possible but it's not really something that happens on a hugely regular basis and on a meaningful scale.

MMP has done a bit to curtail it (btw the reason we even have MMP is because it is amazingly easy to change major parts of the New Zealand system) but the elimination of the upper house in 1950 and lack of an official written constitution makes New Zealand uniquely susceptible to rapid change. I agree the National government hasn't made as much of a truly radical a change as we experienced in say the 80s but the actual fundamental parts of our society aren't particularly guarded against a popular enough party who wants to make such changes. You just need the votes really.

swampland fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Mar 5, 2015

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Butt Wizard posted:

Yea the fact parliamentary sovereignty exists as a thing doesn't make sudden rapid change a thing in this country, even if it is possible. In the last 40 years there's been maybe three really big sets of reform that would fall into that category and they were mostly ages ago. I wouldn't consider it a characteristic of modern Government in this country at all.

When does modern government begin exactly in your view?

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Okay, I guess I'm talking about the more general trend of radical shifts in literally the whole way that politics in NZ is conducted, of which the introduction of MMP is included. The last enormous one prior to that, I agree, was in the Douglas era of embracing neoliberalism and since then the governments have basically been either extensions of it or softeners of its effects while still embracing core principles. That does not mean that New Zealand government outside of this narrow scope has not been defined by exceptionally rapid changes due to the reasons I outlined earlier, and, aside from the MMP system, nothing stops it from doing so again. Just because National haven't made as many changes as they could doesn't mean it can't happen.

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Slavvy posted:

Everything about the australian system reeks of something that works brilliantly in theory but breaks down badly when dumbfuckery gets factored in.

Just like communism :smuggo:

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
So there was a white pride march in Wellington today of about 6 to 10 people lol

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
There were pretty heavy rumors going around he was having an affair around election time

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
There's only one way out of a recession and that's more cricket, we need to play more and harder, non-stop cricket, wear Brendon McCullum's hands to the bone, for the greater good we must not stop the cricket for any reason

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Uh oh guys I think atlas just shrugged

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/67508626/rebuild-man-victor-cattermole-to-quit-nz

quote:

After being questioned about his latest business ventures, Cattermole said: "Screw NZ."

"I'm going to pack up all my business and I'll move away. I'm not going to invest any more time, money, create any jobs or invest in this country. I've had a gutsful of people like you."

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Sitting in my room wearing a ski jacket

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

dusty posted:

:wtc:

Ready your gifs of Key touching children's hair

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Seriously, I mean I don't like John Key but I never took him to be this tone deaf to basic human interaction. It really seems like something that Abbott would be more likely to do.

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
If she hasn't deleted those facebook posts she mentioned posting on the John Key and National Party pages it's going to be really easy for people to find out who she is

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
this madmans unquenchable lust for pony tails can not be contained

swampland fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Apr 22, 2015

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Getting a lot of why is the media going on about this when there are far more (unspecified) important things to cover on facebook this morning

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Somfin posted:

So Glucina takes a bullet for Key and suddenly this isn't a discussion about abuse of power, it's really about ethics in journalism journalism.

E: Just watch, the real discussion will be about Glucina, her role in all of this, how the media should treat potential victims. Every reporter in the New Zealand is theoretically an expert on reporting and journalism (for the purposes of their stories), so they'll fall all over themselves calling up Media Studies professors and seeking comment from each other. The sexual harassment case against Key gets quietly settled and by the time the dust clears the only villain will be that evil woman who pretended to be in PR.

I call bullshit, why would Glucina purposely sabotage herself for Key? I could understand if we were talking about smearing others for him, but the idea she purposely did a shady news item on this somehow knowing that the waitress would post a preemptive story detailing said shadiness is just absurd.

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
Jesus christ stuff commentators

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
What exactly happened?

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
This could be interesting

https://medium.com/@benrachinger

quote:

Mr Slaters blog is called “Whale Oil Beef Hooked” (https://www.whaleoil.co.nz). It has recently won the Canon “Best Blog” award alongside other awards for “Best Blog”, even subsequent to “Dirty Politics” being published. Many sane and rational people have asked the question: How bad is it behind the veil? Who is doing what? How high does it go?

This is what I will be covering in a series of blog posts here. I came as close as it is possible to come to these “Dirty Politics” operators and have rigourously documented every single conversation, email and Threema (Swiss encrypted messaging platform used by spooks, politicians and journalists) messages.

Today, you will see what happens behind closed doors, in encrypted messages, in bars and park benches. You will make your own mind up about my motives. You won’t be able to ignore the evidence.

swampland fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Apr 30, 2015

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
No doubt, but some good dirt might come out of it

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

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Infotainment! posted:

I get it. I know it happened. What I am trying and failing to get across is that all the events which followed can be traced back to that one. That over the course of history that particular event influenced everything else and without it there's a good chance the British Empire would still exist.

Nah I'm pretty sure World War 2 would have still happened regardless of America being a colony or not

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swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

lol I'd vote for this

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