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Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I always think that poo poo is nuts but I'm just one guy.

Personally my parents loved foreign and old movies — I actually didn't see most of the normal kid stuff with the exception of Star Wars.

I think it's a good family-time opportunity to mould a little cultured kid.

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Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

TychoCelchuuu posted:

Counterpoint: it is my least favorite Anderson movie.

Middlepoint: neither my favorite nor my least favorite.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Downright pornographic. Jamie Foxx in this scene is probably the most homoerotic thing I've ever seen in a war movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubWikbzBcTE

100% obsessed sex and smut and blue balls, waiting in line to gently caress the enemy, not being able to gently caress so you start thinking about loving the guy in the bunk over, and all that. 100% a glorification of war because the absolute worst thing about the experience is that Swofford does not get to shoot anybody.


A lot of modern war movies self-consciously refer to both movies as flattering to American troops. Jarhead has an even more direct reference with the Staff Sargeant referring to JFK's kill shot as one of the most beautiful achievements a Marine has ever accomplished. Generation Kill essentially ends with the disillusioned Marines watching a slick movie trailer about kicking the poo poo out of Saddam's army.

I like your sex analysis of the movie, but I think you're misusing the word glorification. It doesn't make the act of soldiering admirable, nor praiseworthy.

I would say that it shows soldiering as fun and exciting in a juvenile way. But that's distinct from a war movie ennobling war itself — it's "fun," but to me a big part of jarhead is to make explicit that those two things ("fun" and "horrible") aren't mutually exclusive, and rather than avoid talking about that link we instead recognize that it's a huge draw for young men.

It makes me think of Restrepo — Sebastian Junger especially seemed to find the idea of war as the last proving ground of American masculinity a very compelling idea. I think he's confusing cause and effect, but it's likely I'm misunderstanding his argument.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
Military ideology also has a timeless appeal of purity. Martial prowess and noble execution of duty trump the politics of war. So all war movies have this natural tension where they can be accurate in displaying the thrill and fulfillment of the grunt's POV but come across as uncritical of war broadly — and it's very hard to capture both and still feel like a cohesive, interesting movie. There's many ways to approach war in cinema, so I don't mean to be too reductionist, but modern American war cinema seems to love playing this dichotomy in order to elicit sympathy for front-line soldiers.

Full Metal Jacket captures a specific time where the US had the draft, which doesn't apply to Jarhead, but both try in their own way to ask why Americans are drawn to military service. I guess if your uncle with delirium tremens is going "Hooah!" whenever animal mother kills a civilian that's creepy, but they're probably just relating to the extreme camaraderie and terrifying focus that being an infantryman requires.

Edit: Also Hundu your four-point summary of white female aspiration made me lol

Cocoa Ninja fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jul 30, 2015

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

That Works posted:

If you want to make an effective antiwar film then you at least have to kill off all of your main characters throughout the story to have any hope of bringing the point home these days.

Counterpoint: scarface. That guy ends up face down in a pool under a sign that says "do you see the tragic, obvious conclusion of this character's struggle?" and gangsters still love it.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Turambar posted:

I see that Netflix just added 11 seasons of NCIS. It's like bubblegum for your eyes. Nothing too challenging, and there's a nice group dynamic. Just like Leverage.

I have this theory that the show is actually just an overlong PSA on workplace harassment and anger management issues. The amount of abuse that Gibbs directs at his underlings is hilarious.

Since we'd never believe a guy over 50 using a computer for anything, most of Mark Harmon's scenes are to storm into the situation room, angrily say, IVE ALREADY FIGURED IT OUT IDIOTS and storm out, expecting them to follow.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Dirk Squarejaw posted:

Currently watching Three Kings after sitting in my queue for months after a few mentions of it in this thread. Really like it so far and wish I'd watched it sooner.

Same here, finally saw it last week.

I thought it fell apart in the late second and third act when it became about saving the refugees. It had a nice, nihilistic spirit up until that point and I wish it had gone further with it. The torture scene was standout, I wish the whole back half of the movie had been more about them dealing with the consequences of poo poo hitting the fan.

I was so ready to give it five or four stars and then those last twenty minutes were an eternity. So boring.

Edit: also I think logistic earth is right, I disliked hurt locker on first viewing since I think it was misrepresented as some searing portrait of the war in Iraq. Lowered expectations on a second watch it's fine.

Cocoa Ninja fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Aug 10, 2015

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
I would highly recommend the Retrieval. Set in 1864 at the outskirts of the American civil war, an African American boy and his uncle are hired by a bounty hunter to find an escaped slave working for the Union army and bring him back south.

Warning : You have to give it 10-20 minutes to settle into the look (at least 10 minutes to get the full setup) -- between the production design and the sets, sometimes the seams show that it's a low-budget movie. There's one "action" sequence in particular that doesn't quite come together.

BUT. The acting is wall to wall excellent, the writing is very good and given the perfect amount of breathing room -- defied my low expectations at every turn. A wonderfully simple narrative where not a scene nor interaction is wasted. I really recommend it.

Edit: OH and last thing. The movie smartly plays on the outskirts of the civil war setting for budget reasons, but the result has vibes of The Road or the walking dead as far as apocalyptic setting. Which I liked.

Cocoa Ninja fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Aug 10, 2015

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
The Hurt Locker

I'm not one of those people who would complain in a military movie about "Oh, the badge is on the wrong arm!" or "Those red dot sights weren't available until 2007, not 2006..."

But the way they depict EOD jobs seems to be fundamentally different from real life — the real guys almost never suit up, you almost always use the robot, you're always trying to avoid the blast radius. So when the premise of the movie is that Renner's so good at his job precisely because he throws caution to the wind...first time I saw it it just rubbed me the wrong way.

But perhaps on a rewatch I will see it's all a metaphor for how we dealt with the war oooooooooo spooky :ghost:

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

the important thing to keep in mind is that while Renner's character is "good at his job" in the sense that he is successful at defusing bombs, he's so crazy and reckless that the other guys on his EOD team seriously consider fragging him.

He's a reckless EOD tech....who GETS RESULTS.

This fall on FOX

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
Hidden Fortress / Star Wars a new hope!

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

precision posted:

Dude I literally just said that two posts above you.

Great minds think alike :keke:

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
I just did a Gene Hackman double feature of the Conversation and The French Connection, both on Netflix instant!

It's a great contrast in performance, setting (SF vs NY), and 70s paranoia vs 70s grittiness. French connection is my favorite of the two but again, nice contrast.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
I saw Drive Angry on blu ray 3D -- someone told me I HAD to see in 3D the scene where he gets in a gunfight while mid coitus with a prostitute.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

wafflesnsegways posted:

I've heard that Samuel L Jackson doesn't even read the scripts he's offered. He just looks at the offers that line up with his schedule and takes the one that pays the best.

I'm super curious how he plays on stage -- isn't he in some Broadway stuff?

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
I watch Bourdain because I like seeing him talk to locals and go to places other travel shows probably wouldn't (the DRC! Lebanon during the Israeli invasion! Gaza strip!)

He's mellowed quite a bit in his age and is willing to enjoy almost any food if it's served at the right time. I think the episode where he tries to induce heart attack by eating with the two French Canadian chefs was quite amusing, or how he goes to Tokyo and hangs with a world-class sushi chef and goes to weird shows.

Between Parts Unknown and David Cheng's mind of a chef I think they're nice brain-off watches, and way less annoying than, say, VICE's MUNCHIES hipster crap.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

kuddles posted:

I just started watching the second season of Bojack Horseman, and I haven't gotten around to Bloodlines yet. It feels like a new "Netflix Original Series" drops every two weeks now.

Right?? loving no advertising. I just saw a single banner ad today. I have to think they're playing some brilliant advertising move to NOT spend money and worry less about building buzz before every show and getting a following.

They'll just let people find this mysterious back catalogue they have to recommend to their friends. And honestly it's the way I watch TV as well.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Franchescanado posted:

Does anyone else think Rescuers Down Under is better than The Rescuers, or am I alone?

Rescuers down under 4 Lyfe.

"Albatross, albatross...ALBATROSS?!?"

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Wiggles Von Huggins posted:

I have a (probably incorrect and/or oversimplified) Netflix theory. Traditionally, older people (boomers, whatever) watch crummy tv shows and episodic content more than films. As Netflix got more popular and more people started watching the episodic content available instead of the loads of films, some nerds at Netflix realized that they would make more money trying to be a watered down HBO and buying the rights to less movies. I'm the kind of viewer who watches as many movies as I do traditional tv type programs so I feel I am going to suffer. I don't mind Netflix making more content like they have, but I hope they continue to offer a decent selection of movies too.

If the most important thing to you is catalogue selection then you should really consider DVD / Blu-ray rental. It jacks the price way up but there's a reason a few million people still subscribe — it's the best video store ever. If you're watching a movie every night / every other day it's still an amazing value compared to cable.

Second, you're correct — something like 80% of all streaming activity is television, not movies. While they may have algorithm nerds working for them, it's a complete business decision to become a content provider, not some lark. Being a middleman means you're always fighting for an increasingly expensive slice of pie, and their costs have gone up much faster than even their fast-growing subscriber base. Add into that the clusterfuck of international rights (look at how much we chat about VPNs to get Netflix Norway or whatever) and you can understand the simple economics of making your own perpetually exclusive content.

Having your name be synonymous with streaming movies is great, but is an advantage that won't last the way that having HBO's catalogue would.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Chichevache posted:

Did you consider that the ending may all have been a dream for Cruise? He gets locked in one of those tombs that cause you to hallucinate, right? I haven't watched the movie in years, but that was my take on it. Still not totally original, but a bit more intelligent than I expected.

I'm trying to remember, is that similar to the ending of AI?

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
So it's "The Happening" with animals?

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Oh no! Now a month of Netflix is almost 3/4 of a non-3D movie ticket.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
Hot fuzz does do a triple-cut-film-fade effect which goes about 15% too over the top in the action sequences. But I love the movie.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
-Well THEY murdered Bill Shakespeare!

-WHAT, WHO?!...oh.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Raskolnikov2089 posted:

Is there anything worth watching on Showtime aside from shameless?

Definitely penny dreadful.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
Two equally important things.

One, Carrie-Anne moss says she didn't work much the last few years because she wanted to take time off to raise her kids, and she's got mad Matrix money.

Two, you guys weren't kidding. The Guest totally shits the bed for act 3. Taut, exaggerated thriller with horror movie tropes is much more interesting than on-the-nose slasher and action movie send-up.

Oh well. But at least I have new workout inspiration from Matthew Crawley's lean-jacked look. #fitnessgoals

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

HBOGO has Mad Max: Fury Road if you somehow are on this forum and haven't seen it yet.

I am that one person! Thank you, HBO Go. Very fun.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

InterrupterJones posted:

I just remembered that We Need To Talk About Kevin was released on Netflix on the first of the year. It was probably already mentioned earlier, but I finally got around to watching it today. drat...if you haven't seen it and want to watch a movie about as dark as a cup of french roast, go watch it.

Nice! Thanks for this.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

morestuff posted:

It was on HBO GO last I looked.

Edit: looks like its cycled out. Not even available for rental on the major sites.

World of Tomorrow is on Netflix. It is great.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Sarchasm posted:

Edge of Tomorrow and World of Tomorrow are very, very different films.

They are! And I only realized my mix-up after I posted.

Buuuuut they have some slight thematic similarities, so let's pretend it was a next-level alternate suggestion.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Chichevache posted:

I think it is a parody and the first four episodes are some of the funniest TV I've watched, ever. I unironically recommend this show. It is highly entertaining.

Not joking, just curious because I've never seen the show— given this, what do you make of Viola Davis's win for best actress? I can't imagine people who follow the show see it as an actress playing a straight role in a parody of the real world and that becomes biting artistic satire. She must just be fun to watch.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

mrfreeze posted:

Any recommendations for anything similar in tone to "It's a Beautiful Day"? Need something good that will make me laugh while wanting to cry and hang myself at the same time.

World of Tomorrow! ;) It's not as serious, though.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Accident Underwater posted:

Simpsons and It's Always Sunny are enough content to make FXX worthwhile.

And now Archer.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Accident Underwater posted:

Sure.

Julian (Gosling's character) and his brother Billy run a fighting club, which serves as a front for their drug ring. Billy, early on in the film, rapes and murders and underage prostitute, whose father, Choi, later kills Billy. As punishment for Choi allowing his daughter to become a prostitute, Chang, the man who is basically God in this movie, cuts off Choi's hand. Chang serves to maintain balance among the seediness of Bangkok.

We also learn shortly thereafter about Julian's incredibly warped sexuality, which we later gather is caused by his mother. In between insults about Julian's penis, Julian's mother demands that he seek revenge for the death of Billy. Julian finds Billy to be the one at fault, considering the death justified, and allows Billy's murderer to live. However, he is later pressured by his mother to continue to seek justice/revenge for the family, and only then can they return home to America. Julian's mother arranges for a hit on Chang, which fails. While seeking information about his attempted murder, Chang murders a friend of Julian and Billy's, which prompts Julian to challenge Chang to a fist fight in what is 100% the best scene in the movie.


I think that gets the gist across, while leaving some surprises in there to be found. I think if you liked Valhalla Rising you'll find plenty to enjoy in this.

I would consider this very spoilerish.

All you need to know is the whole thing is about Gosling's relationship with his mother and how that affects his life. Something happened in the US that brought him to Thailand, and the way Gosling relates to his girlfriend, his brother's indiscretions and the police chief all reflect his own sense of guilt or karmic punishment for things in his past.

The movie didn't do much for me because Gosling took the impenetrable stare of Drive and turned it up to autistic. I wonder what another actor might've done.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Fury's the only performance of his I haven't liked, it just felt too broad. Then again I never really got on that movie's wavelength.

He's killer in Wolf of Wall Street, and I like that he showed he could do more than just macho dudes in Show Me a Hero.

He has a funny bit part in "Me, Earl and the Dying Girl" as a muscled-up version of the stand-and-deliver inspirational teacher.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007
You probably enjoyed the realism of the "muscle" and "fat" meters in GTA: San Andreas, didn't you?

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Mash posted:

I watched Bo Burnham's new special "Make Happy" on Netflix the other day, and I just haven't been able to stop thinking about it. I remember watching the guy back in like 2008 when he was still some kid in his bedroom recording funny pop/rap songs with a surprising amount of talent, and watching him go on to have his first two specials and the criminally underrated MTV series "Zach Stone Is Gonna Be Famous" (seriously if you like Bo Burnham you should check that out) and just feeling really happy for the guy.

So when I watched "Make Happy" I was just expecting more of the same, Bo's satirical take on current music, jabs at the society and some introspective stuff about what it means to be a performer. And I got that. But what I didn't expect was how loving sad it would make me. I mean don't get me wrong, the special was hilarious and easily the best performance he's ever done but it was just felt so personal and heartfelt and it's been digging at me ever since.

I almost want to post a link to a song in particular that really stuck with me but I feel like it'd be ruined without watching the whole special beforehand, instead here's one of the funny ones. So yeah, if you like stand up comedy mixed with music performed by a self-conscious, depressed young man, go and watch "Make Happy".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO4ZWiEuFB4

I agree. I hadn't heard of him before but I was impressed. It wasn't super haha funny, but was entertaining throughout. I thought I'd watch 5 minutes and turn it off, but I made it through the whole thing and then started googling the guy.

Bo's point seems to be that something ridiculous performed sincerely is as valued by society as something truly meaningful, which I think is a great point.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

BJPaskoff posted:

I hate when comedians get all sappy at the end of their specials. I watch stand-up comedy to escape life for a little while and laugh, I didn't want to be dragged down at the end of Make Happy no matter how much I respect the point he was trying to make.

Edit: I also find his "I hate you, the audience" schtick really tiring and I was sad to see him double down on it in this special. If he wasn't so loving hilarious I wouldn't recommend him to people.

"I'll bet you're probably thinking, how the HELL is he going to dig himself out of this hole?"

His set really stuck in my head. I think it's a clever way to distinguish himself as a comedian with a point of view.

His entire existence as a teen youtube star has been performing for people of the internet generation that he doesn't know, so it seems natural to me that his stand-up set revolves around the anxiety and tight-rope act of performance. I kept waiting for it to read false but I think he genuinely feels this way.

Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

Timby posted:

That was the idea that Roddenberry pitched for Treks II, IV and V -- that the Enterprise crew went back to November 1963 to stop the Kennedy assassination, and it ended with Spock firing from the grassy knoll.

With Spock played by male model James Franco?

Zoolander 2 should've pulled a Star Trek 4.

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Cocoa Ninja
Mar 3, 2007

No Pants posted:

It has some good parts, like Eva Green being weird. I perceived a pretty big drop in quality in the second season, though.

I think the second season villain was way cooler. And it had a better balance of elements...at least that's my memory of it. And it leans even more into Eva Green.

Edit: But the point is, I agree, people should watch it. I love the universe it creates.

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