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Rah! posted:the current police chief, Greg Suhr, was demoted years ago from deputy chief to captain, because he helped cover up an abuse scandal (some cops beat up some dudes and stole their fajitas Goddamn. I thought any kind of blemish, like an officer gets one complaint about a racist speeding ticket, and they're totally disqualified from getting promoted to command. This motherfucker gets DEMOTED and now he's the chief of police?
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Vahakyla posted:Chief of police is appointed and has often nothing to do with the organizational promoting. Ah, I see. Even still, how do the politicians that appoint someone with that in their past not take an enormous amount of poo poo for it?
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Apr 2, 2015 10:49
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Police officer gets assigned counseling because he got a photo taken with a known criminal.
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Apr 3, 2015 07:57
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Apr 3, 2015 12:12
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I'm so shocked! Far more whites than minorities approve of police hitting people
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Apr 4, 2015 08:14
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Woo boy the stones on the guy who recorded it. I would have hauled rear end as soon as I realized I'd just recorded a shooting. If he hadn't stuck around, he wouldn't have caught the guy planting the Taser, and he might have gotten off.
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mastervj posted:If this cop does not get convicted of murder, (some parts of) your coun try is gonna burn. Haha, no that's not how America works. The first time a brick gets thrown at a protest the news will be nonstop violent rioters and everyone will forget that a cop murdered a dude.
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Vahakyla posted:http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2015/04/10/cottonwood-walmart-brawl-video/25598875/ This is loving hilarious up until someone gets shot to death. Like Reno 911 levels of buffoonery.
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pentyne posted:So the guy actually had the cop's gun, was getting shots off left and right and hit an officer, and the cops still tried to take him down non-lethally until the end. It's like impossible to see what the gently caress is going on by that part of the video, but man, that melee when the cops show up. 3 vs. 5 with 2 noncops randomly going at it in the foreground.
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Apr 11, 2015 08:39
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Wouldn't want a silly little thing like a manslaughter charges ruining a vacation. Do the Bahamas extradite to the U.S.?
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Apr 22, 2015 00:45
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If I were rich enough to make bail on a charge like that, I'd just Bob Durst it. Goodbye bail money, hello Cuba.
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Apr 22, 2015 01:29
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ozmunkeh posted:The police suddenly forget their training and make oopsies when collecting evidence against other cops. Like prosecutor oopsies, this is in no way an institutional problem, it's just that sometimes people make mistakes You probably start reforming the system in the prosecutor's office, because right now they're essentially immune from legal ramifications (or any ramifications for that matter) of misconduct and rewarded for conviction rate. Radley Balko wrote a great long (looong) form piece about it. Most of the article is examples that illustrate the impossibility of holding prosecutors accountable for anything, but there are some stats on the difficulty of holding prosecutors accountable: quote:In 2003, the Center for Public Integrity looked at more than 11,000 cases involving misconduct since 1970. Among those, the center found a little over 2,012 instances in which an appeals court found the misconduct material to the conviction and overturned it. Less than 50 cases resulted in any professional sanction for the prosecutor.
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Apr 22, 2015 18:30
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tentative8e8op posted:Our sheriff said under oath that he orders investigations into his political enemies, and admitted to a judge that an investigator was sent to scrutinize the judge's wife for anything incriminating. Hasn't he been behaving like that for a decade? Isn't there some mechanism for removing unhinged people like him from office?
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LA County is buying body cameras for their officers. Buuuuuuut, they won't be releasing footage, and they have a specific rule saying officers are allowed to view the footage before making statements.chitoryu12 posted:It also very curiously fails to talk even a little about police murder. We're currently at 381 deaths directly by police or during an arrest as of April 27th. If this trend continues, it's likely that we'll see over 1200 deaths that can be potentially attributed directly to a police officer by the end of the year. Assuming the video's stated 14,000 non-police murders by the end of the year (as the FBI statistics only count criminal murder, not deaths caused by police that are deemed justified or not investigated), American police will actually be committing off-the-record killings equal to 8.5% of the national murder total. In the meantime, Norwegian police killed one person as of 2013 and were grieving like it was a national tragedy. A killing has to be found to be a murder by a jury, which tosses out the accidental deaths, self-defense killings and manslaughters. You'd want the number of homicides in a year to accurately compare the "killed by police" number. Edit: The CDC says there's about 16,000 homicides a year, but then as someone noted the Killed By Police stats include traffic accidents, so that would add the 35,000 traffic accidents from the CDC stats. So 1,200/51,000 and police are responsible for 2.35% of those kinds of deaths. That video says police are 0.22% of the population, so that's 10x what you'd expect? Probably not though because I'm sure I'm missing something. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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The officer who chased Gray down apparently had his guns taken away and spent some time chilling out at a mental ward a few years back.quote:The top Baltimore city police officer suspended following Freddie Gray's death was hospitalized in April 2012 following concerns about his mental health, according to records from a sheriff's department and court obtained by The Associated Press.
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May 1, 2015 09:04
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So there was that video of that unreported stop that the store owner said the authorities got a hold of. I wonder if there's something heinous on it in light of the charges.
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Zwabu posted:A possible scenario is that they are driving around, whether they are intending to rough Gray up with the ride or not, and at some point, probably the point where he smashed his head on the bolt and broke his neck, they hear that sickening crunch and then no more noise out of Gray. They probably go "oh gently caress" and stop to look Gray over and survey the situation, and realize he's in grave condition. The decision then becomes whether to seek immediate medical attention for the guy, or take a course of action (longer ride, picking up other prisoner etc.) likely to result in Gray's death but removing a witness against them. If something like that happened it might be very difficult to prove intent unless one cop rolled over on the others, but it might not be hard to go for a "depraved indifference" kind of scenario where you have a seriously injured man whose life is in danger who you didn't take care to promptly bring to medical attention. Well the speed of the charges made me think they must have some slam dunk evidence. I hadn't considered that one of the officers may have cut a deal to testify.
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chitoryu12 posted:I think that the prosecution mentioned having some evidence that wasn't publicly revealed, which means that they're holding onto it to make sure that nobody creates a cover for it or tries to otherwise gently caress with its introduction. I don't really see one of the officers cutting a deal, because I've never heard of this occurring and the very fact that the "sworn brotherhood" culture causes so much of the rampant power abuse in the first place. The culture of silence is strong, but it doesn't ever have to stand up to murder charges like this.
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idiotsavant posted:Dunno if it's been posted but here's another heartwarming story about cool BART cops. In one of the videos it's especially clear that she gets intentionally slammed face-first into the ground while handcuffed, so hopefully there's a big payday coming her way. Haha, everyone in the room knew how bad this one was immediately. Never seen 4 police officers wince and go "ohhhhh" simultaneously before.
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May 2, 2015 09:25
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TGLT posted:Pullum seems to agree that "subjected was verbed by actor" is a passive clause. He's right that it's not as simple as "Subject had verbed" but I do think that the construction does distance the actor from their action. It may not literally obfuscate who is the agent, but it does obfuscate their responsibility. Here's a Psychology Today thing discussing how passive voice causes people to judge the person doing poo poo more leniently. You see passive voice in stories because the only sources that get used are the police. Reporters write most crime stories using only information released by the police. If you compare crime stories to real stories, you'll see a lot of police jargon in crime stories where the reporter is copy-pasting from the police news release. The public information officer will never tell you which officer shot a dude (or they'll use the mysterious bullet-from-nowhere passive voice), so you end up with passive voice in the story. But when the police release info on a suspect, the authorities are more than happy to tell you exactly what they think happen, so you get stories where it's "Robert Smith robbed a liquor store and then pistol-whipped a baby, authorities said." I think it generally stems from laziness/being overworked rather than intentionally covering for the police. Reporters should try to find witnesses and other sources for stories besides the police, but those things are tough to dig up and they've got 3 more stories to write today. Although, most of the police reporters and city editors I know aren't real sympathetic to defendants because they spend a lot of their time hearing from police what shitbags the defendants are.
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The Mattybee posted:Hi! I work with teenagers in a residential facility. If you are so scared of a Literal Five Year Old Child that you need to have the police handle it... I dunno, those kids can kick pretty hard sometimes *tases pre-K student*
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May 5, 2015 19:30
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Morkies posted:The most elegant way to understand the recent spate of rioting is that part of the Federal government, using its proxies — which it supports through transfer payments in a variety of ways — is using proxies to diminish the authority of local police departments in order to replace them with units directly loyal to the Federal government. But how does Jade Helm 15 fit into it? Edit: also, chemtrails? PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 18:33 on May 8, 2015 |
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May 8, 2015 18:23
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GlyphGryph posted:Reading the news of various websites definitely gives the feeling a chunk of the media really really doesn't seem to like the idea these cops might be charged any more than the cops do. A lot of crime reporters spend all their time talking to police and tend to slowly adopt the idea that suspects are all inhuman scum who must be stomped out by our brave, brave officers.
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May 9, 2015 02:22
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Phone posting, but the Baltimore paper released video of the Freddie Gray arrest that seems to contradict the police narrative that Gray was fine and resisting when they put him in the van.
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May 21, 2015 22:46
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KomradeX posted:http://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/7/71/587596/judge-wont-seal-photo-cpd-cops-posing-african-american-man-antlers Cop needs a better attorney, stat quote:In his closing arguments at the police board hearing, Herbert emphasized the lack of information about where and when the photo was taken — and the mystery surrounding the African-American man’s identity.
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May 28, 2015 06:38
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John Oliver tackled the bail system last night, arguing for more pretrial services and release for people who can't afford to pay exorbitant bail amounts.
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Cichlid the Loach posted:drat, and he couldn't even have known how timely that turned out to be Maybe someone in this thread is well-versed in the history of the legal system. Is the bail system just some artifact of a time when someone could just completely disappear if you let them out awaiting trial? It's always been weird to me that there's a whole "You can just buy your way out if you've got the money," thing.
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Jun 9, 2015 01:04
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Jarmak posted:This case had nothing to do with exorbitant bail, he was denied bail after the indictment because he was on probation. I'm not talking about that case; I'm talking about the John Oliver segment I posted earlier.
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:Oh, the cop was sitting in her patrol car and just shot out from behind her window. Saves time. Don't even have to open the door, just drive right on to the next shooting. Solid police work.
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Jose posted:Is internal affairs actually a thing in the US police or is it only the major forces that have it? It seems like a video of an officer kicking the poo poo out of someone is the kind of thing they would get involved with. Snitches get stitches.
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Trabisnikof posted:I believe the correct police apologist line is: "Technically, this was all legal"
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Trabisnikof posted:Sure, but that's a wee bit different than being in Rikers for 3 years awaiting trial for a charge that was eventually dismissed: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/before-the-law Well sure a 16 year old was kept in Rikers for 3 years (2 in solitary confinement) because prosecutors used the letter of the law to violate the spirit of the law, but, I think you'll find that any attempts to fix the system would violate the prosecutors' rights to gently caress with suspects because they assume they're all guilty scum. Completely unconstitutional, these fixes. It's like you expect the system to presume people to be innocent or something. 2 years average wait in Rikers for a trial is pretty standard for criminal trials, so I don't see what all these plebes are bitching about. They should educate themselves on the law so that they understand how lucky they are to have a system that respects justice and human rights so much.
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I don't know why y'all even bother trying to engage in a policy debate here. People who work for a systemically racist system have no intention of working to implement change (even thouhgh they're the best positioned to). Either they don't see (or care about) the problem or they've been internalizing rationalizations for years. They can call this thread an outrage circle jerk, but outrage has been proving itself a pretty effective motivator in the past few years. "This injustice should end now," is a perfectly fine assertion, and politicians can hash out the details once they've been made to care by a pissed off public.
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Jul 22, 2015 01:24
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Can an autopsy determine if someone had a concussion or not? It seems pretty likely that she killed herself since the video doesn't show anyone else ever going into her cell, but it would be pretty hosed up if she had an untreated concussion for three days.
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Jul 22, 2015 09:17
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Useful Distraction posted:Hm yes, why would anybody get the idea that you're a racist, I wonder... Hahaha, I'm not sure why anybody's bothering at this point
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Jul 22, 2015 21:53
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If it makes you feel better Pohl, that was a really funny flameout.
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Jul 25, 2015 06:34
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Zwabu posted:What if the cop asked you to take off your clothes? Or go down on him? Better to live another day, right? After all he has a gun and a taser. You can beat the rap, but not the mustache ride.
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Jul 26, 2015 13:23
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StoryCorps did an animated account of a guy who almost got killed by the cops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vep6DmMvLUQ All three cops were cleared but the city paid out over $750,000. Two of the cops were later fired for lying on different police reports, one of them involving another beating. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22964319/review-clears-3-denver-police-officers-2009-beating
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Agrajag posted:Lying on their own police reports should be an automatic firing offence. One of the fired officers was later reinstated.
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Darkrenown posted:A minor point, but I am curious: Is Alex asking to see a warrant a reasonable thing, or is he just confused about the process? I would have though that this being just a traffic stop initially would mean they obviously do not have a warrant, but they might have probable cause to search the car since his friend had weed? I don't know. I suspect they didn't need a warrant once they found weed on his friend, but maybe one of the lawyers around here would know for sure.
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