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Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Volkerball posted:

You could say the same about welfare spending and public transportation if you don't use it.

What the gently caress? Lol.

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Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

When Howard Schultz was demanding a new basketball arena for the Sonics, there was a study done showing it was a net drain on the immediate neighborhood for the old one, because most people going to the game just go, then leave without spending money anywhere else, and it fucks traffic for the entire city and parking for the immediate area, so people not at the game were less likely to go out and eat or shop.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2016 05:47

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computer parts posted:

They're raising the tax for that payment.

Which just shows how hosed the priorities are of the local government.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2016 04:58

Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

What happens if the hotel tax doesn't cover the city's funding commitment? What happens if the stadium ends up costing more than projected? I'm legitimately asking because I don't know, and those are very important questions to consider.

I also live in Oakland and even though they aren't my team I'm sad to see them go, but happy not a dime of public money is going to be spent to keep them here.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2016 06:00

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Skwirl posted:

What happens if the hotel tax doesn't cover the city's funding commitment? What happens if the stadium ends up costing more than projected? I'm legitimately asking because I don't know, and those are very important questions to consider.

Do people who know more about this kinda poo poo have answers to these questions, seeing the loving tunnel disaster in Seattle has made me a lot more curious about what happens with cost overruns in public financing issues.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2016 08:27

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Zurreco posted:

It still seems insane that the Nevada Game Board Control is (allegedly) blocking all non-slots gambling from the new arena. Who goes to Vegas with the intention of not gambling, drinking, or seeing naked women?

That sounds like the nearby casinos not wanting to lose gambling business. Being next to the arena is nice if it means more guests in your hotel/casino, less nice if they never visit the casino half of your hotel/casino.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2016 09:10

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Grittybeard posted:

This is by no means complete but I found this for you. The teams have been at least partially responsible for overruns in the past, which makes me think they have probably started to write protections for that into building contracts. It also doesn't mention where the millions of dollars difference between overruns and payments in the last column is made up.

So yeah that doesn't help much at all really.

e: poo poo someone with more search savvy than I have find the second part of this article.

Yeah, both the "who paid" column not adding up to overrun column, and some massive formatting errors (under the Cleveland Indians stadium entry talks about the NBA Cavs in the "Who Paid" column) your first link is interesting but not enlightening.

Resting more and more on the side of "NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry owned by people who'd never be poor if they never made another dollar in their life, they can pay for their own loving stadiums."

# ¿ Sep 16, 2016 09:25

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Volkerball posted:

That welfare and public transportation are beneficial to the people who use them at least at some tax expense to those who don't isn't controversial. In fact, in the case of welfare, that's the entire point of the program. The point being that not every penny of taxes spent by every person is going to be spent in a way that is a direct benefit to themselves, so a stadium doesn't need to meet that criteria. Whether those programs are more or less important than a stadium is a completely separate discussion that I didn't comment on whatsoever. If someone can't read and gets so salty about it they want to throw money away, lol ok.

Welfare and public transportation benefits everyone, including people who don't use it directly. Everyone on a bus is someone not in a car, so you driving in your car has less traffic to deal with.

# ¿ Sep 18, 2016 23:48

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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

So which of y'all bought that passive-aggressive banner ad?

Wasn't me, but less of a waste of money than using public money to build a private football stadium in Las Vegas.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2016 10:37

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MechaFrogzilla posted:

I can't imagine how rough it would be for a west coast team traveling to London for a game. 1pm EST games going east are already tough enough. An eight hour time difference? Fuckk.

Speaking of which, I'm posting this at 6am on a Sunday because hooray for jet lag.

As a Seahawks fan I was super excited that we don't have any 10 am games this year, and I hope we never have to play a game in London.

# ¿ Sep 26, 2016 01:39

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Maggot Soup posted:

You play @ Jets 10:00am PST on Sunday

loving christ. How'd I miss that. My local sportsbar opens at noon.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2016 03:08

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Spoeank posted:

I mean the Niners won a ton of games for a few years and then immediately stopped when they got a new stadium so it stands to logic the opposite would be true.

Niners stopped winning games before they got a new stadium

# ¿ Oct 5, 2016 19:30

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Maggot Soup posted:

Last year in Candlestick: 12-4
First year in Levis': 8-8

Unless I'm not understanding a joke about playoffs.

I'm just a Seahawks fan mis-remembering history.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2016 23:46

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Modest Mouse cover band posted:

Correct. We do have a lot of convention space here, too though. That could be a temporary fix, but I can't imagine the logistics of taking kids potentially 20+ miles each way to the middle of Reno and somehow keeping a sane schedule.

They were talking split sessions yes. It looks like they decided on 6:00am for high schoolers. That's not hugely different from "0 period" classes I had in high school.

Of note and a plus for this stadium deal is that there are two bills on the ballot this year that would benefit schools: 1) A raise in sales tax to benefit schools. 2) The legalization of marijuana with tax proceeds going to schools (roughly $20,000,000/yr est). I believe both of these would benefit all of Nevada, but I'm not 100% sure on #1 being state wide. Marijuana seems hugely popular according to Facebook news comments, even among older and conservative people.

They're voting now for the stadium: live updates - http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/13/live-coverage-day-3-special-session-raiders-stadium/91990630/ or video on the floor: http://nvleg.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?event_id=7467 but they're in recess (see edit)

Bill itself for legal nerds/those interested: https://legiscan.com/NV/text/SB1/2016/X1

Edit nevermind on the stadium vote? "ML @anderson4nv says he hopes to take vote on stadium bill between 7 and 9 tonight. I'm hearing they are close to 28. Will the center hold?" I'd like to imagine a bunch of House of Cards stuff going on right now.

Edit 2: oh poo poo it may just be arguing over it until then? I never watch these things: "Assembly back in session now. Getting ready for testimony on stadium/convention center #nvleg"

Edit 3: (sounded like) If it is passed and the Raiders decline for some reason, funding will be left open for another NFL team to come for 18 months. If no team is still there, UNLV will have the option to build a "smaller college stadium".

Edit 4: Raiders would have a mandatory 30-year lease. Even if they move they have to pay. Non-relocation agreement; missed the details of this.

I'm sure marijuana will pass. Washington had gay marriage and marijuana on the ballot at the same time and marijuana got twice as many votes from registered Republicans as gay marriage.

# ¿ Oct 14, 2016 21:18

Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

gently caress, now I don't have a local team to root for when my actual team isn't playing.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2016 01:56

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Zurreco posted:

Now that this is passing/passed, NBA is pushing expansion and has leaked to the Hansen group that Seattle is other expansion team if arena deal is made soon.

Unless it's 100% private funds I don't think Seattle's gonna build an NBA Arena.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2016 02:52

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Zurreco posted:

As someone working pretty close to the Sonics Arena, it's a lot closer than you think. The deal is pretty juicy from the city and aside from this most recent hiccup caused by the idiots running the port, it would already have been approved.

I was just going off the way the last possible stadium deal got shot down by all the women on city council and a fair bet that all of them will be re-elected.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2016 03:25

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Zurreco posted:

Well, two things: they didn't shoot it down, they charged the ownership to get a better reason to not renovate KeyArena (and there are multitudes of reasons not to), and the main argument against the SoDo arena was because the Port complained after they only got exactly what they asked for from the Hansen group, rather than a little more on top.

Literally no one involved in the negotiations about the arena expected the council to reject the proposal. Kshama Sawant is a decent social justice advocate and has her heart in the right place, but her concerns were so misguided. Apparently building an arena near the port's property will gentrify the zero residential units in the area and will somehow be an economic burden on the longshoremen that make six figure salaries and commute in via a route that the arena group was offering to dump $50m into for upgrades.

I don't actually have a dog in the race because I don't live in Seattle anymore and don't really care that much about the NBA, but Kshama Sawant wasn't the only city council person who voted against the deal. And seriously, don't call longshoremen rich fat cats when defending a vanity project from a billionaire.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2016 04:29

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Zurreco posted:

I singled her out because her relatively vocal opposition was also the least logical. Also, having worked with the Port on multiple occasions, I will never skip an opportunity to call them whiny rich fat cats.

It's been mentioned a lot as of late because the TV deal is in the new CBA and everything has been under the table so far. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/with-nba-expansion-rumored-a-look-at-the-pros-cons-and-prospective-cities/?linkId=29917869

You can't figure out why a socialist who's never given any indication she gave a poo poo about sports beyond enforcement of title nine would be opposed to public funding for a sports arena?

# ¿ Oct 15, 2016 04:56

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shirts and skins posted:

I mean, she was in part elected because she indicated she'd be friendlier to the arena than the incumbent. In retrospect, yeah, it seems fairly obvious that her ideology would keep her support for the arena lukewarm at most.

E. Maybe this discussion should be moved out of TFF...

This will be the last thing I say, because you're right that it's way outside the topic of this thread, but if people voted for Kshama Sawant because they thought she'd support a sports stadium deal with public money, they really should have read there loving voters handbook. She's literally the last vote anyone depending on the city council approving a stadium deal should have expected to get.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2016 05:28

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hifi posted:

Hmm, so the murderers must have cars

I think you can get to Levis s via a combination of Caltrain and bus, but it is hilarious to me that it's much easier for people living in SF to go to a Raiders game than a 9ers one. It's even more hilarious that it will be about the same number of transfers to fly to Vegas and see a Raiders game than it will be to get to Levis.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2016 02:05

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a neat cape posted:

It currently needs a 2/3rds majority so there's no way in hell.

If it gets over 50% it'll probably go into the court system and who knows what the gently caress at that point.

edit: and current polls have it at somewhere between 30 and 35% in favor, so lol

It's the tax thing right? I hope they win in court so then California can start taxing all the rich fuckers to pay for all the cool poo poo our state should have,

# ¿ Oct 18, 2016 06:05

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Robnoxious posted:

The best thing about the Raiders going to Vegas is the Raiderettes by and large will all work shifts at the Olympic Gardens during the week.

I don't know what this means, but after concussions the way the league treats cheerleaders is one of the most hosed up things they do.

# ¿ Oct 21, 2016 06:51

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a neat cape posted:

It's the individual teams, not the league, no?

I'm not positive on the financial logistics, but the only teams that don't treat their cheerleaders like human chattel are the ones that don't have any, so I'm going to put it on the league. Cheerleaders in general are shat on, it's not considered a sport in college so title nine protections and NCAA stuff don't apply to them, and it's one of the most dangerous activities college students can be involved in

# ¿ Oct 21, 2016 08:11

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Spoeank posted:

Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Josh Brown all nod in agreement

Okay that's worse, but cheerleaders still get the shaft.

# ¿ Oct 21, 2016 08:14

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a neat cape posted:

Non starter. Team has already flatly said no to Mission Valley. Unless the NFL steps in and says "Stay there you loving idiot"

I'm terrible about Southern California, what makes Mission Valley a significantly worse location than Carson City?

# ¿ Dec 14, 2016 19:20

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bawfuls posted:

Spanos things he will make more money being in the LA area instead of SD. Also he's not rich enough to build his own stadium; in Carson he's in a new stadium that someone else paid for.

It'll be funny if he moves to LA and it quickly becomes obvious that despite having 2 NFL teams in their city the Las Vegas Raiders are the most popular team there.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2016 19:32

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a neat cape posted:

I think he wants to move to LA to increase the value of the franchise for his kids. Which is funny because AG Spanos and John Spanos, who are actually running the day to day business and football operations of the team starting this past year, want to stay in San Diego

If I was them and had any confidence in my own ability to turn the Chargers into a playoff contender sometime in the future, I'd rather be the only team in San Diego rather than the other team in LA.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2016 20:00

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Zurreco posted:

I hope Kroenke offers to rent his arena to Spanos for every game the Chargers play there, even when its SD @ LA, at about 10x the rate Sheldon Adelson was expecting UNLV to pay. Also no parking or concessions revenue, and the Chargers girls have to go.

I'd expect Kroenke to ask for a cut on any Chargers merchandise sold inside the arena also.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2016 05:37

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Vertical Lime posted:

like dc would be without it's most popular team by far

There's no way on earth the Washington Rascists are leaving DC while Trump is in the Oval Office.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2016 05:00

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Zurreco posted:

Spanos, in one last ditch effort to save himself any further humiliation, will let let Joey Bosa's agent make the announcement on behalf of the Chargers organization.

Nah, the NFL would simply take over the team on behalf of The Shield�, negotiate a quick sale, and give Spanos whatever percentage of the sale he is owed (unless they just liquidate his stock). Since the city owns Qualcomm, Spanos has no leverage to keep the NFL from claiming the team, especially if any other ownership is told they are being given an opportunity to buy Spanos' stock at reduced market value.

Can we give Donald Trump the Chargers in exchange for not being President? since I'm pretty sure he only ran as part of a long con to eventually own an NFL team.

# ¿ Jan 3, 2017 05:52

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Bip Roberts posted:

I've never heard anyone say Oaklandish out loud but I bet people do.

That's the name of a clothing store.

# ¿ Jan 11, 2017 00:24

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chupacabraTERROR posted:

He moved the franchise twice, for the same reason Dean moved the chargers. Al was both cool and a huge rear end in a top hat.

I was just checking his wikipedia, dude was loving awesome

quote:

Davis was active in civil rights, refusing to allow the Raiders to play in any city where black and white players had to stay in separate hotels. He was the first NFL owner to hire an African American head coach and a female chief executive. He was also the second NFL owner to hire a Latino head coach. He remains the only executive in NFL history to be an assistant coach, head coach, general manager, commissioner, and owner.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2017 00:13

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Kirios posted:

Drivethru coffee stands are the best, can confirm they are everywhere here.

I like the ones that fronts for illegal stripping and prostitution.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2017 22:49

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whiteyfats posted:

Are you serious? (forgive me, I am unaccustomed to your big city ways)

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/three-bikini-baristas-arrested-washington-espresso-stand-f8C11501428

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/33003900/#.WH1LVFMrKM8

There's also a bunch that don't do anything illegal, but do advertise that the baristas are wearing only bikinis or lingerie. And even the normal ones where they wear normal clothes the barista is always an attractive woman aged 16-25

quote:

Three scantily dressed baristas were arrested Wednesday at an espresso stand in Washington state after public complaints about inappropriate conduct, police said.

The three women, who sold coffee drinks at the drive-through Hillbilly Hotties stand along a busy road in Everett, north of Seattle, weren't identified.
...
In 2009, five bikini baristas were charged with prostitution for allegedly charging customers $80 to touch their breasts and buttocks at a shop in Everett called the Grab-n-Go Bikini Hut. In July 2011, the owner and three employees were arrested for alleged indecent exposure at a coffee stand in the town of Edmonds called Java Juggs.
And in July of this year, a Snohomish County sheriff's sergeant resigned after he was arrested for allegedly abetting a prostitution ring at a stand called Java Juggs and Twin Peaks in Everett.

Unreleated, but a hilarious part of the same article

quote:

Police confirmed that the stand that was raided Wednesday is the same Hillbilly Hotties that made news last month when a 12-year-old boy was arrested and charged with holding it up at gunpoint. Police said the boy pointed a gun at a barista Sept. 2, emptied the tip jar into his backpack and pedaled off on a bicycle.

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# ¿ Jan 16, 2017 23:40

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Miko posted:

Charger fan living in Canada checking in. What am I supposed to like/hate right now?

I'm not privy to these west coast dynamics and local eateries/strip joints.

Switch to the Raiders or Broncos, just because you are likely to see your new favorite team beat your old favorite team twice a year.

# ¿ Jan 17, 2017 03:46

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Miko posted:

I've lived through 1-15, I think I'll manage.

What's the Coles notes on why three franchises moved cities in two years?

Money.

# ¿ Jan 17, 2017 03:55

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Tzen posted:

https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/820729780068761600

That one makes the "L" in "LA" even harder to see, I think most people were being facetious about the official logo looking like "44" but that one definitely looks like "4A"

# ¿ Jan 17, 2017 07:13

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Adun posted:

But of course it would make too much sense for Las Vegas to let its citizens vote on it like San Diego did. Much easier for Sheldon Adelson to buy off a couple dozen lawmakers in a special session.

Also one of the two daily papers (it's kinda impressive Vegas has two daily papers, very few cities still have that)

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# ¿ May 3, 2024 07:42

Air Skwirl: May 13, 2007; Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

I'm sure a bunch of NFL owners are actually decent people, but on average the world would probably better off if they all woke up tomorrow with a Colombian necktie.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2017 06:58

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