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The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

So AEG, who wants to build the stadium in downtown LA, commissioned a report about how the Inglewood stadium would be a likely site for a terrorist attack.

:psyduck:

# ¿ Feb 28, 2015 00:40

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:26

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

The LA Times had a little slideshow of the current proposed stadiums, and also included a drawing of a proposed Carson stadium from the 90s:

Look at that loving thing, it amazing

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 07:48

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

And AEG has officially ended all work on Farmer's Field, so now the only two active stadium proposals are the Inglewood and Carson ones

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 01:50

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Ron Jeremy posted:

Like any new stadium is going to be built with less than 50% of the space being taken up by luxury suites.

Which means it will need to be replaced 50% sooner :v:

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 06:24

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Glass of Milk posted:

If the Rams secure their deal in Inglewood, then Carson as a dual-team stadium is dead, because the NFL won't allow three teams in LA. It's also dead as a single-team stadium, because the economics are terrible and neither the Chargers or Raiders can afford to build there alone. They may attempt to force Kroenke to accept a second team in Inglewood, but I don't know the logistics of that or how much of a threat that is. Certainly, Kroenke doesn't want to do that, because then he's splitting revenues with another team.

I think if he gets in, it weakens the bargaining position of the other teams. The Chargers, whether they stay or go, will demand compensation for the Rams moving into their turf.

Kroenke already announced that the Inglewood stadium is going to be built to house two teams. Two full sets of offices, owners boxes, home lockerrooms, etc

# ¿ Apr 23, 2015 21:11

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Glass of Milk posted:

"Kroenke doesn't need to partner with another team to finance the stadium, but the NFL sees L.A. as a two-team market and wants venues to be capable of hosting both. The Inglewood plan is two-team compliant, which means it has two home locker rooms, identical sets of office space, and two owners' suites. Whereas the Carson proposal is based on the Chargers and Raiders simultaneously relocating, it is widely believed Kroenke does not want to share the market with another NFL team right away, and, because he would be assuming the risk of the stadium by himself, would want to reap the benefits of getting his team up and running as L.A.'s sole franchise."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-stadium-inglewood-20150322-column.html

Both things are true, I think. He doesn't want to share the stadium, but he's going through the process because he knows the NFL will be more likely to put the screws in if he doesn't design it with two teams in mind. The design can quickly change if the Raiders and Chargers get stadium deals in their respective cities.

I don't know precisely, but I would think if he builds and owns the stadium, he can charge rent to whatever other team shows up. Plus he would likely retain all of the naming rights money. Alternatively, he could make a second team pitch in some cash to the construction if he's the only game in town.

He wants to share the use of the stadium, but he wants to be the sole owner of the stadium. He wants a second team there so there are more home games and more revenue for him.

He also wants to get back to the market a year or two earlier to build up a strong fan base

# ¿ Apr 23, 2015 22:43

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Ross Angeles posted:

Chargers stadium financing proposal will be officially released at 1pm PST today. Apparently there will be zero taxpayer money used

It will almost certainly be hotel taxes or things like that, which don't hit the San Diego tax payer

# ¿ May 18, 2015 18:42

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

old dog child posted:

Whoa, that'd be incredible if it works out. Good luck.

It didn't

Financing details, per LA Times

quote:

The plan would include $300 million from the Chargers, $200 million from the NFL, $173 million in construction bonds, $121 million from the city of San Diego and $121 million from San Diego County.

Also, $225 million would come from the sale to a developer of 75 acres at the Mission Valley site, the current home of Qualcomm Stadium. The committee also estimated that more than $100 million could be raised from fans through personal-seat licenses and ticket and parking surcharges.

So between 240 and 410 million in public funds, depending on the what type of bonds the construction bonds are. Maybe even more depending on if the city/county currently owns the Qualcomm land that is going to be sold

EDIT:

quote:

The stadium would be home to the Chargers, the San Diego State Aztecs, the Holiday and Poinsettia Bowls and events including bar mitzvahs, weddings, proms, reunions, corporate gatherings, monster truck jams, music festivals and religious ceremonies, the mayoral committee suggested in its 43-page report.

That would be one hell of a Bar Mitzvah

The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 21:32 on May 18, 2015

# ¿ May 18, 2015 21:28

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Warriors are already building their new stadium in the city

# ¿ May 20, 2015 23:33

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-stadium-20150626-story.html

The NFL is officially looking for temporary stadiums to use in LA for the 2016 season

# ¿ Jun 26, 2015 08:39

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Henchman of Santa posted:

The Raiders would be great in San Antonio because they're like the nega-Spurs

They already have the right color scheme for SA

# ¿ Jun 27, 2015 19:46

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Ross Angeles posted:

It's relevant because it leaves the LA Coliseum as the only real viable option. And I doubt they're gonna shove two teams in there for a temporary basis

As part of the lease, the Coliseum is literally not allowed to host 2 NFL teams

# ¿ Jul 10, 2015 23:23

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Oracle Arena is 50 years old and was last renovated 20 years ago

Its not insane that they are looking to build a new arena

# ¿ Jul 22, 2015 20:12

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I still wouldn't be shocked if we saw an ownership swap

# ¿ Aug 11, 2015 22:59

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I want the Rams to move :nyoron:

# ¿ Aug 18, 2015 07:40

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

quote:

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Terry Bradshaw "Rams are 100 percent gone." He says all the Fox guys are hearing they're moving. Ouch.

https://twitter.com/DVaughn_CBS920/status/647054512084119552

# ¿ Sep 24, 2015 18:38

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Seems like it is getting about time to bring this thread back as the relocation stuff is gonna be heating up in the next few days

# ¿ Jan 5, 2016 04:23

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Chichevache posted:

But really, I loving hate the way Angelinos talk, especially in the Valley.

Hey, if you had to spend 2-3 hours a day on a loving freeway, you would elevate their status too

Also, the valley owns. Where else are you gonna live and have the parents of like 4 or 5 of your childhood friends be in the porn industry

The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jan 5, 2016

# ¿ Jan 5, 2016 18:58

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Chichevache posted:

My favorite thing about living in San Fernando Valley was that they don't have bookstores anymore.

We have 4

I think

# ¿ Jan 5, 2016 20:09

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Chichevache posted:

The University of northridge student book store, 2 used book stores with poor hours and a bad selection*, and __________?!?!

_{*I love used book stores. Good ones. Like http://www.recyclebookstore.com/. They have cats. I just picked up Ezra Pound's Guide to Kulchur and Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars yesterday.}

http://www.yelp.com/biz/barnes-and-noble-booksellers-bookstar-studio-city

Also, I was thinking of like 2 others that have both apparently closed since I moved

# ¿ Jan 5, 2016 21:58

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

-They're not going to get 3 teams, there are just 3 trying to move. At most only 2 will be allowed to move

-Almost certain, there will not be a better time to move for over a decade, and Oakland and, to lesser extent, San Diego have no concrete plans in place for replacing the stadium. Oakland in particular needs a one, the Colliseum is a poo poo hole of historic proportions and Oakland has 0% interest in helping fund a new one since they are still paying off the renovations to bring the Raiders back to town

-Coliseum is going to host one, but is legally prevented from hosting 2. The Rose Bowl has said they won't deal with the ordeal of getting approval for it, so the second one will likely be at one of the baseball stadiums or where ever the gently caress the Galaxy plays

The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Jan 6, 2016

# ¿ Jan 6, 2016 05:18

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I would almost not be shocked if we on ownership swap since Kroenke has the best stadium plan for LA, but St Louis has the best plan in place to keep a team

# ¿ Jan 6, 2016 05:23

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

To put the Coliseum in perspective, the concession booths didn't take credit cards until 4 years ago.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2016 07:32

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Tank44 posted:

Here's the Rams full relocation proposal.

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2016-01/23763808665200-05180540.pdf

I'm the NFL themed hotel

# ¿ Jan 6, 2016 18:53

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Bip Roberts posted:

How do stadiums get that expensive. US Bank stadium is 1.0 billion. How do you get 270% more expensive than that for the same total product. I would guess the land price in Inglewood vs. Downtown Minneapolis don't make up the difference.

They're building a lot of things there in addition to the arena; hotels, offices, condos, etc

# ¿ Jan 13, 2016 07:41

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Bip Roberts posted:

So the Rams are going to play in a 95 year old stadium next year.

USC is gonna have to loving rush to finish the renovation

# ¿ Jan 13, 2016 07:57

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

They're gonna sign Barkley, Leinart, and John David Booty

# ¿ Jan 13, 2016 08:06

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Can someone do a big effort post for a meet your team for the Rams. I know basically no one besides Gurley and Donald

# ¿ Jan 14, 2016 08:10

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Raiders should change their colors to Black and Chrome

# ¿ Jan 29, 2016 22:41

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Ross Angeles posted:

San Diego Chargers�Friday, 29 January 2016

Dear Chargers Fans,

Today I decided our team will stay in San Diego for the 2016 season and I hope for the long term in a new stadium.

I have met with Mayor Faulconer and Supervisor Roberts and I look forward to working closely with them and the business community to resolve our stadium dilemma. We have an option and an agreement with the Los Angeles Rams to go to Inglewood in the next year, but my focus is on San Diego.

This has been our home for 55 years, and I want to keep the team here and provide the world-class stadium experience you deserve.

Everyone on both sides of the table in San Diego must now determine the best next steps and how to deploy the additional resources provided by the NFL.

I am committed to looking at this with a fresh perspective and new sense of possibility.

With deep appreciation for your years of support,

Dean A. Spanos
Chairman

We are also working with the city council to determine new strategies for both eating cake, as well as, preserving it for the long term

# ¿ Jan 30, 2016 00:06

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Barudak posted:

And yet they'll soon have your Rivers

# ¿ Feb 4, 2016 03:30

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I stumbled upon this fun bit of history from when the Rams were looking to leave LA, back in 94:

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-09-03/sports/sp-34347_1_foregone-conclusion

quote:

One year from this very day--Sept. 3, 1995--the NFL will open the regular season with the Baltimore Rams playing to a full house in Camden Yards.

Fact or fiction?

According to John Shaw, Ram president, not even he knows where the team will be a year from now.

"Do I believe the Rams are going to move?" Shaw said, repeating a question. "It's absolutely not a foregone conclusion, but it's a distinct possibility."

By the end of the month, Shaw will have met again in Los Angeles with Peter Angelos, majority owner of the Baltimore Orioles and the leader in the clubhouse in the battle over the Rams.

Hartford, Conn., has submitted a serious proposal to the Rams, St. Louis is building a stadium and Anaheim refuses to surrender.

A financial analyst has been hired to tour the interested cities and verify promises and projections that have been submitted to the Rams. The paper work is piling up, the clock is running and team owner Georgia Frontiere is waiting for Shaw's recommendation.

A deal is all but in place with Angelos, who is acting on behalf of Baltimore, and it could be completed quickly, but Shaw said the team will wait to further explore Hartford and St. Louis, while also listening to Anaheim.

# ¿ Feb 12, 2016 01:23

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:

These are the same radio hosts who are convinced that the Lakers are still an attractive destination for free agents

No but seriously, if you go to a small market you'll never get endorsements because this is still the 1970s

# ¿ Feb 12, 2016 02:45

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Donkwich posted:

Is 2025 the O/U on LA losing all its teams again

They're not gonna lose a team for atleast 20+ years, when they need a new stadium and LA won't pay

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 02:56

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Someone's gotta stand up to these pricks.

LA did, and we still got a team :smug:

Eventually

# ¿ Feb 25, 2016 08:52

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:

In metro's defense the Crenshaw line was already well under construction before Kroenke even announced his proposal

Metro has also said since the move became official, that they will look at building a connector from the stadium to the two nearest stops

Also, the expo line was hilariously hosed up. I remember when I was on a campus visit at USC they were talking about how it was less than a year from opening.

It opened the week before I graduated

# ¿ Feb 26, 2016 01:08

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

The Vegas Raiders would be fun as hell

# ¿ Apr 14, 2016 21:22

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

warcrimes posted:

Lol if you don't take BART

Lol if you live somewhere without BART access

Lol at me

# ¿ Apr 24, 2016 08:00

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Other than being literally right next to the airport and having to worry about the flight paths, that site looks insane. Right on the strip, block away from a monorail stop, 5 blocks from the UNLV campus.

I'm sure MGM would loving love if that was built right there

# ¿ Apr 28, 2016 19:05

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:26

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

kiimo posted:

Where should they?

That is the much more important question

# ¿ Apr 28, 2016 21:13

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