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Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Chinatown posted:

CBS will air all the Chargers games as normal in San Diego

:downsa:

if the chargers don't sell out the 6,000 seats in la, is there a blackout in san diego?

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Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Leperflesh posted:

Some of the money spent building the stadium will go to like, contractors and workers and stuff though, right? Obviously the profits go to owners and the interest on the loans the local government takes out come from taxes (on tourists) but... oh, I guess a lot of out of town labor would be used, and probably the steel beams and stuff aren't manufactured in Vegas. But still there has to be at least a little bit of local construction that gets stimulated by the spend?

yep. hopefully they don't use a big blue crane. :v:

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Zurreco posted:

Mark Davis is a legitimate ignoramus. I've got nothing against Hunt, though.

he just looks like it, but he's been a fantastic owner. he knows his place in the team hierarchy and doesn't get involved where he shouldn't, but he's intervened in other times when it was the right thing to do.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

kiimo posted:

I hated Al for his thing with Marcus Allen.

from everything I've heard though, Marcus Allen is not a good guy in real life.

Like that time he cheated on his fiance with his best friend's wife, and then kept banging her even after his best friend found out and told her if she ever saw Marcus again he'd murder her lol.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

TBeats posted:

It's a badge of honor.

Much like the three rings Tom Brady won that Drew Bledsoe would have won had he never gotten hurt.

2 rings.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
raiders 500 million. lv's 750. that's 1.25 billion. just build a fuckin stadium.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

evilweasel posted:

I don't know who was making poo poo up but my first instinct would not be to just assume Goldman told the truth when not under oath.

Yeah, none of this makes sense.

https://twitter.com/VicTafur/status/826519307735617536

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
id take a stadium in pyongyang at this point

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/VinceSapienza/status/826535931406479361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
whats 50% of 36

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Craptacular! posted:

Word is they aren't giving up. I guess they have until the vote in March to try to get it together.

Can one of the people who likes football explain to someone who doesn't, why the Raiders want to pay a $550MM relocation fee to grab $750MM of taxpayer money? I get the need for a bank/local rich guy either way, but if they remained in Northern California they automatically have $550,000,000 more in their budget to build with?

I get that the Coliseum sucks, I've watched a lot of baseball on a football field there. But if Mark is committing half a billion for relocation ransom and half a billion in construction... well, Levi's cost $1.3 billion. I don't know why a stadium in Vegas (where construction is rampant and cheap, the media market is small, and there are no super wealthy tech-bros) needs to cost 25% more.

The relocation figure you're referring to was the one the NFL put on Spanos and Kroenke for their moves to LA. It's dictated by the NFL each time based on the circumstances. We have no idea what an LV relocation fee would be yet, but it should be pointed out that Kroenke and Spanos are both billionaires, and both stood to gain a lot by getting into LA, so the relocation fee reflected that.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Still mostly quiet as we wait for the owners meeting next month, but there's been some news.

quote:

There was some news last week that the group lead by Ronnie Lott which is pursuing the last minute “Save Oakland” deal for a Raiders stadium in the Bay Area was being bought out. The Japanese based SoftBank is indeed purchasing the Fortress Investment Group for $3.3 billion dollars.

With a new owner there was a chance of a change in direction for the group but it looks like it will not stop the pursuit of a stadium option in Oakland. The Fortress Group's spokesman Sam Singer says the sale “doesn't change anything” and that “Fortress is all in on the Raiders stadium deal.”. They do still have to get the Raiders and/or the NFL to be “all in” again with them for it to matter.

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/2/20/14678856/oakland-fortress-group-sells-to-softbank-says-stadium-deal-wont-be-effected-by-sale

quote:

LAS VEGAS (FOX5) -
The Raiders can be saved, after all.

The Clark County Board of Commissioners chairman, Steve Sisolak, told FOX5 on Monday the team has two confirmed funding sources to fill a $650 million funding hole in the Raiders' pursuit of a Las Vegas stadium.

As FOX5's Vince Sapienza reported, the sources of the funding were not immediately identified, but Sisolak said they could range from banks to private investors.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/status/839169581537189888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

quote:

NFL executive vice president Eric Grubman has been on record since January stating that Raiders owner Mark Davis’ plan to move the team to Las Vegas was “impressive,” despite have casino magnate Sheldon Adelson still on the proposal.

The league’s willingness to overlook such a red flag early on could signify that they understood Davis used Adelson for political purposes in order to secure the largest stadium subsidy in history at $750 million, but had no long-term plans for him.

lmao adelson got chewed up by a guy with a bowl cut who drives a mini van

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

whiteyfats posted:

If any team should move to Vegas, it seems like it should be the Raiders.

Maybe Davis will change his name to Mr. House.

Maybe Al is alive on life support in a secret base under the coliseum.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Was just coming to post that article lol. Two owners said the Raiders have 27-28 votes in pocket for the move. Relocation fee would be in the mid 300 million range.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Grittybeard posted:

Oakland having no plan seems like it's not news.

Other than maybe the Ronnie Lott group that I guess wanted Mark Davis to sell a majority to them (which was always basically dead in the water if there was any truth to that) was there anything even slightly workable in Oakland? Well...workable on the give me free money level which teams operate on at least.

I think that article describes it best. All things being equal, the owners would want the Raiders to stay in Oakland. That's very clearly been the case all along. That they look to be ok with the move is the clearest evidence you could get that Oakland isn't buying.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
The deal involving the public funding was focused around a raise in hotel taxes. There's nothing that says the local government would've agreed to the same tax increase for something that wasn't a stadium, because they could've already done it and they hadn't. So it's not true that all the money is coming out of "the pot." A lot of it wasn't in the pot to begin with, so it's not like school funding is going to feel the impact of that.

Volkerball fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Mar 27, 2017

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Ragnarok the Red posted:

I really don't see the problem with them playing in Sam Boyd a couple years if the Chargers can at StubHub, which seats like 5000 fewer people.

They were talking about renovating Sam Boyd to meet NFL regulations, but I have no idea what the regulations are if StubHub qualifies. Like "has grass" or some poo poo. Maybe they got an exemption for StubHub since they all knew the Chargers leave was going to be ugly.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/846422969047965696

Welp.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
We've got confirmations all over the place. It's real. The Las Vegas Raiders are a thing.

https://twitter.com/SteveSisolak/status/846422857248780288

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Thanks to all the Oakland fans for being awesome and sticking by the team all these years. I can only hope the black hole in Vegas will be half as entertaining.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Paperback Writer posted:

Man, gently caress today

I feel for ya man.

Some new renderings of the stadium have been released.

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/3/27/15081178/new-video-pics-of-raiders-las-vegas-stadium-renderings

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

The Cardinals do it too. You can see the field in the pictures in that link I posted.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

FuriousxGeorge posted:

Isn't it a glass roof? Does grass not grow under glass?

I think it's going to be tinted, otherwise it's going to be pretty miserable in there for people sitting in the sun.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Really? drat, o.co killed a guy and Las Vegas bought a whole new stadium

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

What if a game gets blacked out lol

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

FuriousxGeorge posted:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/nfl-747684-carson-stadium.html


Yeah, I think I would go with the Rams if I had to choose.

Idk the chargers games there are once on a lifetime kinda deals.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Spoeank posted:

I just realized in 2020, no California NFL team will be in the same city they were in in 2010.

It's still San Francisco, don't be a pedant.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Konstantin posted:

Elite soccer teams won't play on any kind of artificial turf, so it's probably to tap into that revenue source.

European teams don't play here much, and when they do, it's some generic rear end The US Make Believe Cup that no one cares about. Basically preseason games. I got tickets for a Manchester United game in Denver for like $120 in seats that would go for $1300+ for an NFL game, and as far as I know, it's the only even like that Denver has ever hosted.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

bawfuls posted:

St Louis, Kansas City, Miami (spends like a small market), and Arizona have all won the World Series this century.

Team success in MLB is less driven by payroll spending than any of the other major pro sports in America.

Lmao. Yes, the sport where the richest team has won 27 championships and appeared in 40 of them is the model of parity all sports should aspire to.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

a neat cape posted:

There is nothing that compares to an nhl game live. The NFL is a sport to watch on TV. Hockey is non stop action. Nothing the NFL does can compare

It depends on the situation. There's no situation in sports I'd rather watch live than NHL playoff overtime, but it's not always edge of your seat like that. Halfway through the first period hockey is kinda boring.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Aussie rules is the best free flowing game.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Chris James 2 posted:

Vegas Raiders stadium won't be ready till June '20. Oakland lease runs out in 2 years, so they'll have to find another temporary home for the last season.

Oakland will rent them the coliseum for another year I'm sure, but there will definitely be a big price hike.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

warcrimes posted:

You mean in 2019? Nah, Raiders are going to play on the deck of the USS Nimitz. While off the coast of Qatar.

It's never gonna happen. There's no pf Chang's on the high seas

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Chichevache posted:

Uh, the California parole departments are going to be absolutely flooded with vacation requests.

https://youtu.be/2E8wxvXE1IA

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Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Pretty sure the chargers had until next off-season to decide for sure whether they were going to LA lol. With the Raiders ending up going to Vegas there was no reason for them to rush this and end up in this dumb situation.

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