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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

If Alias is going to be a straight-up adaptation of the original series, it's going to be one hell of a ride, that is one of my favorite series ever. Tennant as the Purple Man is going to be a hell of a thing.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Deadpool posted:

If anyone is interested in catching up with the character the runs you want to read are Miller, Bendis, Brubaker, and Waid. There are other fine installments but those are the ones you want. Miller is the foundation. Bendis and Brubaker are the runs the basically tear the character apart and put him through near endless poo poo and Waid's run is the light at the end of the tunnel that puts him back together.

I remember really liking Kevin Smith's run (with Quesada doing the art I think) but maybe that's just because at the time Daredevil had been such a terribly wasted character, and this was actually attempting something interesting, maybe it's aged horribly?

Bendis' run was stupendous though.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Boru posted:

Daredevil's showrunner really wants to make a R rated tv series for The Punisher. I don't want to get my hopes up, but it still is exciting to me.

Hey now that Almost Human got canned maybe Karl Urban is looking for work. . . .

And he's probably not gonna be busy with a Dredd sequel since it made so little money!

Oh I just made myself sad :smith:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Burning_Monk posted:

Zero was an android in the comics, they changed him to a mutie in the movie.

Check your privilege, flatscan :mad:

"Flatscan" may be the worst fake insult/slang term I've ever read in comics.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Phylodox posted:

Zombies are so dunzo. It's all about frankensteins now. Sexy, sexy frankensteins.

Or this goony gently caress from Penny Dreadful

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Snak posted:

Oh god. "Sticks and Stones" haha. Subtle. No wonder TMNT is the way it is.

There's a third guy called Name but he's pretty bad at fighting and not very strong.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

thrakkorzog posted:

The Hand is more like a crazy cult with ninjas. They don't really show up all that often in NYC outside of Daredevil. But when heroes go to Japan, they can't take two steps without pissing off some ninja clan.

They also so frequently get their asses kicked in situations where they outnumber the heroes they're fighting 20-1 that they became a bit of a joke. "Oh no it's the mysterious and terrifying Hand, those guys who got their asses handed to them by a single noodle vendor in an issue of Wolverine!"

It was quite nice to see the TV version without that baggage - Matt fights one single Hand ninja and gets demolished, and only wins by virtue of an accident giving him an out that proved fatal to the ninja. Then Kingpin comes in and just batters the poo poo out of Matt for good measure.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

It's out? Oh loving hell yes.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Send help, trapped in a Jessica Jones episode factory and can't get out.

The help I'd like you to send is more snacks, because I'm pretty loving happy about my current situation otherwise.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

1x06 Kilgrave peeling back the wallpaper :gonk:

I am really enjoying the show so far - it's very different from Daredevil which is nice, it somehow feels more grounded despite the more overt use of powers. I do kinda dig that Jessica's fighting style is essentially just,"I'm really loving strong so I'm just gonna shove thugs outta the way" as opposed to looking like she's actually trained in some kind of martial arts

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Finished up the season, it was really drat good all the way through. My only real issue is an odd one, in that I felt they leaned a little too heavily on Kilgrave - there were too many interactions between him and Jessica which started to get comical as she'd almost have him and then he'd get away again. It feels like a weird complaint because Tennant was amazing as Kilgrave and I loved it every time he was onscreen, but I would have preferred if they'd kept that to a minimum and instead used more of the scenes of him going around doing his own creepy/hosed up preparations for when he finally got his hands on Jessica.

I absolutely loved 1x13 when he's childishly babbling angrily to himself about how he's totally going to teach Jessica a lesson, and starts fantasizing about all the ways he will make her "pay". I thought it was a great example of what we'd already seen, that he wasn't just narcissistic but that he'd never grown out of the immaturity of his early teens - he was basically throwing a tantrum. I can't remember if it is 1x11 or 1x12, but the scene where he recounts his memories of an event and Jessica recounts hers, then shows him unquestionable proof that SHE remembers right and he is lying even to himself was another great moment.

Argue posted:

Comics talk: I think the strongest change they made from the comic was Jessica simply overcoming his control with her willpower; I think that's more empowering. In the comic, it never sat right with me that the solution to her problem was Jean Grey ex machina installing a psychic safeguard.

I haven't read the comics in a long time, but the way I remembered it, wasn't it that Jean gave Jessica back her agency by implanting the ability to overcome Kilgrave's mind control, but told her it could only be triggered if Jessica TRULY wanted it to be? I actually really dug that, because it meant Jessica could actually finally believe what she'd always known intellectually/strived to believe - that she didn't want what Kilgrave told her she wanted, that she wasn't in some way complicit in the actions he made her perform. It wasn't so much about overriding Kilgrave's mind control as it was allowing her to reclaim her sense of self and gain some closure.

That said, I really did love the way they handled it on the show - "Let go, Jessica...... :aaa:"

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

adhuin posted:

Everyone can see Avengers powers. They're fantastic powers, but also physical and easy to understand.

Kilgrave (about his powers)
doesn't have any special FX:s attached to his powers. He just tells you what to do and you will do it. There's nothing comparable outside the X-men, which are non-MCU.


I really dug the "confession" scene (sorry, can't remember the specific episode) where Kilgrave tells his mother to pick up the scissors, Jessica excitedly says,"That's it, that's proof!" and Clemons replies,"....what proof?" because just picking up a pair of scissors when asked does not immediately scream,"MIND CONTROL!" to people

Of course, things quickly escalate from there, but the point is unless he's doing something showy with his powers in public (which he rarely did) they're extremely easy to hide/go unnoticed.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

The Sharmat posted:

I wouldn't have bought the mind control thing if I was a cop/judge/juror or whatever here. Just because one weird thing exists doesn't mean all weird things exist and I don't think the Loki thing was very widely publicized.

Yes, there's that scene early on where people come out of the woodwork to talk about Kilgrave encounters and most of them are either people looking for excuses or who are clearly mentally ill themselves, and it's only because Jessica has firsthand knowledge of him that she is able to pick out the genuine victims - to anybody else, they're ALL just a bunch of nutcases or opportunists.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

demota posted:

Marvel should have cast Christopher Eccleston as Kilgrave in the flashbacks. :v:

Cast him as Kilgrave's dad.

"He was going to die...... so I promised him..... I promised him women.... :gonk:"

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Edit: Oops!

VVV It's not my fault, Kilgrave made me do it!

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Nov 23, 2015

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Soothing Vapors posted:

I love the "get someone who doesn't understand English" plan so much

There's a bit in Preacher where the bad guy sends foreigners against the protagonist, since his power is if he commands them to do something they MUST do it, but he only speaks English :xd:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Snak posted:

They did a good transition from horrible mysterious monster to a really immature person with the powers to get away with it. His position of extreme privileged has made it extremely easy to dehumanize people. That's what ultimately terrifying about him: he's not Hannibal Lector, he's a spoiled rich kid who is so used to getting whatever he wants that he actually believes he deserves it.

Yeah, I actually dug that as the more we got to see him, the more obvious it became that he wasn't some powerful, mysterious ubermensch, but a childish, immature little poo poo who constantly complains about how unfair his life is (while getting everything his own way!).

Also, I didn't really grasp it until I read it in this thread - but I love that they cast a guy who looks similar to Chris Evans as Simpson, since he ends up being the knock-off, hosed up version of Captain America that is Nuke.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Snak posted:

Maybe after Luke Cage's first season they team up and just have one show called Jessica/Cage.

I was quite seriously just going to suggest the same thing :shobon:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Snak posted:

I'm 100% serious. I don't know what to expect at all from the Luke Cage series, but if it continues to develop their relationship it could make sense to have them become the leads of their own arc.

So am I, I'd really love to see the progression of their relationship like they did through the comics :)

Also I really, really, really want for there to eventually be a TV version of that Spider-Man "Woah, I used to have a crush on you!" moment :laugh:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I also think that Luke, as distinct from Simpson, was emotionally stable enough to realize when he woke up that his attempt to get Kilgrave had only complicated things and that if he went after him again it was likely to end with him under his control again and attacking Jessica once more. He knew Jessica was immune (I think he knew that?) and was mature enough to know that despite being bigger and stronger than her that didn't necessarily make him better suited to "solve" the problem.

Simpson kept looking to retake control/regain his sense of power (if only over his own destiny) and screwing things up - I'd like to think that Luke was able to accept his powerlessness and step aside for a better suited person to do it for him, without feeling like that in some way reflected poorly on his manhood.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

To be fair, NOT having Fu Manchu in a television production in the 21st Century is probably a good thing. :shobon:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

bobkatt013 posted:

but more importantly he has to get his money. Honey.

God I wish Marvel could backdoor in Doom and the Fantastic Four and actually stand a chance of making a good show featuring them for a change.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Nah, call them Power Man and Iron Fist (because she hits so hard!) and on all the posters, have a sad looking Danny Rand standing in the background.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Yeah I don't get where,"She is actually a bad person" is coming from either. She's a very hosed up person, for a variety of reasons, but I don't see her as being revealed to be at heart an actual bad human being at all. She alternates between trying to do the "right" thing and becoming depressed/angry and lashing out at others, but the very fact she's often wracked with guilt over some of the stuff she does (in direct contrast to Kilgrave) I think goes to show that she very much knows right from wrong, and is willing to face up to her own shortcomings (again, in contrast to Kilgrave, as well as Simpson or even Trish' mom).

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

There was a comic series called Marvels back in the early 90s that ran with the idea of following a photographer who basically got to witness most of the craziness of Marvel's major moments firsthand. It was really good, especially in how it found the human face of things even during ridiculously high-level cosmic events like a giant dude in a purple helmet showing up to literally eat the planet.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Crow_Robot posted:

ABC is doing a Damage Control sitcom which I'm pretty hyped about.

http://deadline.com/2015/10/marvel-damage-control-tv-series-comedy-abc-1201566243/

I wish Dwayne McDuffie was still alive to get his credit for this. Hell, I just wish Dwayne McDuffie was still alive :smith:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Gyges posted:

Red Skull got sucked up by some light around 70 years ago. He's way more likely to be dead than not dead.

During Avengers I was convinced he was Thanos' second-in-command, the guy constantly talking poo poo to Loki. That theory was very quickly debunked!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Given the parallels between Hogarth and Kilgrave (self-absorbed, forever convinced they're right or even feeling themselves to be the victims) I had kind of hoped for a moment of catharsis where she realized that yes she absolutely was the bad guy in the divorce, and that Wendy was a truly good person. When Kilgrave told Wendy "If you want her death by 1000 cuts, take it now" I had kind of hoped Wendy wouldn't do it because the way Kilgrave worded it left enough wriggle room to decide not to do it. Making Hogarth come face to face with the reality that she was the bad guy, that Wendy was the victim (and a genuinely good person), and that she was just making things worse by trying to control the divorce would I think have been a stronger ending to that subplot, and would have validated somewhat Hogarth's decision to use her legal prowess to help Jessica in the end.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

BarbarousBertha posted:

(though I did have a perverse urge for Wendy to start calling everyone a cocksucker before she got caught between a tchotchke and a hard place).

Oh my God that was Calamity Jane :aaa:

I knew she looked familiar :doh:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Season 2, Episode 2 - Gotta love the dude who thought it was a good idea to offer child porn to the hulking, terrifying slab of muscle who just took his shotgun and a police scanner.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

S02E03 - even though it felt like a bit of a rehash, the stairwell fight was still very impressively done. The dialogue on the rooftop was by far the best part of that episode though.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

The cemetery monologue in S02E04 is pretty goddamn amazing.

That said, Tony Curran should have learned from the Chinese mobsters who left New York in order to save face :colbert:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Knuc U Kinte posted:

The prison fight was up there with the injured matt hallway fight from season 1.

Yeah, I loved that moments before that fight started Kingpin was all,"Welp, seeya later shitlord!" and afterwards he goes to see him again all goddamn dude you loving own and then in perfect character for both of them they start beating the poo poo out of each other.

I would love to see more scenes between those two.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Captain Magic posted:

Karen's editorial was truly terrible

Editor: I want you to write the truth. We've already got the facts, speak from the heart, give us truth. THAT is what I want to read! :colbert:
Karen writes her piece
Editor: ....nevermind....

In all seriousness though, I thought her editorial wasn't very good but I really dug the mentor/protege relationship they've got going between her and the editor. It's just unfortunate that - much like House of Cards - they're crediting particular characters with amazing writing abilities and then when they have to demonstrate any of that actual quality writing it almost always falls flat.

Polaron posted:

So in hindsight, what was up with the timeline in this season? It started during a massive summer heat wave and ended around Christmas but it never felt like that much time was passing. Everything was quick quick quick. I never got the impression that Frank's trial lasted more than a week, and he escaped practically a day after arriving. The fight with the Hand over the last few episodes all seemed to take place over one or two nights

I may need to go back to check, but it did look to me like the Punisher's face was completely healed up in his Steve Buscemi scene, which would suggest a significant amount of time had passed even from earlier in the episode?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

jng2058 posted:

Eh, that's what a good editor is for...to take the new writer's rough iron and hammer it into steel. My first published piece was seriously rewritten by my editor, but once I quit being butthurt about it and really read the finished product I learned a lot about how to do the job. Hopefully Karen will learn that too.

Well the suggestion was that what we heard was what was actually printed, I get the feeling the writers thought that what they had Karen write really was that good :shrug:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Mover posted:

Punisher season one is also The Wire season six

Punisher vs Zombie Omar. David Simon sits in a room quietly weeping.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

All I ask, the only thing I want more than anything else in this show, is that at some point Matt walks into the office Christmas Party wearing a sweater that says,"I AM NOT DAREDEVIL"

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

net cafe scandal posted:

The Blacksmith plot line was bad and the way Frank took out Blacksmiths men was lame.

That said, I loved the way they resolved the Frank/Blacksmith confrontation.


"Go ahead, this is like a candy store to you, have your fu-"
Punisher shoots him in the face.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Subvisual Haze posted:

More than anything it was shocking to see him be such a dick to his best friend and not even try to reconcile things. Every other comic book TV show or movie would end with them forgiving each other and something something the power of friendship. Kudos to the show with the breaking the mold there.

I actually just assumed (pure speculation on my part here, I don't know what else is going on casting or storywise for other shows) that this was done this way purely to have Foggy around in the next season of Jessica Jones without having to shoehorn in Matt or explain why he wasn't around.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

notthegoatseguy posted:

I think it might serve as both. Foggy has gone and done his own thing before in the comics before, as has Matt. Matt, for example, is currently a deputy prosecutor for the District Attorney in the comics.

Jessica Jones S2 might also need a few attorneys to clean up the mess. I'm kind of interested as to how Hogarth managed to not get disbarred since she killed her ex-wife while under Purple Man's influence, especially since Hogarth even says that no jury in the world would believe mind control.

I believe earlier in the season Foggy's ex (I feel terrible that I can't remember her name... Marci?) mentions that the DA is looking to come down harder on vigilantes, and I believe she namedrops Jessica Jones during the conversation as somebody under investigation?

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Hogarth offering to make Foggy a named partner was the most unrealistic thing about this whole season.

I assumed she just meant they wanted him badly enough to put him on the partnership track, as an incentive to bring him onboard.

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