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El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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If you're good with water effects you can always make it look like the water is being swirled around her.

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El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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The Impaler posted:

How would you do this? Let it dry for a few hours, then push it around with something into a new shape?

Usually you use water effects gel, hot glue or clear acrylic caulk to lay down the ripples on the ground and then you apply the slow set water over the top of it. I mean since in this case its a swampy algae filled marsh you could make the circles by making little concentric berms that radiate out from her using the flock/dirt mixture and then do a bunch of still water coats over that. It depends how "deep" you want the ripples to look like they're going and how harsh you want the perceived force that's making them to seem.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Shadin posted:

Sorry if this has been covered, this is a big thread to dig through.

My first minis I was spraying with Chaos Black, which I know is overpriced but it did seem to work really well. However now it's been hot/humid as gently caress so I stopped by the GW shop on my way home from work and got a pot of the Imperial Primer. It went on fine but I've noticed that it chips off so easily, I can even take it off with a fingernail. The Chaos Black spray on the other hand is on there solid and can't be removed in the same fashion. Is this expected behavior of a paint on vs spray on undercoat or did I gently caress something up?

The potted Imperial Primer isn't actually a primer it's a color match for the black spray primer. Just use Rusto 2X flat black primer (not paint and prime).

SRM posted:

Is there anything I should keep in mind when painting MDF? Is there anything special I'll need to do to prep it or paint it?

You need to let the MDF "drink" because other wise it will absorb all the water based paint you use. I'd recommend use a real deal primer like Kilz to stop it from absorbing everything. Otherwise you should do a few coats of primer.

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El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Vlaada Chvatil posted:

Is there such a thing as true black/grey static grass? I'm trying an experiment with monochrome, but all the images for black static grass on Amazon are very hard to discern detail

Edit: It's fabric based, isn't it? Could I RIT dye some white flock?

Ok so, I was messing around with some of this recently because I wanted to do a monochrome nightfighting scheme for my FoW army. I gave up because OSL in 15mm is really a lot harder than I thought it would be. But anyways what I did was use dill weed that I dyed black with artist ink. This works a lot better than doing a traditional static grass because when you do mono schemes you want that really stark contrasting shading on everything and once you dye the dill you can drybrush it with grey/white to get a good stark look while static grass doesn't paint that well in my experience.

If anyone would be interested in me writing up something on making your own flock/basing materials I could do that. As someone may remember I was in the process of starting a company that was going to be the only company making biodegradable/renewable resource/ethically sourced basing materials a few years back but we had someone basically steal all of our seed money and by the time we got it back everyone had moved on. Suffice to say the actual stuff they make basing materials out of is not terribly good for you to be in contact with on a regular basis and a lot of it is made from stuff that's not really that good for the environment (if that's a thing people care about).

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Vlaada Chvatil posted:

I've already got dill weed, so I guess I will dye it and see how that works. Thanks for the tip.

I, for one, would be very interested in hearing about your weird hippy basing material tutorials!

Ok so this is going to be a long post with a lot of images.

I generally use a few things to make my basing materials. There's a number of places you can source your stuff from, I use Mountain Rose Herbs so all the links are going to be to there:

For my dirt blend I generally use mostly walnut hull powder mixed with a very small amount of something slightly lighter in tone. I think this one is with some other fine ground bark or nut husk. Generally I favor husks, pits and barks because they retain their color better than organic material. I actually intentionally fade my grass and turf, but you'll have to either seal or dye them or they will fade because organic materials wash out with time:


For turf (non-static grass) I use a combination of Gymnema, Echinachea and Neem because they're all cheap, are very powdery and have good color. Boldo leaf is my chosen "filler" because it's very cheap and easy to dye. If I want to dye the turf I'll use a mixture of future, vallejo green ink and FolkArt moss green. Other times I'll just use a thin coat of GW or SW green wash. Generally I'd advise only using the dye on whatever the main bulk of your mixture will be and keeping the others "normal" in order to maintain a variety of colors and textures. This is the point where if you're going for a deep forest or jungle theme you would add in something with a chunkier leaf size, like various herbs you buy in the grocery or cheap green tea from tea bags.


As I mentioned earlier for static grass I use mostly dill weed. I tend to not use the stuff you get in grocery stores because the individual little hairs (or w/e you call them) are usually smaller than if you buy from a company that sells bulk herbs. I usually dust it with whatever I'm going to be using as turf as well to maintain some cohesion. If you want your grass to stay colorful you need to dye it. Sealing it will help it retain some of its color and tone but a good dye will be 100% effective. I generally split up the grass into several different bins and use different blends of ink in each one (usually green artists ink or Vallejo dark green, vallejo yellow green and other blends involving future and paint). Then after I dye them I mix them back together to form a blend with a variety of tones.


You can use inks, washes and water effects gel applied over them to vary your colors and tones. If you mix the walnut hull powder with water effects it forms a very viscous mud gel that you can use to spread on bases.
NWS This is a lighter blend for the dirt, favoring the boldo or senna over the walnut hull powders. It's then been colored using (IIRC) Vallejo Dark Brown ink and some very light drybrushing: http://i.imgur.com/3npRAmB.jpg

This is a base of dirt with some patches of 50/50 turf/dirt mix spread over it. Then I put down a bit of the drybrush color and followed that up with some light water effects:


A mix of the dirt with patches of flock again, a bit of dye has been used to vary the color of the dirt:


Speedpainted Celt with a base with a mixture of dirt, dyed turf and traditional basing sand:


Terribad WGF Viking. The logs are dried dandelion root:

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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GoodBee posted:

What do you do with 10-15mm fantasy?

Warmaster I would imagine.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Nebalebadingdong posted:

Reaper 20mm round

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/rpr74041.html

They're good bases for 15 mm stuff, but the demon world minis are sculpted onto 10mm round already. So I either remove that base or create an insert into the reaper base. Lotta extra work, so I would recommend looking for something else if get demon world minis.

The demon world and blight haven stuff at Ral Partha is really good overall. You can get single minis, command groups and hero collections for reasonable prices which are perfect for skirmish games.

Spackle/Wood filler/Pumice/Fiber Paste is what you want.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Plastic Glue only works on a very limited subset of plastics, there's lots of plastic like stuff it doesn't work on. Slow cure stuff like PP/Mantic restic is super glue only.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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You can strip them by using a very quick dunk in acetone. If you do it too long they get floppy tho. I've stripped a bunch of Heroclix this way.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Most compressors are pretty quiet but some do vibrate so you can hear them through floors even if they aren't loud from a decibel standpoint. Just avoid those Iwata ninja ones, I've known like five people who have burned through those things in the past year, they are real lovely.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Neurolimal posted:

Looks like my combo set was 80 bux and that was like half a year ago, so yeah that looks to be the normal-ish price.

Here's the set I got, since the other ones a diff brand:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001TO578Q/

Another nice bonus is that it already comes with all the little recommended accessories; airbrush holder, quick release cap, and a pressure regulator.

If I sound like a shill at this point, its just because I was that impressed that what is essentially a 20 dollar airbrush works so well and is so resillient.

They are OK airbrushes the main problem is that they don't stand up to disassembly at all and it's super easy to bend needles so you need to take paranoid good care of them. I have three airbrushes these days, a Paasche Talon, H&S Infinity and a Veda. The first two are amazing brushes but I still use the Veda all the time for doing bitch work. The Veda WD180 is a very decent brush for how cheap it is (usually under 40).

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Fyrbrand posted:

Here is a dumb thing I immediately purchased when I found it in the local grog hobby shop. Really, how could I not?







I would recommend highly reaper's other sharkman:
https://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/shark/latest/03493#detail/03493_w_1

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Everytime this comes up I end up writing some form of this rant, I think the last time was in the death thread or the botw thread:

GW and most other mainstream miniatures companies have greatly poisoned the idea of painting miniatures by going about teaching people the wrong ways. If you want good, TTQ miniatures then the kind of ultra technique focused high end tutorials pimped by basically every minis company that sells paints is the exact opposite of what you want. It's like deciding you want to paint a mural of Mickey Mouse in your kids bedroom and starting by taking a high level art class about impressionist water color technique. It's not just putting a cart before the horse, it's putting the entire NYC subway system, plus like three roadblocks and a police checkpoint.

You want to learn how to paint TTQ well, here's the important poo poo:

Brush Control:
Honestly this isn't as important as you may imagine, there's a lot of ways to get around sloppy paint applications but it helps a ton.

Color choice, tone and coherency:
Ok this is honestly the single most important thing ever when it comes to painting and the fact that NO ONE EVER MENTIONS IT RELATING TO MINIATURES is loving stupid and dumb. For this example we're going to use two great paintings that will serve our purposes well: Rembrant's The Night Watch and Rockwell's Southern Justice. Both of these are great works and share a really important element that helps carry over to miniatures: they have a very unified tone. All the colors in most of them shade to the same color (dark brown in each) . The Rockwell is more dramatic and the Rembrandt is more subdued but they both do this. This creates a very subtle but vastly important element within all the figures in the paintings: it makes them look like they belong near each other. Even though the figures in the Night Watch are wearing very different colors of clothing (black, brown, cream, blue, etc) they still maintain a subtle level of cohesion and fit together because the overall effect of shading everything to the same dark brown makes things look like they are lit by the same light source (which is dramatically played in the Rockwell as well). The other thing it does is draw your eyes to the bright elements of the painting that differ from the established tone. In the Night Watch it's the leader of the party, the man in cream who almost seems to be lit by an angelic glow emphasizing his importance. We don't need any context to know that he is without a doubt the leader of this party. In the Rockwell the element is the blood, which is itself drawn in a completely different almost startlingly realistic art style, making the painting itself look like blood has been splashed onto it, stretching the fourth wall between the subjects of the art and the people viewing it. This comes around when painting miniatures because so many times I see people who are competent painters choose color selections that clash horribly with each other and shade to not just completely different colors but completely different areas of the color wheel. You can generally assume you can get away with one color per mini that doesn't fit into your color theme, but you have to remember that whatever becomes that color is now the focal point or at least will draw attention. If you painted a figure in, lets say: ochre pants, a red shirt, black shoes, and accessories and belts in a darker brown leather then you'd be shading everything to a deep brown (or using a wash to get the same effect). You could then paint the feather in his hat, or his armband, or something of that nature a bright blue or green, which will add a nice pop of color.

Don't use too many colors:
I don't care if it's not realistic for all of your figures leather gear to be the same color, limited color choice reduces the amount of business your figure will have and how busy your figure can be is directly related to how good of a painter your are and if you're taking my advice you aren't there yet. But seriously, limit your colors, and make sure they go together, color wheels are your friend (but you can totally shade blue and green with dark brown, that's a thing!).

Washes, inks, dips, etc:
Like, seriously, this is how you should paint, the results are killer, especially if you choose your colors right. The only thing you have to do every time is make sure to USE MATTE VARNISH. Dipping without Matte looks like rear end, dipping with it looks amazing. Same with inks, same with washes, they all save time and will help you a lot. The most important part of these, honestly, is that they will help establish a division between the different parts of your mini, if you're not good at lining (IE leaving small amounts of darker color between larger areas of color) this will help break up big color swaths on your minis. But in all seriousness if you choose colors well and apply them decently, base coat -> dip -> base coat -> matte varnish will carry you far.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Chill la Chill posted:

See this whole rant is cool and good and filled with good advice. But wrt this portion: OTOH you can just say gently caress it and have all sorts of colors to make the eyes bleed.

These are my latest ships on my custom X wing mat.



Ok, but like, the dude who does JoJo actually proves my point. Just because something is garish doesn't mean it can't have on point color theory behind it. He does most things as a variation on Purple/Orange/Purple/Aqua/Neon Green which like the most garish color scheme imaginable, but they compliment each other really really well. And at least in a lot of the colorized stuff he keeps his colors to extreme minimums, stuff like how Stardust Crusaders era JoJo's clothing and hair is basically the same color.


Slimnoid posted:

Nah that's actually the go-to for speed painting a whole batch of models. Prime, basecoat, block out colors, then wash/dip.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRzmEtuufTw

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Dipping is a mug's game. There are better products to achieve better results without the mess or risk of wanking about with dips and woodstains.

Citadel shades, Vallejo washes etc.

This is actually not true, they are all very different products with extremely different attributes. Because of the way dips work with surface tension they are extremely hard to gently caress up in the way that inks and washes are. Low surface tension inks (IE "magic" ink/wash) are also in a similar state. Knowing exactly how much paint to use and how to spread it is extremely important for using washes, especially the citadel ones, because the large amount of matte medium and varnish in the wash can make a surface look extremely dirty if you over do it. Matte washes and matte ink (like vallejo ink, not like hand made ink or old school GW ink) also have a tendency to spread small amounts of pigment clumps across a surface if you don't know how to think them or if you don't have stellar brush control. Using a poly based stain or a product like army painter (which is way too expensive, but for it's faults is a poly based stain that color matches devlan mud which is not a commercially available product at home depot) will produce results with a more consistent distribution and blend between your high points and low points. Citadel washes are really great, but they honestly need decent brush control for good results and the difference between slopping on agrax and slopping on minwax (followed by a matte varnish) is pretty extreme. For basic utility painting I exclude anything that is predicated on decent brush control, paint thinning and the ability to figure out how to place shadows.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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El_Pato posted:

Yeah! I finally got a chance to work on it the last couple days. Thanks for asking.

It was an oily mess as expected. I cleaned it up and drained as much as I could before filling it with synthetic oil. It runs great (and super quiet) from what I can tell so far. The only thing that concerns me a touch is a hiss coming from a hole in the front of the regulator that stops if I put my finger over it.

Doesn't seem to be affecting the performance at all but I'm guessing I'll have to replace the regulator eventually (?) Seems easy enough.

The brush that came with it wound up being an Iwata HP-B. It was pretty gunked and had a bent tip. I think I've successfully rehabbed it and learned a lot in the process. Either way I wound up picking up a 105 new too so the iwata is just a backup.

Hose for the badger is coming today so I'll be getting down to work soon! Very excited, thanks again for the help goons

That's probably the OPRV on the regulator. It's bleeding off excess pressurized air.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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GreenMarine posted:

Are there any goon recommended commission painters? Say for larger projects?

Like, I'd like to recommend actual Goons, but if you want high quality painted minis at not an insane price you need to start thinking about sending your minis to Poland. If cost isn't an issue than there's several goons that do commissions but I don't know if any do full army. I'd also tell you to look into r/brushforhire as well.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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The GW snow is just Woodland Scenics but repackaged for 5 times as much.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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signalnoise posted:

There are two ways to use it that I've found effective, both of which you should varnish for.

1- Slather over like a wash for an entire contiguous area that is surrounded or filled with recesses. Forgive the shoddy painting otherwise, but this is an example I did.



This guy I basically covered with the stuff wherever there was a dip (like over the fingers and on the chain) or surrounding crevice (armor plates). Contrast with the rest of the figures in the below picture which are the same paint job except I haven't touched them with ink, excepting the chain net.



You can see it's especially good on pitted metallics.

2- If there's a very well-defined recess, you can fill a wash brush up with it and just touch the recess and let capillary action take over. Below is the type I'm talking about.



If the surface has been varnished (these weren't but should have been) then you can just wipe away the excess with a paper towel or cotton swab. Note that I don't actually have an example of this done with Didi's, and the above was done by slathering it with nuln oil. It would have been better if I had done what I said, as that kind of recess is exemplary of the application it's good for.

Holy poo poo mofugga buy some goddamn matte.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Don't buy GW sprays, they're extremely overpriced. You can buy better quality acrylic spray paint for significantly less. Just go get a can on Montana Gold and save twenty bucks.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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SRM posted:

If you're a nerd like me and care about 100% color match they're worth it in specific instances. The Macragge Blue spray has been a godsend for me and my 3000something points of Ultramarines. I wouldn't buy black or white from them or anything like that, but for specific cases like that it's totally worth it. If I was doing a Custodes or Sigmarine army in the typical gold I'd def grab a can of the gold. It's probably more sensitive because of the metallic flakes in it.

Actually it's just really poo poo gold spray paint that's been marked up. You'll get better coverage and a much finer flake on a Montana can then you will the GW. Also IDK what you're talking about because I've never seen one of their sprays that was an exact color match for their non-spray paint.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Please don't advocate people buy GW brushes, they are overpriced trash. You can go to any art store or hobby store and buy basic brushes that are miles better, even the basic Testors brushes are better and cost less.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Mierce makes good minis, I wouldn't give them money because their owner is huge scumbag thief, but the minis are nice.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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HardCoil posted:

Progresss on archoflagellants and Sgt. Angel. Normal archos are getting the same kind af claws as mr. Angel.




Everything still looks lumpy as hell, but it's fun to be back :)

Um, IDK why you're sculpting this, don't you know Hasslefree already makes a miniature of Sgt. Angel?
http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=officer-nick~hfa032&category=modern-%26%0D%0Apost%252dapoc~modern-adventurers

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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I find the best results are to paint the eye black and then apply a crescent of white with the open part of the crescent facing upwards:


but honestly in 28mm you don't really need to worry about pupils, it doesn't matter at that scale anyways as long as you heavily black line the edges of the eye:
NWS unless you work at the nekkid elf factory

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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grassy gnoll posted:

Here's a post exposing the depth of my ignorance, but I never thought to line the eye, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense at 28mm scale.

Are you lining the actual lids on the figure, or leaving a black line around the boundary of the cornea? Like, is this eyeliner or eyeshadow?

Usually what I do is paint the eye a medium grey (like for instance Reaper Concrete Grey or Vallejo London Grey) then hit the entire eye/socket with black wash and then go over the "body" of the eye with white or an extremely light grey. For actual make-up make-up I tend to use spot application of washes since honestly 28mm is way to small for makeup unless you exaggerate the hell out of it.

Unfortunately the only halfway OK example I have of a mini I've done actual makeup on is this Dark Eldar fig that I'm not super happy with:


The other thing you can do which I have seen done to OK success is to actually make a hole in the miniature for the pupil with the tip of a sewing needle or pin and then paint the entire eye white and use a very small amount of low surface tension ink (like magic wash) to get black to flow into just the hole.

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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goodness posted:

What's a good line of kingdom Death sized minis ? Doesn't have to be tied to a game, just looking for cool models to paint

Anima if you can find them

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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nesbit37 posted:

One more question for the thread today. I have a kobold bard character that just acquired a warg and I would love to make an accompanying mini. I doubt I am going to find a kobold mini mounted on anything, so what are you favorite small humanoid mounted on dog like creature miniatures that you are aware of? I am going to have to probably get a mounted goblin or halfling or something and mod the figure.

My proposal is that instead of converting something to be mounted you mount both your character and the warg to one base as if they are dismounted and fighting. The only reason I say this is because basically no one makes good mounted kobold minis and few people make good kobolds at all, so you're looking at buying expensive mounted goblins from someone like GW (holy poo poo the mounted LotR Warg Orc Characters, who would be perfect for conversions, are loving 40 dollars a pop!) and then getting a small kobold head from somewhere (probably clipped from a Reaper one) and attaching it which is going to be time consuming and cost $$$.

On the dismounted hand you can buy the bones warg for like four bucks and then spend 15 on something like this guy: http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/shop/index.php/miniatures/visions-in-fantasy-critters/horned-toad-assassin-with-crossbow.html

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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Skarsnik posted:

Aside from a couple of exceptions the 'new' washes are so much better than the inks ever were

Try them out instead of tracking down the coat d'arms stuff

They aren't anyway near the same things. Washes and inks are used for totally different painting techniques, one creates gradients while the other primarily fills depressions.

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El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

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This is good playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=playlist

My number 1 item of advice would be to not base your painting tech on people who are too good. That's like diving into traditional painting by starting to paint like Caravaggio. Faust is basically the miniature painting Bob Ross: simple clean style that's easy to pick up, lots of flexible and easy options for getting good results, extremely calm and soothing voice.

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