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Yes we should take everything someone who is mad and wants to be coddled says as 100% truth and agree that the st is a monster instead of trying to get more context. There is no chance at all the emotional goon could be making the story to make himself look better. Impossible really
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Pussy Cartel posted:Are we ignoring this ST's history of being a power-tripping rear end in a top hat in other situations, or are you really just this committed to your weird V5 ST supremacy gimmick How do we know that is the same dm? The first one is a weirdo for making him bark but thats for a gangrel not for the brujah that died.
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Aug 19, 2019 14:54
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thatbastardken posted:why does it matter? if the 'emotional goon' is exaggerating for dramatic effect who loving cares? Yall want to dog the st and say he/she is a psychopath but don't care if the post isn't completely factual? I just want a clearer picture before passing judgment but that's too much for this thread apparently
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Aug 19, 2019 15:07
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I'm just here to help my fellow vampire player out but how am I supposed to do that if all I know is he broke the masquerade (possibly multiple times) then he died? How many times did he gently caress up? Was there any dialogue before that PM with the st or any of the other players? What if the op is doing something that was ruining the fun of others and this was the st last resort to try to get through to him? What if the op did nothing wrong? No one can give him the proper advice if one mad post is all we have. But nope goon is right, st is a psycho, and v5 lover is wrong no matter what.
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Aug 19, 2019 15:28
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Anyways I'm in a group that's about to start a Chicago campaign and I'm going to have my vampire be in a huge debt with the Capone gang. Would that be a 2 dot flaw? I've already talked to my st about this but just want more opinions on this.
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Aug 19, 2019 15:35
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Metapod posted:Anyways I'm in a group that's about to start a Chicago campaign and I'm going to have my vampire be in a huge debt with the Capone gang. Would that be a 2 dot flaw? I've already talked to my st about this but just want more opinions on this. See I think it's a 2 dot flaw because there are other flaws said in the v20 book (v5 doesn't have enough flaws right now which is ashame) that are kinda like a debt but not really. So with it being a major debt to a gang I think it would warrant 2 dots.
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Aug 19, 2019 16:51
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Depends on what kind of debt. Have you considered maybe converting that debt into enemies? No that wouldn't work. Someone in my group wants to try being a st so he's going to do the pre built campaign in the Chicago by night book and that requires all the characters to know each other or at least know of each other beforehand. One of the other players is taking the Capone gang lore sheet so the debt is how my character will know him. The debt makes sense because my vampire has a gambling addiction so he would have lost a lot at some illegal poker game.
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Aug 19, 2019 18:03
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Top Hats Monthly posted:The level of debt would probably translate to dots. A two dot debt means that there are probably mafiosos looking for you and want to thump your skull, a one dot debt might deny you the ability to go on their turf. Chicago V5 is great when it comes to loresheets. Thank you for the feedback I'll definitely think about this. Yeah the Chicago book is very good
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Aug 19, 2019 18:28
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Relevant Tangent posted:murdering a PC over a masquerade violation, without getting them invested in that and getting the other PCs to swear eternal vengeance is poo poo storytelling and also poo poo Storytelling as in it's narratively unsatisfying and explicitly called out in every ST guide in every edition as Something Not to Do Yeah I agree with the first part but why are you assuming they aren't invested in it? Considering the op died by the hand of his own coterie member and was told afterward to stop loving up that more than implies that breaches are supposed to be taken seriously in his campaign.
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Aug 19, 2019 19:18
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Oberst posted:The real hosed up thing is the fellow coterie member being forced to execute their friend. Blitz got what he deserved but his coterie member shouldn't have had to kill his own friend. That's actually sorta hosed up. Roman style decimation poo poo Yeah idk what blitz could have done to elicit that type of execution but it had to be something serious before the club thing because its really hosed up
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Aug 19, 2019 20:22
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Joe Slowboat posted:Wait so your assumption is that the ST must be justified, and the poster must have done something Real Serious? That's not very parsimonious. There's no actual vampire leadership making rational decisions here. Just some people at a table, one of whom makes these calls. Yes I assume the person being told to stop loving up did something else. Now whether or not it was justified idk cause the op won't tell us what all happened
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Aug 19, 2019 21:24
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Omnicrom posted:Soonmot is totally on point here, by the V20 duo have gone into dedicated threadshitting mode and are absolutely not worth engaging. Report, ignore, move on. Lmfao someone doesn't agree with me gotta report to the wah wah police so I don't have to think about what I believe
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Aug 20, 2019 01:35
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a neat cape posted:Oh, my bad, sorry. I'd suggest getting your group to play v5
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Aug 20, 2019 02:53
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What happens to the nosferatu during the embrace that makes them so ugly?
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Aug 20, 2019 15:04
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Nessus posted:It's their clan weakness, lmfao. Try reading the drat book. Vampire is a good game Sorry just trying to fit in by being purposely ignorant to the game
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Aug 20, 2019 20:10
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Oh hell yeah another v5 liker has entered the chat
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Aug 30, 2019 05:02
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ogresque posted:practically speaking one tends to run out of people to play with its possible to have fun with people while everyone is purposely being dicks to eachother at times! it can lead to very funny situations!
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Aug 31, 2019 23:51
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also there's a mechanic to block the mind control!
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Aug 31, 2019 23:55
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Nessus posted:If only we were as wise and cool as you, a superior person who understands things better. Lol. Lmao. There is a middle ground between no dominate on players and always doing dominate on players!
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Sep 1, 2019 00:44
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Mendrian posted:Any time you take agency away from another player's character, they should be okay with it. Most gamers who play vampire are okay with a certain amount of that. But, "it's vampire get used to it" is not a good reason to do that. I get that the fiction of the setting suggests you "should" be allowed to do things that metatextually are probably jerm moves. The real people you play with are more important than verisimilitude. have you ever played a game before? not like vampire specifically just a game in general (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 1, 2019 04:55
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Mendrian posted:There are boundaries and a mature table tries to figure out what they are, while an unprepared table blunders into them until people quietly start hating each other. a mature table can handle someone using a mechanic in the game and not be whiny if it goes against them lmao. oh what i was getting at is that in any game not everything is dictated by how a player wants his/her story to go. if we were to play a game of basketball and you stole the ball from me i cannot just stand there and say hey you can't do that that's not right i would have to improve my ball handling and prevent you from stealing the ball from me. same with vampire if you dont want your vampire to be dominated improve your skills that make it harder for it happen!
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Sep 1, 2019 05:49
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Joe Slowboat posted:What is the point of a game of vampire, to you? What is the goal you're working towards? In basketball it's pretty simple: The core game-mechanical goal is to put the ball in the basket and prevent the other team from doing it to you. What do you see as the purpose of a player in Vampire, within the mechanics? to be the vampire. the goal is to roleplay your vampire's desires, ambitions, and convictions while doing the ever evolving story the ST creates. the purpose of the player is to play a character and to use the mechanics in the way he/she believes their vampire would.
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Sep 1, 2019 06:09
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Mendrian posted:Would you allow a weird mind control fetishist to use your game for fap fodder and if not (I suspect not), why, if it were in-character? Would you bar that character from play in the first place? What is this insane extreme example you keep pushing. There's like miles of difference between no dominate use and this
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Sep 1, 2019 15:37
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Mendrian posted:I never said "no dominate use". if a player is not comfortable with a mechanic in the game that's pretty big for a lot of clans then it is probably the wrong game for them. AND THATS OKAY!!! no game is for everyone. Oberst posted:No one in here actually plays the games so it's hard to talk in anything but extremes that would never come up in an actual game *using mesmerize* you love dominate and you will dominate someone in this thread!
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Sep 1, 2019 17:11
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bah oberst rolled to well on his defense role and my dominate failedMendrian posted:You're shifting goalposts. You agree that the extreme example is ludicrous, but then jump to the conclusion that such players just aren't cool with Dominate 100% of the time. lol i'm not shifting goalposts dominate is good but both extremes are bad just like everything in this world and in the world of darkness. why do you think just because you use dominate on a player its a pvp? like for example in my campaign my character signed a bad contract(rolled terribly when reading the contract) from a npc that another player character took me to and i went to retaliate against this npc but it turns out the npc was a touchstone so in order to protect his touchstone he used dominate on my character to prevent my character from retaliating. that's not pvp or wrong thats just smart. lol why are you asking permission in the middle of the scene nice metagaming
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Sep 1, 2019 18:56
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Omnicrom posted:Should you examine their posting records (don't do this), you'll quickly realize neither Oberst nor their alternate form Metapod generate good discussion, post in good faith, or really post good at all. The correct thing to do is block and ignore the "pair" of them (pair is in quotes because they pop up at the same time to post exactly the same garbage with the exact same garbage posting style, to the extent I'd be more surprised if they were two different people). lmfao i disagree with you so im not posting in good faith incredible
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Sep 1, 2019 19:13
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Old Boot posted:^^^ You really aren't. You're deliberately being dense about a really simple playstyle, and blanket-stating 'well maybe don't play vampire!!' is a flat-out stupid response to house rules. lmao if you switch my username to someone you liked you wouldnt be saying this at all. all this convo was is me saying using dominate on players for in character reasons is good and having to ask permission is incredibly dumb and childish and everyone who quoted me throwing a hissy fit how that takes away their player agency because they can't handle that vampires have agendas outside of the coteries agenda and those agendas should be acted upon. yeah play the game how you want to play but if you are going to gut core mechanics from the game why not just play a different game?
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Sep 1, 2019 23:05
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Old Boot posted:This is categorically false. Lol if you think this is aggressively bad just because its opposing and not outright agreeing
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Sep 2, 2019 02:49
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Praying for our Carolina gamers right now 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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Sep 5, 2019 13:59
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Wait you're telling me the guy who refused to answer my question might not be telling the whole story!
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Sep 5, 2019 17:31
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drat if only there were posters who figured this out earlier and were trying to point it out but were attacked for dare suggesting blitz7x was part of the problem.
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Sep 6, 2019 14:46
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Kurieg posted:If only there were a way for you to express yourself without being an insufferable rear end in a top hat That's your loss baby Oberst posted:Have you considered not being so sexy? Wtf is wrong with you
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Sep 6, 2019 15:15
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Pouring one out for our WoD friend oberst. He loved vampire
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Sep 7, 2019 14:22
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Lol aristocratic parasite
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Sep 9, 2019 14:22
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Naoto Shirogane posted:
Yeah my group uses discord for voice and roll20 for the dice and it works wonderfully
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Sep 9, 2019 15:47
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:I get the impressions that earlier systems had intended much more time to be spent on the role play of feeding, but I guess player groups breezed over it so much V5 has abstracted it to a single roll more or less? Interesting how the audience shapes the designer's vision. Feeding takes many rolls if you don't have a herd
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Sep 9, 2019 15:51
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Gobbeldygook posted:I don't recommend trying to actually play out feeding because it runs you head-long into the problem of how the gently caress the masquerade works for people who don't either subsist off animals or have three dots of Dominate. ......... feeding is an important part of being a vampire
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Sep 9, 2019 21:23
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moths posted:Eating is an important part of being a human, but it's also boring AF to watch other people do. ¿¿¿Watching people eat and review things is a very popular genre of video have you never watch robert Dyer??? Ah its because it's a v5 mechanic not because it's a bad mechanic that you think it's bad I see
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Sep 9, 2019 21:51
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moths posted:No it's a stupid way to burn table time, and would be in any game because it's typically an uneventful individual activity. Not everything in a tabletop game is going to be a Michael Bay movie filled with action! Blood is very important for a vampire and you need to be able to get it! The feeding mechanic does a good job balancing getting blood easy and having a chance where poo poo goes crazy. I'm sorry your group has weird creeps who cant make feeding entertaining in the slightest.
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^^^ exactly moths st is badmoths posted:Exactly nobody is saying any of this! How are there any individual character growths if there are no individual narrations?
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