Alien (feat. Predator and David): as Chairman Mao teaches us

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Do you like Alien 3 "Assembly Cut"?
	Yes, Alien 3 "Assembly Cut" was tits.
	No, Alien and Aliens are the only valid Alien films.
	Nah gently caress you Alien 3 sucks in all its forms.

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General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

He says he�s not here to make friends, and the black goo makes him unfriendly. That, see, that�s irony.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2018 04:01

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 04:18

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Jesus I feel genuinely awful for her (yes, I know she's a fictional character, allow me my empathy). It'd be one thing if she finished Prometheus screaming and struggling like the Covenant protagonist, knowing she's in for some really bad poo poo. But the whole ending of Prometheus, the music, the cinematography, everything 'agrees' with Shaw that she's headed off to bravely discover the secrets of creation. At least the Aliens characters got to die in their sleep.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2018 21:50

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Did the alien eggs in Covenant come from Shaw? That seems like the most :alien: possible origin for the xenomorphs.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2018 21:56

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

There is no question in my mind that thing is working with the alien.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2018 22:36

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

I dunno, you could drop any of them into Generation Kill and they�d fit right in. I�d love to hear Bill Paxton�s response to schoolkid letters.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2018 21:52

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Xenomrph posted:

She should have windmill-dunked it into a trash can.

She should have lobbed it over her shoulder into a basketball hoop.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2018 19:00

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Alien: Transaction

# ¿ Mar 12, 2019 02:17

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

I'm watching the Alien 3 Special Edition for the first time in years and holy poo poo this montage of Newt's funeral and the alien being born from the ox is cash. It's a cold cruel movie coming after Aliens, but taken on its own terms it has a lot to offer so far.

# ¿ Oct 13, 2019 20:14

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Alien 3 is pretty good but like Covenant it�s far better before it turns into running around getting picked off by the alien. Give me more weird religious imagery and Charles Dance acting!

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 17:49

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

The only thing wrong with Covenant was forcing the xenomorph into it. It�s a good Lovecraft movie. The polish painter guy aliens were cool. David�s chilling. I want more of David�s No Good Lovecraftian Abomination Planet and I�m sad we won�t get it.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2020 23:34

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Owlbear Camus posted:

According to people more in the know than me it wasn't an engineer city but a planet full of another seed race. That's why they all came out to meet the horseshoe ship, it was like Quetzalcoatl's return to them.

But they have an even larger horseshoe ship! So huge!

Gargamel Gibson posted:

The what?

The neomorphs/protomorphs/whatever they're called seem inspired by Zdislav Beksinski. I like them a lot!

# ¿ Feb 3, 2020 22:42

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Breetai posted:

Also maybe don't have people who were freaking the gently caress out about their situation five minutes earlier suddenly coo gently at a horrific space cock exhibiting a clear threat display.

Prometheus is not a movie about rational agents in a tactically real simulation. It's about people getting what they want in the worst way. The biologist wanted to meet an alien, he thinks he's in Star Trek. Plus he's gay for the rock guy so he's excited to meet a big erection.

Prometheus is a pretty funny movie. I like when they find a severed alien head so they plug it into some wires and it screams and explodes.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2020 23:37

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

The mission is so hushed up and secretive that nobody involved knows what it's about until they're at the destination. (Not even Shaw and her boyfriend, ultimately.) Who would sign up for a completely blind journey into deep space? Probably not the best and brightest.

# ¿ Feb 4, 2020 04:18

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Man Covenant is really good right up until the xenomorph arrives to fight a crane. I really hope we get more David.

My only real disappointment is that there�s not much of a covenant in Covenant. I would�ve loved to see David tempt a shattered Oram with the promise of a new god to follow and a worldly paradise if he only brought his colonists down to settle.

# ¿ Feb 8, 2020 09:29

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

What's kinda weird about the turret scene is that the aliens must have a hard limit on the number of soldiers they can produce (unless they're recycling corpses for new facehuggers, ew). You'd think they'd be a little more spendthrift compared to 'real' insects.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2020 20:32

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

That makes a lot of sense!

# ¿ Feb 14, 2020 20:54

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

its really amazing how the actions of prometheus crew and scientists are so freaking far beyond the pale that its actually impossible for a bystander to believe

proposal: find my creator and ask for more life

reality: a thirty thousand year old albino bodybuilder beats me to death with the severed head of my android son

proposal: use biology skills to impress my geologist crush

reality: i choke to death while fellating an alien snake

proposal: a life support module to keep me alive

reality: i step out the door and am instantly crushed under the inexorable wheel of a gigantic alien juggernaut

proposal: meet my creator

reality: an insane narcissistic old man, the steve jobs of synthetic person products, spends a trillion dollars to fly me into deep space with a crew of idiots and his unacknowledged daughter so that i can blow up god's decapitated head in a microwave. my idiot robo racist boyfriend impregnates me with a squid baby which i must cut from my living belly and sic upon my divine creator to father an abomination

proposal: continue to seek out my creators, the engineers

reality: the head of android jeffrey dahmer escapes my duffel bag and exterminates the entire engineer species in a sickening biological holocaust

proposal: a 'perfect organism'

reality: a man follows david down into abandoned catacombs. taking a torch from the wall he spies row upon row of eggs lying in wait. grasping the nearest one by the flaps he shakes it madly yelling "david what do you believe in"

# ¿ Feb 16, 2020 00:37

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Aliens is a variation on a typical zombie narrative - a centrist version of Romero's Land Of The Dead. The story is basically that workers in a corporate facility are pushed to hastily obtain a valuable resource, which leads to preventable accident that causes them to become sick. As in 28 Days later, the workers are 'infected with rage' and turn against their employers. (You can see some relevance today with people being pushed back to work prematurely under Covid-19.)

Cameron's thesis is that companies like Weyland-Yutani can prevent these sorts of incidents - and therefore profit more in the long term - if they adopt practices to ensure a baseline happiness with their workers. Just look at the necessity of writing off this facility, with its substantial price tag. Better treatment of the workers now will prevent having to (ex)terminate them in the future.

But Weyland-Yutani is already 'a good company'. Their android is programmed for political correctness. They had safety policies in place, which Burke violated. They could have done more, in gradual a sort of way (more caution around sites, taking care not to hire criminals like Burke, etc.), but no radical change is necessary.

There's never any question that the revolting workers needed to done away with, and Ripley heads back to Earth so that she can be reinstated as a high-ranking crewman on a Weyland-Yutani freighter.

Is Alien 3 the radical prison reform/salvation through Jesus break from this centrist narrative? I�m not trying to be facetious, genuinely curious to read your take.

It never occurred to me how Alien 3 involves Ripley losing her adoptive daughter, having sex, and then getting pregnant. Man this series is hosed up in a fascinating way.

# ¿ May 3, 2020 04:22

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Neo Rasa posted:

It's a (probably not even consciously done) soft recon because LOL if you think a big budget movie in the 80s is going to have the message that "corporations are evil and kill anyone for a percentage point" and not "corporations are necessary forces for the development of civilization it's a shame there's some bad apples in there that are greedy Burke."

Edit: Building Better Worlds sorry lol

Robocop came out in 1987.

# ¿ May 4, 2020 00:03

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

CelticPredator posted:

It�s not really a hot take. Peter was more of a villain in Prometheus. But his one scene in Covenant is maybe my favorite scene in the entire alien series due to how much poo poo is going on there.

It's so good.

# ¿ May 7, 2020 02:04

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Low Desert Punk posted:

where does Ripley fit in the reading of Aliens as a corporation quelling an organizing labor force

She's more concerned with taking care of her nuclear family so she sells out the strikers? Seems to work well, and pays off nicely in A3 and Resurrection.

# ¿ May 9, 2020 16:06

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

e: lol ^^^

Killing Hicks and Newt sucks if you're a fan of Aliens (and I am) but it kind of owns as a decision for the general Alien universe, where things range from "God is indifferent and cruel and you are meat" to "God hates you, personally."

Aliens is really the outlier.

# ¿ Jun 23, 2020 21:13

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Alien 3 is kind of about theodicy only its take on God seems to be �he doesn�t exist and we�ll all die trying to do the right thing but you gotta try anyway.� Or maybe it�s the xenos who are coded as God and Ripley crucifies herself to destroy Jesus.

# ¿ Jun 23, 2020 21:56

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Neither David nor Ash seem to be able to do the deed (although I'm just inferring this on Ash's part, based on his phallic rolled up porn magazine).

# ¿ Nov 28, 2020 18:13

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

He pissing in Guy Pearce's tea lmao

# ¿ Nov 29, 2020 20:46

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

When I was a kid my dad would sing (to the tune of the the jared subway pedo jingle) "Here comes the carbo kid, he'll grow as big as an oil rig" whenever I ate pasta. Now I am dragged around by a modified Lockmart CM-88B Bison M-Class commercial towing vehicle.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2020 02:14

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Wait a loving minute, if that thing the Nostromo is hauling is a refinery, why are they bringing it BACK to Earth? Couldn't you just leave it somewhere and let it refine and then just haul the refined poo poo faster and cheaper?

Something about this company doesn't add up!

# ¿ Dec 16, 2020 02:16

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

banned from Starbucks posted:

Maybe wherever it was got stripped of all its ore or whatever and it's time to bring it back and send it somewhere else.

This checks out, thanks MUTHUR, I feel better. Now let's talk about the bonus situation.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2020 03:44

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

The Christ-child is born from a virgin 'mother' at the end so it's pretty Christmasy!

I'm assuming all Engineers are virgins because they don't have any women.

# ¿ Dec 26, 2020 16:49

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

well why not posted:

If anyone is curious about it, Alien Isolation is discounted on steam at the moment. It�s (so far) very accurate to the original film. Lots of steamy rooms, chunky buttons and buzzy CRT screens. I�ve only seen the titular alien once or twice in a couple hours - even has the slow burn pacing.

It's an incredible piece of atmosphere but I found it SO stressful I just couldn't keep going.

# ¿ Dec 30, 2020 18:44

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Xenomrph posted:

Bishop does not represent the Company, he is USCM property.

But he literally represents the Company in Alien Alien Alien, the third Alien film.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 03:34

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

I must say that as an American in the 21st century I am not convinced that "corporate product in service to the military which is doing a mission to check on the corporate colony" is much different from "corporate agent".

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 03:59

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Xenomrph posted:

He�s only a �corporate product� in the sense that a corporation originally made him and sold him to the military. Lockheed Martin makes fighter jets, but they don�t decide where those jets are deployed or what they do - their control over the jets ends when they�re handed over to the military. Likewise, Colt makes M-16s but does not decide who they�re fired at.

I don't mean to be snide but there's a reason "military-industrial complex" has become a cliche. Can you really say Halliburton or KBR are just passive contract receivers? That they have no influence on where the US military goes or what it does?

Trying to paint the Colonial Marines and their equipment (including artificial persons) as something completely beyond the influence of Weyland-Yutani feels like a stretch to me.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 05:17

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Very convenient that Bishop brought the alien queen onto the Sulaco. I smell a rat.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 05:41

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

banned from Starbucks posted:

Just rewatched Covenant and the sequence from when they land on the planet to when David appears with the flare is some of the best most intense poo poo in any Alien film.

Yes I wish the whole movie had been more of this instead of Xenomorphs. Give me the planet of atrocities!!!!

# ¿ Mar 26, 2021 01:33

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

I really like the decision to take the alien back to its more bipedal origins. It's so unnerving to see it upright and behaving like a person. It has this odd curiosity about it in the original Alien, like it wants to play with its food.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2021 01:37

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

It's gotta be good.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2021 03:27

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Unfortunately I think women alone with Fassbender have received the David treatment in the past.

I always think about that when he�s onscreen as David and as disgusting as it is it to say it kind of adds to his performance. Something perfect but not human and full of rage.

Not that I think wife beaters should be cast as androids. His amazing acting doesn�t cancel out his past.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2021 19:03

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

The Spaihts script is more �logical� but also quite dire. A bunch of chest bursting and alien shooting like we�ve seen a thousand times. There�s an ultramorph (do not steal) and David reprograms himself to be mustache twirling evil by learning trinary instead of binary.

# ¿ Mar 29, 2021 16:35

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 04:18

General Battuta: Feb 7, 2011; This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

I know a lot of women who had their first Queer Awakening from the Ripley/Call dynamic (even more than Janeway/Seven on Star Trek). I don't think this speaks to the artistic merit of the movie at all but at least Sigourney Weaver's performance choices were working for someone.

Shame about Whedon being Whedon.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2022 18:02

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