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Furia posted:No, but people itt would like you to believe that is the only possibility Oh yeah, Pence and Rubio are just totally coincidentally agitating publicly for more violence. What kind of idiot thinks that is at all recognizable to past incidents where it turned out that intervention was exactly what the US had been doing the whole time?
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Well we've heard extensive details in this thread about why life is utter poo poo in Venezuela, which are really obvious reasons why people there would protest and/or oppose the Maduro government...but the CIA did things so clearly all that suffering is in fact the most ingenious camoflauge for an influence op. Which only I, Valiant Proletarian Warrior of the Red Internet Basement Guards, can recognize. the idea that a US backed coup would increase the quality of life for Venezuelans is not supported by the historical record of US backed coups
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Jan 23, 2019 23:14
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Furia posted:Good thing nobody in this thread wants a US backed coup Majorian posted:Rick Scott is calling on the U.S. to put Venezuela on the list of countries that sponsor terrorism. NOT A COUP! REPEAT! THERE IS NO U.S. INTERVENTION GOING ON ATM
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Jan 23, 2019 23:16
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It's just so weird how all these high level US officials all happen to say the same things at the same times. It's wild how some irresponsible posters draw conclusions about some kind of 'organized plot' from there.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:07
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themrguy posted:wanting thousands to starve to own the libs Anyone who wanted venezuelans to stop starving had plenty of time to be opposed to the US sanctions that were literally starving venezuelans
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Jan 24, 2019 00:11
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uninterrupted posted:Maduro was elected president and guaido was not. Yeah but us USAmericans dont like him so how can he be democratic?
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-gold/venezuela-gold-holdings-in-bank-of-england-soar-on-deutsche-deal-sources-idUKKCN1PF1Z8 UK joins in the fun by mulling over the theft of Venezuela's gold reserves which, fun fact, are being used to buy food also, Boots Riley fuckin owns
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fnox posted:Iraq was better off with him in charge?
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Jan 24, 2019 00:34
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Truga posted:I really want to know why people are arguing over this though. Literally nobody in here wants an intervention, so various posters are building random strawmen to attack instead? It seems as though many people in this thread are heavily invested in either or both of A) Denying the role of historically imperialist powers like the USA/UK in aggravating conditions in Venezuela and gearing up for soft or direct intervention B) Justifying the need for intervention in a manner remarkably similar to what happened in the early 2000's with Iraq
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Jan 24, 2019 00:39
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420 Gank Mid posted:It seems as though many people in this thread are heavily invested in either or both of Norton the First posted:Whereas you are heavily invested in Honestly I could not write satire this on the nose if I tried haha
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Jan 24, 2019 00:45
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Norton the First posted:easy for you to point to the exact US sanctions that are causing Venezuelans to starve
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Jan 24, 2019 00:51
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fnox posted:Which, dumbass. List them. You're the guy who thought iraq was better post invasion (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://twitter.com/mattvbrady/status/1088182782289895424GreyjoyBastard posted:you're not even loving trying, are you fact checking interventionists has never worked before though so why bother? 420 Gank Mid fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jan 24, 2019 |
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Jan 24, 2019 00:56
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fishmech posted:Please state what actions you're talking about. You should be able to do that if they exist. Also reminder that "regime change" is a meaningless buzzword so please talk about things that actually happened in Venezuela. Yeah, that thing the US has stated as an explicit goal in Venezuela and in dozens of other countries they dont like the local governments is a meaningless buzzword and doesn't really exist. Nailed it in one buck.
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Jan 27, 2019 23:18
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Munin posted:Nice to see that you're consistent in your love of faux-populist authoritarians. You seem to be slightly less enthusiastic about the more popular one though. If Nicolas Maduro won the democratic party primary and ran against Donald J. Trump for president in 2020 who would you vote for?
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Feb 17, 2019 10:01
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Dismissing journalists because they arent white americans isnt impressive to most people.
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Feb 18, 2019 08:29
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zapplez posted:If the majority of the citizenship of any dictatorship says they are in crisis and want aid or backing for a free and fair election, yes the rich countries should help. Blockading, instigating a civil war in, bombing, or invading a country do not count as 'help'
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Mar 4, 2019 08:18
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Rust Martialis posted:Let's hope none of the above happens, then? Venezuela is accepting aid from independent international organizations and countries not trying to stage a coup of their government
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The next time someone asks me why "I dont see race" is dumb and racist I can just link them this thread
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predicto posted:Eventually you too will get weary of refuting the obvious tankie bullshit, and you will stop bothering to respond every time the same tired old poo poo is wheeled out the way everyone else has (certainly all the Venezuelans except poor Chuck Boone), and the tankies finally will achieve the total thread mastery that is their sole raison d'etre. Aren't tankies supposed to be the ones in favor of regime change and military interventions?
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:truly, impossible to untie this gordian knot. Which is why America keeps resorting to the Alexander method
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Mar 13, 2019 00:42
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fishmech posted:What's even the point of pretending it's legit that Venezuela currently has no issues with food or anything? That would mean there'd be no reason to, say, remove sanctions. Other than their gross immorality and the hilariously awful track record of american imperialism in latin america you mean
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Mar 30, 2019 20:05
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Kobayashi posted:Indefensible cruelty by the United States against the citizens of Venezuela, and people who oppose ending the sanctions are complicit. It's amazing how setting up an economic blockade of an entire country could have knock-on effects like this, surely no one could ever have seen this coming!
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Apr 27, 2019 01:32
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Pharohman777 posted:Yeah, the sanctions hurt people, and maduro made it so much worse with his policies and screaming that nothing was wrong and denying aid. Venezuela has accepted aid from every country and international organization not actively coup'ing their government though. If Pence and Guaido wanted that aid in Venezuela they could have just asked Red Cross to deliver it
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Apr 27, 2019 01:38
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Discendo Vox posted:Again, this is a lie, and it's a lie we've already discussed in depth. From 2018: How does venezuela refusing aid from nations trying to overthrow their government make what I said a lie exactly? Of course they would refuse US Aid. The problem a lot of people like you have is in realizing that the USA is not the only other country in the world aid can come from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNpR2mN5LdE Throwing around words like "lie" when you yourself seem to have such a selective blindness when it comes to this issue is a bad look. zapplez posted:The standard response for years has been "We don't even need aid, everything is fine". 420 Gank Mid fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Apr 27, 2019 |
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zapplez posted:Are you just trolling at this point? Pretending that Maduro is categorically refusing all aid is just ignoring reality.
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Rust Martialis posted:Uh, one armored car running over a few people is not 'masses of tanks'. I mean it's horrific, but no need to exaggerate like the 'THEY'RE LYNCHING BLACKS' claim. Except they actually do lynch black people.
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Jack2142 posted:Telesur is headquartered in Caracas and was founded as a mouthpiece propaganda outpost by Hugo Chavez about a decade ago. William Randolf Hearst proved once and for all that all privately owned media is 100% trustworthy and reliable without ulterior motives no siree.
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May 11, 2019 23:24
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Shaocaholica posted:If Uber eats refuses to deliver to your self imposed prison that’s not really being starved. Well maybe by white people standards. https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1126257716807262208
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May 16, 2019 01:21
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Shaocaholica posted:White privilege vs white privilege sure is entertaining. "Jessie Jackson has white privilege" is a nuclear take
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May 16, 2019 04:07
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Shaocaholica posted:Jessie Jackson isn’t the only person outside protesting is he? Jesse Jackson, famous for fighting on the side of White Privilege
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May 16, 2019 05:15
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GreyjoyBastard posted:What can he do nefariously with the embassy that he can't do without? I dont think Guaido is detatched from reality enough to still believe he's ever going to be in charge of Venezuela. So he'll probably just poo poo up the place out of spite in between a few photo-ops standing in front of the only government building of Venezuela he wont be politely shuffled away from.
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May 17, 2019 00:57
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Discendo Vox posted:Still not an illegal seizure peak liberalism has been reached (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 23, 2019 04:01
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Vanessa Neumann this tweet was still getting angry gusano replies months later https://twitter.com/Manuchobi/status/1113065013579702274 https://twitter.com/Manuchobi/status/1113069497294950400
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May 23, 2019 04:12
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Who was the goon who posted "What's an Afro-Venezuelan????" While claiming to be from Venezuela?536 posted:I don't know if a mass of soybeans would solve the hunger in Venezuela but nothing Maduro has done has shown that he would accept aid in mass from the USA anyways. If the US wanted to deliver aid they could just give it through the Red Cross or any number of neutral NGO's but then they cant sneak in guns and explosives for the death squads they're supporting.
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May 28, 2019 02:06
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fnox posted:Maduro is worse than Pinochet. That's how you interpret it. Absolutely incredible. What exactly has Maduro done that's even remotely comparable to the mass killings, rapes, and other domestic terrorism of the Pinochet regime?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Is the whole, 'The Cubans and Lebanese are involved in Venezuela!' supposed to be damning in some way? It gets brought up constantly along side assurances that Maduro is isolated from the international community. Does it just play differently to a US audience? Its racism OP 
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M. Discordia posted:Periodic reminder that the U.S. is now the largest oil producer in the world and since the spread of fracking and tar sands exploitation the notion that anyone gives a poo poo about traditional oil extraction in Venezuela is ludicrous. "War for oil" was a naive misunderstanding of Cheney's motivations in 2003 and alleging it has anything to do with the free world's position on Venezuela in 2019 is about as up-to-date as claiming that people dislike Maduro because their milkman told them to. This post from 2000 AD has aged poorly
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uninterrupted posted:The US overthrowing governments in South America always end badly full goddamn stop. Obviously there are issues with the Venezuelan educational system if you don’t understand that. This time it'll be different. Lucy is gonna hold that football firmly in place and I'm gonna kick it right through that goal.
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