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Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Constant Hamprince posted:

When you can't even write up a paragraph to accompany the vzanalysis drivel you only make it obvious that your heart's just not in it, Jimmy. You could at least source something from RT, spice up that bland chavista agitprop with some exotic Kremlin FUD.
I was going to make a joke about Fars News but I got distracted by the fact that Venezuela's ambassador to Iran is named Amenhotep Zambrano.

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Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

fnox posted:

Like what the gently caress is going through their collective heads right now?
That political game in Venezuela has changed dramatically.

Chavez was a populist who built the PSUV, and everything else in Venezuela, around himself. He had a cult of personality, and all that mattered in politics was being part of it. All politicking was internal to the party. If Chavez said you were to elected, that was all you needed. Any ability to politic outside the party, or even govern effectively, was unnecessary. If the PSUV follow the normal trend of such parties ability was actively punished.

Now a bunch of guys who spent their careers on internal politics are getting gooned by a bunch of opposition politicians who actually know how to do things like campaign.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Comrayn posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/961969524630347776

Part of me says he must know this does nothing but serve Maduro, part of me says he just wants to invade as many countries as possible.

He doesn't give a poo poo about Maduro or Venezuela or invading anything. He's a senator from FL pandering to rich anticommunist Cubans.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

MullardEL34 posted:

As part of the sanctions imposed after Sunday's "election", the US has frozen all of Diosdado Cabello's US financial and business assets, and Marco Rubio is trolling him on twitter.
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/997564523191128065
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/22/rubio-venezuela-trump-plot-602658
Oh hey one of my senators did a thing that isn't totally shameful.

Weird.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

I wouldn't be surprised if Polar is on a very short list of people/organizations in Venezuela that still have good credit and can import things.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

NPR was reporting this morning that government sources say the drones were stopped by jammers, which would seem to explain things pretty well.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Furia posted:

That’s... surprisingly reasonable, if unconfirmed (also why would the drone just blow up and not crash like the other one did?).

Although it raises some other questions it seems like the best explanation we have so far.

e: though the minister’s explanation sounds like total bullshit

If your drone and your bomb are on two different remotes what jams one may not jam the other. if you lose control of your drone detonating the bomb and hoping for a golden bullet makes some kind of sense.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Party Plane Jones posted:

I'm a bit surprised they didn't go the same route that Houthi's did/are doing in Yemen: The Patriot batteries in SA can move but effectively hadn't in 20 something years so they just programmed the GPS coordinates into drones and set them on collision courses filled with explosives.

Then again that might have required advanced knowledge of where Maduro was going to stand.
That's a much more sophisticated attack. Guiding a couple drones in visually requires a lot less equipment, experience, and money. Commercial drones are basically idiot proof a there are about a thousand cellphone+grenade recipes on the internet.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Furia posted:

Right, but I mean there were two drones: one crashed and the other one exploded.

Now I’m speaking entirely out of my area of expertise but I’d presume that the control frequency would be at least somewhat similar across drones, just as it could be across the detonating devices used with the bombs, which were presumably bought at the same time from the same retailer and would likely be identical. So why would one of the drones explode while the other crashed? Why would only one of the bombs explode? Hell, why even go with a remote bomb?

I guess it’s possible that the jamming frequency triggered the bomb; then maybe the other bomb was not triggered but the drone crashed, as the other would have had it not exploded. But at this point it’s all maybe getting a bit contrived.
Homemade bombs are not notorious for reliability.

I don't find it at all convoluted that a mobile jammer could have interfered with control of consumer grade drones, but not interfered with whatever triggering system was controlling the bombs. It was also my impression that both bombs detonated, but only one was close to the crowd.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Corky Romanovsky posted:

Hasn't bellingcat been exposed as a propaganda outlet to support whatever bullshit the US, UK are trying to push?
Why don't you go ask him?

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

After the chinese civil war my dads entire family left for the US and started over. Whereas before they lived in ostentatious splendor. Must’ve not have been elites under the KMT then!
This explains so much.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

fnox posted:

What do you want from the people in this thread?
He's just killing time while he waits for everyone in the China thread to forget he's a racist moron.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

qkkl posted:

I think what he was trying to say was that if a news article came out describing Maduro's monastic diet people would criticize his monastic diet.
It's easy to criticize assholes.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

GladRagKraken posted:

To be fair to the argument that the steak discourse is bad, I came in here trying to figure out what's up with Venezuela and my first impression is that things must be going okay there because the only thing people are talking about is some dumb FOX news level poo poo like a steak dinner is a significant portion of the GDP. I'm slowly working backwards because I'm stubborn but y'all should know.
I assume this post was made from an alternate universe where Google doesn't exist. Because otherwise it is some incredibly lazy and entitled bullshit.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

This person appears to be an idiot but also NPR loving loves a war.

NPR is distilled upper class white neoliberism.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

PT6A posted:

I really doubt Maduro is quite dumb enough.
This has not historically been a winning bet.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

420 Gank Mid posted:

NOT A COUP! REPEAT! THERE IS NO U.S. INTERVENTION GOING ON ATM
Is Rick Scott posting ITT? Are you him?!?

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Furia posted:

e: beaten
I too am shocked that the senators from a state full of old Cubans are making pissy tweets about a nominally socialist Caribbean government. This can only be a coup. It is impossible they are engaging in meaningless pandering to their donor base.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Bathtub Cheese posted:

Simply asserting that the US is somehow irrelevant to the situation or will take no action to manipulate the political situation to its own ends is unpersuasive.
I refuse to believe my opinion doesn't matter! Don't you know how American I am?!

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Bathtub Cheese posted:

It's absurdly racist, delusional, and jingoistic to act like the US did nothing wrong in Latin America and there is no reason to believe they will in the future, actually, but nice try.
Anyone who refuses to debate me about Trump in whatever space I decide to Kramer into is obviously racist.

Why are there so many racists in this McDonald's PlayPlace?? Why will no one in the ball pit denounce Trump?

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Furia posted:

Or did you honestly believe that “hunger” was the end use for the cash?
TBF he was very hungry and desk empanadas don't pay for themselves.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

OneMoreTime posted:

Why does it always have to be a CIA-back coup? Like why can't it be like the Belgians or something?
It's a TSA backed coup.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

uninterrupted posted:

It’s the Supreme Court of Venezuela, it is the ultimate arbiter of Venezuelan law.
I'm pretty sure the CA can overrule the Supreme Court. Mostly because the CA has declared its powers to be whatever it says they are.

Not that it matters, because rule of law hasn't been a thing for a while.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

uninterrupted posted:

What do you call the American Civil War?
Is this some kind of weird "The South was technically correct, Lincoln was a tyrant" take?

Are you a John Wilkes Booth truther?

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

elgatofilo posted:

where is that constitution?
It is in the desk next to the empanadas

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Chomskyan posted:

I actually give zero fucks!

Heh, dance puppets!
:goonsay:

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

C.M. Kruger posted:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-idUSKCN1PN1DM


"and it better not bounce or you're a dead motherfucker!"
Wagner is getting into the debt collection game apparently.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

not a cult posted:

Maybe because they aren't posting from a time bubble suspended in 2002 and know what effects the Iraq war had on the ME.
It's a good thing nobody is invading Venezuela then.

Edit: Except Russia apparently.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Are Troops are so powerful they can intervene in Venezuela from a legal pad in Washington.

Pls ignore actual imperialist troops in Venezuela they are on vacation to see cathedral.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Chomskyan posted:

You're gonna eat so much crow by the time this is over
It won't be a Venezuelan crow as they have already been eaten.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Bob le Moche posted:

Actually people do have some amount of control over this. For example, they could have avoided playing into the propaganda buildup justifying the intervention by refraining from posting on US-based English-language online platforms about how evil the Venezuelan government is
I'm sorry my posting collapsed your economy Venezuela goons.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Typo posted:

you do realize that most ppl who post online, especially on a forum as small and inaccessible as DnD, about politics do it for entertainment and not as a form of activism right?
I have been printing every page and mailing it to my congressman. Are other goons not doing that?

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Chomskyan posted:

Did you know that the AR in AR-15 stands for “Assault Rifle”?
It means Argentina and the fact that you would attempt to cover that up makes you a Peronist stooge.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Bob le Moche posted:

you can't shift the blame to workers in the third world.
You can definitely blame rich assholes in the third world though.

If you are fat as hell in the middle of a famine you're probably being a capitalist.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

uninterrupted posted:

No, you see they’ve already gotten rich off black market food hoarding and reselling.
Joining the global 1% one roll of toilet paper at a time.

God, imagine being that loving stupid.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Rust Martialis posted:

The utter indifference to the suffering of millions of Venezuelans who have been driven to flee the country and are living hand-to-mouth in surrounding countries is truly stunning.
Yes but you see telling brown people apart is very difficult so Venezuela is Cuba.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Flavahbeast posted:

Lets brainstorm ways to help without loving the beehive
This should be the US State Department motto.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Marco Rubio has a crazy ability to make Rick Scott look reasonable and good.

It's practically a super power.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Why would a plane flying between two drug trafficking hubs have guns in it.

The CIA is the only explanation.

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Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Acebuckeye13 posted:

A lot of the replies on the second post make the good point that these weapons wouldn't really make sense for clandestine US government provided weapons shipments - they're all semi-auto civilian weapons in a variety of calibers, as opposed to full-auto AKs or other military grade weapons.

Like, they could be US government supplied (the operation is obviously stupid enough and sloppy enough), but it also doesn't really fit with how the US has supplied rebel groups in the past - compare it, for instance, to how the US provided arms to Syrian rebel groups just a few years ago.

https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/save-us-from-todays-dr-strangeloves-20160707-gq0d74.html
I wouldn't put it past the ATF or DEA TBH.

They are both incredibly dumb.

Chuck Boone posted:

the CIA ... the stupidest possible way to do it.
It fits their MO.

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