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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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"Vegeta seeing Kaioken as unique to Goku" is a way more plausible reason for him to not want to learn and use the Kaioken than "Vegeta can't figure it out"(Vegeta figured out how to go Super Saiyan on his own and then figured out how to go Super Saiyan Blue without the aid of the ritual that's supposed to make SSG even possible, he's pretty bright) or "The technique is too dangerous"(Vegeta has literally killed himself to try to win a fight at least once before, he's not big on self preservation when the chips are down and he needs to win a fight).
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May 3, 2017 18:30
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Black August posted:And this is exactly where the timeline split, where he should have stayed dead and let everyone else step up, instead they dragged him right back to the living world and now Beerus and Shin gotta goddamn live with the consequences He tried to let them step up and handle it and they failed utterly.
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May 3, 2017 19:33
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RBX posted:Like anyone could beat Goku at anything remotely competitive. I think the only actual named opponents Goku has singlehandedly beaten in Super are Botamo, Bergamo, and he would have beaten Krillin. Everyone else he's either fought to a draw or lost to.
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May 6, 2017 21:13
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Rutibex posted:Saiyans must lead really easy lives if none of them ever got upset enough to go super before being showed how. It seems pretty trivial to do once you know it, if Frieza hadn't destroyed them they all would have all learned it. Going Super Saiyan for the first time is weird. If literally all it takes is "get mad enough" then I'm pretty sure Freeza would have ended up facing down a literal army of Super Saiyans when he went to blow up Planet Vegeta and Gohan would have 100% been the first Super Saiyan because Gohan's entire fighting style up through basically the Buu Saga is "get rear end kicked until mad enough to pull out bullshit power". It would make sense if you needed some sort of deep, personal mental fortitude(Goku's love for his friends, Vegeta's boundless pride, Cabba's desire to be a hero and protect his planet) to do it, but then you've got Trunks and Goten who did it while they were literally children who didn't actually understand what was going on. You could kind of hand wave it by saying "oh they're half-breeds" but Gohan had to bust his rear end to learn how to do it and he is too, so  And yeah the Roshi scenes in this episode were really really terrible. Master Roshi when he's being a cool old martial arts master who likes looking at porno books and panty shots is awesome. Master Roshi when he's locking a girl in a room and trying to molest her is terrible. 
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May 7, 2017 12:46
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Yeah I'd be totally down for still-unrepentantly-evil-and-still-loving-loathes-Goku Freeza begrudgingly agreeing to participate in the tournament to save the universe on the condition that he doesn't have to go back to hell just because it would be really interesting to see how he'd bounce off the other characters; it would be a hell of a lot more interesting than goddamn Tien, at least. I don't see it happening because of the overwhelming amount of "hey, these are all the universe 7 fighters" stuff, but it would be neat.
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May 7, 2017 20:34
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Rutibex posted:They are going to have to offer Frieza something better than a 24 hour reprieve from hell. If he has to go back to his punishment right after the tournament he would have every reason to throw the match and make sure Universe 7 is erased. They could always lie to him like how Goku is lying to everyone by promising them a bunch of money despite the only possible way he could get that money to give them would be to wish for it, but he's already promised 17 the ability to wish for a boat.
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May 8, 2017 15:35
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I'm amped for Freeza but I'm sad that we're losing Fit Buu instead of Tien. Does anyone give a poo poo about Tien?
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May 9, 2017 00:41
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The other "weak" members of the team: Krillin, got a whole bunch of "yeah I'm not as strong as you guys but look at how tricky and skilled I am" moments. Master Roshi, hulked out under mind control and managed to punch up with Goku for a little bit. Tien, has done nothing but get his rear end kicked repeatedly and had his two signature moves stuffed before he could even use them. Jeez, Toei, if you're gonna put the guy on the team at least let him pretend to do a thing.
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May 14, 2017 04:51
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Manatee Cannon posted:why are you even here tien. also lol at goku telling him to focus on piccolo and then letting gohan knock him through a mountain I have to give Tien this one. Gohan was fighting two dudes at once to protect his teammate, including loving Goku, whereas Goku couldn't manage to stop one person from turning his partner into a tent peg.
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May 14, 2017 14:37
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Condiv posted:no human i know grows arms out of his back and has 3 eyes I think any human who went to the crane school can learn the four arms thing. The Turtle School teaches you to shoot lasers, the Crane School teaches you to become Goro from Mortal Kombat.
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May 14, 2017 17:00
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I'm trying to remember, has Piccolo actually defeated an opponent since he killed Raditz, aside from the training fight we just had?
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May 17, 2017 05:23
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mmkay posted:I think only a saibaman and Gero. I'm pretty sure Gero got away.
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May 17, 2017 06:48
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IcePhoenix posted:Bulma was already at the "about to pop" phase so Bulla probably came out as developed as she already was. Hell, Bulla was actually overdue.
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May 19, 2017 18:44
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extra row of teeth posted:I think you're right, but even if he somehow did decide to settle down I don't think Frieza would ever be accepted by the Goku crew because his crimes specifically involved the Saiyans. While you can argue that the Z fighters are a fairly amoral group (because they definitely are), even within the realm of "what killing is cool" Frieza would never be accepted because he wiped out Goku/Vegeta's entire race. It wasn't just his bodycount, but how specifically the body count affects them. Goku honestly doesn't seem to give a poo poo about the Saiyan race as an entity. If he actually gave one tenth of a poo poo about avenging his race, he wouldn't have extended the hand of mercy to Freeza on two separate occasions, nor would he have played around with testing Freeza's power by slowly scaling up in Resurrection F. Vegeta does care about Saiyans and he definitely hates Freeza, but he's not an idiot berserker. He was literally willing to wait in line to let Goku fight Freeza first, which doesn't really suggest irrational blind rage. Vegeta is pretty much the biggest example of literally anyone being redeemable in Dragon Ball if they want to do so, considering he was guilty of planetary scale genocide, his attack on Earth killed a significant portion of the crew via Saibamen/Nappa, and even once he joined the team his idiot, selfish pride horribly endangered the Earth on at least two occasions(when he let Perfect Cell come into being and when he went Majin Vegeta) but now he's a chill dad. Beerus is also a monster on a scale even surpassing Freeza - he's been doing his thing for millions of years - and it's not just Divine Mandate or whatever since even Old Kai goes "yeah he just kind of blows up stuff at random because he's an rear end in a top hat", but he sits around being comic relief. I don't think they're going to redeem Freeza because he's one of the few recurring characters the show has been content to leave as a pure villain, but if they wanted to they could bullshit out a redemption of some sort. The Z crew doesn't give a poo poo about how much of a murdering monster you are as long as you keep that poo poo away from Earth. Manatee Cannon posted:wouldn't the afterlife get deleted as well If you were condemned to suffer in hell for all eternity with no hope of escape, utter oblivion might seem like an attractive alternative. I'm interested if they're going to offer something to Freeza like a commuted sentence or a less excruciating(for him) punishment or something, because it's hard to see Freeza being cowed into cooperating when he's going to be given a perfect opportunity to get the most complete vengeance possible while also escaping eternal suffering in one stroke simply by throwing the tournament in some way.
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May 21, 2017 01:30
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Manatee Cannon posted:frieza's a coward. there's no way he's gonna opt for oblivion If your choices are eternal suffering for your crimes or oblivion, oblivion is actually the more cowardly choice.
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May 21, 2017 03:18
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lezard_valeth posted:Just finished reading Super Manga 24. Every time I hear anything about the manga like this I just shake my head. At least Trunks got to win in the anime. It lasted for 30 seconds, but he got to actually achieve something before the multiverse corrected itself, as it always does whenever Future Trunks achieves something.
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May 21, 2017 10:39
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Black August posted:They're prideful dumb saiyans with a death wish, they want to do it themselves not punch in cheat codes to get by, simple as that Yeah even if the Dragon Balls could make someone super powerful neither Goku or Vegeta would ever want to use them as such. The only two things Goku enjoys more than training to get stronger are eating and fighting, and Vegeta has a big complex about succeeding under his own power as far as he is able. It's the same reason why Goku and Vegeta could beat pretty much any villain ever by fusing and going full power and just murdering the guy in 5 seconds before the fusion ends, but neither of them would ever do that because it wouldn't be a real fight.
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May 24, 2017 10:28
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I like that he's so focused on beating Goku despite having two victories over him, 'cos he definitely beat Goku in the Saiyan saga (though plot demands that Vegeta ultimately flee earth obviously, it wasn't Goku who directly beat him) and he technically beat him in the Buu saga, though Goku was holding back. Vegeta can't accept technical victories as valid. Look at how angry he got when he was fighting Magetta and survived a ring out on a technicality, or how he refused to allow them to disqualify Frost despite Frost being caught red-handed violating the tournament's rule set. The only victories Vegeta actually counts as valid are ones where he's the clear winner with no ambiguity or rules lawyering involved at all. The only way he'd ever be satisfied with beating Goku is if he and Goku went at it full power and Vegeta stomped Goku, and even then Vegeta's not going to kill him at this point so that just means Goku would need to go train for the next matchup.
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May 25, 2017 00:56
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Blockhouse posted:I'm just glad the interminable and pointless "Goku isn't telling everyone what the tournament is really about because ehhhh?" plotline is over Hey, we could still milk that with Roshi. We won't, but we could.
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May 29, 2017 12:38
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Nessus posted:Yeah everyone fantasizing about Dragon Ball becoming a story of militant atheism is probably high, unless like Goku has to fight an evil (ok, antagonistic) God of Destruction. While I doubt Goku is going to go on a god-murder rampage(because that would be what Future Trunks would try to do, not Goku), I'm interested to see if there's any actual payoff to Goku muttering to Hit about showing the gods that they're not just pawns and then throwing the match. Maybe his plan is to show Zeno that learning to punch through your problems is way more interesting than deleting them.
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May 30, 2017 00:34
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ImpAtom posted:Mr. Buu was apparently killed when he blew up the planet the first time, we even saw him vanish. Yeah there was a scene of Mr. Satan and Mr. Buu napping together and getting consumed by the planet exploding.
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Jun 1, 2017 07:28
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extra row of teeth posted:The weakest part to me was how quickly the other Z fighters went "Frieza? K". I understand why, most likely because the writers have many more important subplots to focus on, but seriously loving Krillin was the only true voice of reason. Even Vegeta acted lukewarm. On the one hand, I agree with you that everyone felt pretty blase about it. On the other hand, the tournament is hitting in a couple of hours and they will likely all be immediately erased from existence if they fail to find a substitute in time, and grabbing a total loser like Yamcha raises the chance of them losing and all getting erased anyway. Freeza is a nightmarishly evil shithead who hates everyone, but he is pretty much the strongest person in the universe after SSB Kaioken Goku.
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Jun 4, 2017 09:52
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In a shocking twist of fate, Vegeta teaching Cabba how to go Super Saiyan directly leads to Universe 6's victory and the erasure of Vegeta and everyone he cares about.
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Jun 4, 2017 15:55
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Rutibex posted:Piccolo does not need bullshit multipliers, he competes with super saijins and doesn't have any power boosting transformations. He gets there with good old fashioned gumption. Just think about that, to stay on the same level as the Sayjins he has to train 50X harder. If Piccolo used Kaio Ken he would destroy the universe. Aside from the bullshit multipliers he got from absorbing the other Namekians that instantly catapulted him several orders of magnitude of power each time, you mean.
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Jun 5, 2017 05:30
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The 18/17/Krillin scene was absolutely hilarious.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:11
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Also yeah why was Freeza transforming to blow up some mooks way cooler and better animated than him transforming in the plot arc devoted to him?
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Jun 11, 2017 14:19
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Caidin posted:Sidra seems like an okay guy who happens to be an easy mark for stronger personality's, and then his kai partner is Roh and his angel is only interested in practicing slightly smug disinterested expressions. The joke is that Sidra has the personality of a Kai and Roh has the personality of a God of Destruction. That swap is probably the primary reason why U9 is the shittiest universe; at least in second-shittiest U7 Beerus has the proper attitude/approach of a GoD even if he's a lazy dick, and Shin tries to do his job even if he's hopelessly awful at it.
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Jun 11, 2017 16:03
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Brother Entropy posted:excited to see gold freeza's IK where he blows up the earth I actually hope this works like Shin's "I Refuse To Die By Your Technique" suicide super from the Hokuto no Ken game.
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Jun 12, 2017 01:34
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Professor Wayne posted:I watched this week's episode right before I went to bed last night. I dreamed that Goku needed to recruit Captain Planet as the last team member. It was so vivid that I'm not completely sure it didn't happen. Captain Planet would get hard countered by the poison guy from U9. Not a good pickup. 
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Jun 12, 2017 23:07
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yamcha But Zen-oh will erase them if they show up without 10 capable fighters on the team.
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Jun 18, 2017 06:17
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CharlestheHammer posted:And yet, Tien Yeah, we're already on thin ice.
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Jun 18, 2017 06:24
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TFRazorsaw posted:Still would be weaker than Frieza. That just means you need to keep adding Namekians! The final warrior of Universe 7: A horrifying fused gestalt of the entire Namekian race.
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Jun 18, 2017 06:59
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CharlestonJew posted:With the way the show keeps telling us Frieza has something planned and he's totally going to try to pull some poo poo at the tournament, I think our boy's going to get his poo poo erased. Frieza thinks he's this big chessmaster but it seems like everyone (except Goku, and probably Zeno by extension) sees right through him It's very interesting how Freeza went from drat near making GBS threads his golden pants at the unexpected sight of Beerus during Resurrection F and going "oh god please tell me you're not going to gently caress with me here lord beerus" to getting very big for his britches here.
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Jun 18, 2017 18:46
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Freeza has been alive for roughly ten minutes and he's already "accidentally" attacked Goku twice, tried to directly murder Goku once, killed like 200 people, and tried to sell out Universe 7 the first moment he had the opportunity to do so. This is Goku's best idea ever.
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Jun 18, 2017 23:22
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Augus posted:Friieeza solves all his problems with murder, or imagining murder, or physically preparing oneself for murder. This is pretty much true. The only thing that motivated him to train to become Golden in the first place was preparing to murder Goku, and the moment he felt his murder preparations were finished he sped off to commit said murder. Then he stayed sane in hell by imagining murdering Goku so hard he got stronger, and then he accepted Goku's offer to join the team because Goku promised he'd resurrect Freeza so Freeza could attempt to murder him again. Kanos fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Jun 19, 2017 17:06
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The Ninth Layer posted:Freeza spent four months training how to bring Tagoma to near the brink of death without killing him, so as to best prolong Goku's suffering later. He definitely knows how to disable someone without killing them. In addition to this, Freeza managed to shoot a lovely mook with like 6 death beams without killing them outright in this very episode.
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Jun 20, 2017 01:50
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Half of Dracula posted:That reminds me, I'm never sure how a 'weak' death beam that pierces through someone doesn't kill them but a 'strong' death beam piercing through someone does, but that train of thought isn't going anywhere useful Shoot somebody in the shoulder or the clip their thigh and they're going to go into shock but not die immediately. Shoot someone in the heart or in the lung and they're probably donezo.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:01
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I wouldn't at all be surprised if all the dudes remaining at time up get put into a more traditional tournament setting afterwards. I was thinking this, too. It's going to be really hard for them to put real time and effort into individual fights in such a huge battle, so I'd expect a bunch of episodes of people beating each other up and then time's up and Zeno wants to see more fightmans so the survivors do a All Worlds Tournament to determine the ultimate winner.
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Jun 26, 2017 03:05
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U7's poo poo rear end ranking suggests that Beerus's totally random destruction on a whim isn't actually necessary or good for his job.
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Jun 26, 2017 14:30
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a cartoon duck posted:Let's be fair, it's also 50% Shin's fault their universe is complete trash. Shin has his job because Beerus shoved the actual knowledgable Kai in a sword to cover his own rear end, then did literally nothing while Majin Buu ran around killing everyone, then didn't do anything to help Shin adjust to his new position despite being super old and theoretically being a useful source of information.
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Jun 26, 2017 15:04
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