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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Uh, I got bad news for you chief, Soviet ideology likewise makes not having genocides or mass killings pretty darn near impossible. It kinda thrives on declaring certain segments or classes enemies of the state. ...what? The end of a social class is a material thing, you don't genocide aristocracy. The forced mass migrations and their lethal consequences weren't part of Soviet ideology but the result of terrible decisions, much like the internment of the Japanese and using Japanese skulls as trophies. The proof of this is that you are able to see years where neither the United States or the USSR actively did all they could to wipe out those most hated minorities from the earth. This was not the case with Nazi Germany. If you're a teacher and I have to tell you this, oh dear. Neither Franklin nor Stalin spent two decades demanding the total extermination of the Japanese and Cossacks, reached power explicitly wanting this to occur and diverted industry to complete these affairs until enemy troops were literally at the gates of the death camps. HoI actually deals with this in a terrible manner since it actively tells you that Stalin is 100% right and you should do the necessary purges because people are actively sabotaging the USSR unless you stop them. But this is entirely beside the point. I'm not going to reply much to the rest of your post, I'll only say that, with the endless anti-anything remotely close to center-left (much less actual left) propaganda in the United States, if the kids you know nowadays aren't being constantly convinced by how evil Mao was, it's only because landlords are doing their best to turn a whole generation into his biggest fans  nessin posted:If it's as bad as the article makes it out to be, what the hell is up with the union? How was this a surprise to them? I still can't even figure out why it got leaked before, if a union survey showed those results and they felt it was a serious issue shouldn't they have figured out some details before even going to the company management? The only thing that makes sense in this scenario is the union has to be seen as bad as the company itself.
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Sampatrick posted:Yeah just your classic reminder that the Porajmos was at a similar scale to the Holocaust. Moreover, antiziganism is still just as prevalent now as it was 100 years ago. The extent of it legitimately can't be overstated - some of the most recent European polls on people's opinion about Romani people featured such incredible responses as 83% of Italian respondents having a negative view of Romani folks (and in fact the only countries that didn't have an outright majority with negative views were Germany and France, with 37% and 44% respectively) or a survey of the whole European Union said that 20% of respondents would refuse to work with a Romani person. It's actually insane that there was this industrialized genocide perpetrated on a group of people and afterwards literally nothing changed. There are still pogroms and walls built between Romani populations and other populations, not metaphorically, all over Europe. We euros like to make fun of Americans and their blatant racism but I wouldn't be surprised if half of Europe wouldn't cheer if police started shooting Roma people in public. They lost literally everything and the survivors were scattered throughout Europe with nothing, no recognition or support. And then we complain about how they're suspicious of outsiders.
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Groke posted:Haven't played TNO but I suppose that means it's depicted as an apocalyptically dysfunctional mess? Because poo poo was hosed up, yo. Not a single fascist or reichkomissariat regime has a working economy, fully depending on slave labor and a police state to beat their population into obedience. When Hitler dies, Germany turns into a five or six sided civil war, where even the most moderate figure holds a terrible secret. Meanwhile, half of France is controlled by Himmler, whose campaign is based on trying to bring global nuclear Armageddon. The only barely decent fascist regime is Italy, which can back down and hopefully create a modest social democracy. The Iberian Union can also develop into a really solid spot, but they're not fascist per se.
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Anbennar on hearts of iron would be an ambitious project but I'd love it. Kobolds could produce a dragon super heavy tank 
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Sep 16, 2021 11:25
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Vicky TNO: An alternative world where the British won the century even more than normal.
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Sep 16, 2021 12:38
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:would that be a "napoleon never wasted his veterans in russia" alt-hist or a "napoleon turns away the prussians at waterloo and defeats tolly's army in front of the rhine" alt-hist? imo you gotta go back to 1810 or 1811 to diverge from our timeline to give any chance to napoleon winning. he had no chance against the sixth coalition and would have needed the brilliance of napoleon during the third coalition to rebuke the russians after waterloo (which he probably didn't have since wagram, despite displaying flashes of it during the six days in france) From what i recall, the Russians and Austrians were pretty drat tired of being led by the Brits in countless campaigns and were at the end of their patience. After restoring control in Italy (My boy Murat, by beautiful boy Murat  ), I wouldn't be surprised if Austria just sat after Genoa while Russia decided to gently caress off in case Napoleon won handily in Waterloo.This, of course, doesn't take in account that Prussia and the Brits would rather fight to the last peasant to take Napoleon out.
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Sep 16, 2021 16:01
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Oct 1, 2021 01:25
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"Goons shouldn't criticize bad games or talk about corporate misogyny because it might upset goons who work with the company" is a weird take. It's fair and square not to attack these goons personally and directly, because thats just stupid. But if one of them gets upset about people making GBS threads on Rome or stellaris, that's on them, not us. And if they get bummed out at us discussing these serious accusations of harassment and misogyny, they simply should take a step away from the forums and focus in helping their affected colleagues.
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Oct 14, 2021 16:34
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DaysBefore posted:Doubt I'll buy Victoria 3 with this endless series of gross news out of Paradox. It really took the wind out of the game's sails for me for sure.
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SnoochtotheNooch posted:I would still buy a really good game regardless who made it. Good game design deserves to make money. Regardless of if the people who made it suck. I would much rather play a good game with great content made by a piece of poo poo who deserves to be fired for the way they behaved personally, than play a terrible unfun, unoriginal, devoid of content game created by someone who’s ideology i align to 100%. There's no proof of Victoria being any of that since it hasn't been released, so if you're pre ordering you're not defending your own stance. Plus Jabor posted:I would play neither, because there are enough good games made by people who don't suck.
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V. Illych L. posted:been playing Vicky 2 a bit and god drat i forgot that the prussians are invincible Paradox has a weird mental thing about the Prussians because they had really good soldiers for a king and a half.
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Star posted:I'll strongly recommend Christopher Clark's Iron Kingdom: The Rise and Downfall of Prussia, 1600–1947 for anyone interested in the history of Prussia. It also strongly argues against the idea of a simplistic Prussian legacy, centering on obedience and hierarchy, that formed the kernel of Nazi Germany. This is a really good book and was fundamental in helping me getter an actual grasp of what Brandenburg, King IN Prussia and the development of the zollverein into Germany. DaysBefore posted:Didn't the Danes own the Prussians once too? Basically everyone did. Video game prussians are protrayed as robocops because of the seven years war and the franco prussian war. I wonder how much these idiots froth at the mouth when they read about Jenna Auerstedt, how Brandenburg spent the thirty years war begging for clemency and being a playground for the Swedes or how the entire concept the Prussian Monarchy was based on Austria willingness and Russia straight up changing their mind about burning Berlin to the ground when the Russians were just about to knock on the door. Mans fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:You're really underestimating how surprising the performance of the German army was to everyone at the time. Everyone thought that the French and British amries had caught up to the German in quality and while it was known that the Russians still lagged, it was thought that the combination of French investment, Russian domestic growth and lessons learned in the Russo-Japanese war had greatly narrowed the gap. You're avoiding Edgar's arguments though. It's true that Germany had a much stronger army than previously thought, but one of the main reasons wasn't because of strong Prussian quality, but in the fact that the Germans trained their reserves as good as their frontline units, because their doctrine was to send everything they had to the front. This is why in 1914 they had manpower to spread everywhere, while the French had their main armies at the front with the reserves, which were a good portion of the mobilised men, sitting way behind the front, only expecting to act in case of emergency. No one considered the Russian army capable of being a threat in 1914, but they were expected to be a serious danger when it came to defending their homeland. This is why the western pressure for the Russians to attack as soon as the war started was a disaster which murdered two entire armies. It did force Germany to remove vital units from the western front, so their sacrifice wasn't entirely in vain I guess. Russia destroyed the Austrian army quite handily, but the idea that the allies were this super strong group while the central powers were a joke is honestly ignorant. It's hard as hell to enact a war like the first world war and only three nations were close to competent in doing so. The Germans were having food problems already as early as 1916 and the more they conquered, the worse it got, meanwhile there's simply nothing the Germans could throw at France that would've knocked them out of the war by then. Without the Americans, it's possible that the war drags for longer, yes, but that just means the German people would be actively starving at a similar point in time. And all of this ignores the main, fulcral point that the reason Germany was in such a strong position wasn't because they had RoboCop soldiers, it was a serious industrial development, population numbers, natural resources (and also a history of terrible diplomatic decisions). I really hate military bonuses on EU or Vic, they're so much more powerful than soft bonuses that they end up railroading a lot of the game (which I guess was the point when it came to EU2 OR Vicky2)
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Nov 21, 2021 14:53
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Knightsoul posted:Gentlemen, let's been honest and put aside nationalistic egos: the main (not only) reason Germany lost the 2 world wars (especially WW2) was decided when the U.S.A. entered the wars with its immense industrial/military/call-it-what-you-want capability. Buddy you seriously need to share us the paradox thread where your sourcing your posts from because this lunatic had never read about either war outside of video games.
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Nov 21, 2021 21:45
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Charlz Guybon posted:Without the US in the war the French would have collapsed into revolution first. Their economy would absolutely not have been to function without British subsidies. What fantastic scenario is this where not only the US but also the British back out of the fight? The entire reason they were in the fight was because the German empire was making colossal diplomatic disasters since the literal time of its creation.
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Jabor posted:"How would the war have gone without US intervention" is literally the hypothetical being discussed, so it really shouldn't be at all surprising that people are talking about what they think would have happened if the US had stayed out. But the United States WANTED to stay out, the Germans did everything they could to drag them in. If the US doesn't enter the war, then the British will still rely on them for trade and will still prevent the Germans from using US resources. Which would force the German hand to either not attack American shipping (and British shipping with American flags) or to go unrestricted because the neutral country is being a massive benefit to the allies. Which means it would be the same thing as in real life! The Germans and Austrian-Hungarians were literally starving by January 1917 and it only got worse and worse from there. The Germans bled themselves dry on the Spring offensive and that was before the US had any relevant present on the field (bellau wood nonwithstanding, yes). Maybe without the US entering the war they wouldn't have done such a large scale offensive, but staying on the defensive was an impossible situation. They had to end the war, they couldn't hold on indefinitely. Either the war ends in 1914 to 1916 or it simply doesn't end well for the central powers. Ideally though: ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Without the US the continental powers would have collapsed in mutual exhaustion, allowing socialist revolutions that failed in our timeline (Hungary, Bavaria, Germany) to succeed and spark a European and then worldwide revolution.
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Jabor posted:It seems like you don't really understand "what if..." discussions. That's okay, but you could at least try to avoid disrupting them by yelling "but that's not what happened in the real world!" constantly. What ifs need a reason though. "what if ww1 was actually France handling Germany all alone" for no concrete reason isn't really a what-if, it's just something completely unrelated to history. if a what if depends on the US not caring about Germany sinking civilian ships and promising to fund a Mexican invasion, refuses to listen to popular pressure, refuses to trade with their biggest trading partners during the war, the British somehow also just drop the whole war issue AND germany and austria-hungary suddendly aren't starving for half the war anymore, then yeah, of course the central powers win handily. But at that stage, what's even the point of the hypothetical? There are very interesting what if scenarios for the first world war. What if the Germans focus on Russia first? What if they don't relieve troops from the western front due to panic of the Russian invasion? What if Italy joins in with the central powers? What if Greece does it too? What if the British aren't utter bastards with the Otomans and are able to not burn the bridge entirely, guaranteeing either an ally or a neutrality out of them? Hell, what if Germany finds an ally in Russia by disregarding Austria-hungary, pulling them to the allied powers instead? These are very interesting, some of them reaching wild hypothesis, scenarios. "What if the US just sleeps and ignores the world" isn't a very interesting scenario, because it just seems to exist to push for a very specific end-case.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:My dream classical Rome game would be almost an Oregon Trail/Paradox hybrid. You necessarily start as a roman patriarch. The difficulty level determines how many Roman rear end in a top hat points you get. You can spend them on start, lands, successful ancestors, upgrading from plebeian to patrician, etc, or gain more by making your clan poor, having gently caress all, having your dad be a worthless failson who let half a legion get routed, etc. Then the game is winning political and military victories, building up your estates, rising to higher offices, and ultimately the win condition is pulling an Octavian and instituting a principate. In the mean time you'd watch Rome expand while fighting tactical battles and building up estates and industries in Rome and abroad, generation after generation. You'll probably love "A Legionary's life" if you haven't played it yet. Not the same scope, but drat if it isn't a really fun game. Kaza42 posted:This highlights one major hurdle with Classical era games. After you get this done well, then you start moving into other plausible , fun states like Carthage, the Parthians or the successor states, one by one, granting them unique perspectives and campaigns while also banking on that sweet DLC money. The people who would be mad that they can't play as some turnip farmers in Germania can be safely ignored until the actual civilizations get modeled 
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The Taiping Rebelion isn't on vanila vicky 2??? Holy moly, I never played vanilla and it shows.
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But why did someone say the Taiping rebellion wasn't present on Vicky 2 when it was there?
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Forcing adults to scan their faces if they act like children is the one thing I agree with on those policies
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