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Absurd Alhazred posted:I mean, do you really think that someone who's never heard of him is more likely to choose him after this performance? No. He had one chance to actually get widespread coverage, and he blew it. Oh come on, I really think you're being really rough on him. It was his first debate and his dog ate his homework.
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Love Stole the Day posted:Oh come on, I really think you're being really rough on him. It was his first debate and his dog ate his homework. 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Despite that a later question on who would you vote for has Bernie at only 8% behind her. I'm guessing that they reason that they liked Bernie more, but believe Hillary "won" the debate by being more Politics.
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rscott posted:CNN literally had an old dude on TV say, "maybe this country needs a little socialism" if that isn't moving the Overton window I'm not sure what is. It's only the first debate and Bernie has a pretty good record so far of improving his delivery and conceptualizing his platform. the top article on vox is about socialism. theres a big article about democratic socialism on wapo. even if he doesnt win he is very successfully pushing discourse left. hes absolutely the most successful American socialist politician since Debs at this point, even if his socialism is more akin to the New Deal or Share The Wealth than Debs. hell, even hillary had to walk around the socialism/capitalism question carefully. at this point i bet a substantial portion of democrats would describe themselves as socialists. Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 04:02 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:the top article on vox is about socialism. even if he doesnt win he is very successfully pushing discourse left. hes absolutely the most successful American socialist politician since Debs at this point, even if his socialism is more akin to the New Deal or Share The Wealth than Debs. hm and it isnt even by prominent fail aids vector ezra klein mayhaps theres some merit in this bernard saunders fellows positions.... after all??
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I wish Sanders had used Marxist dialectic to explain why he isn't a Capitalist. Thus causing the Class Consciousness of the viewing public to skyrocket. That would be out of character for him.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:That guy who threw a grenade at me aint around no more holy poo poo
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:the top article on vox is about socialism. theres a big article about democratic socialism on wapo. even if he doesnt win he is very successfully pushing discourse left. hes absolutely the most successful American socialist politician since Debs at this point, even if his socialism is more akin to the New Deal or Share The Wealth than Debs. God I hope so. I'm getting tired of being the only socialist at parties.
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Does anyone here actually believe any of the candidates on the right have a shot at winning? Against Hillary? Against Bernie? loving mittens was more impressive than this lot. edit: Probably the wrong thread but the question of electability keeps coming up post debate. Sephiroth_IRA has issued a correction as of 14:23 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Oct 15, 2015 14:21
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Is anyone here actually believe any of the candidates on the right have a shot at winning? Against Hillary? Against Bernie? Honestly, Trump is their only hope, and I honestly think he has a glass jaw and will evaporate before a less friendly crowd. The dude cannot take a joke and will not react well to being burned by a genuine rival.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Does anyone here actually believe any of the candidates on the right have a shot at winning? Against Hillary? Against Bernie? Not too long ago I would have said Bush. Now? No. Thankfully I am convinced no Republican has a shot at being president. Either Clinton will win it, or her unfavorables will lead to Bernie winning.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:33
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Does anyone here actually believe any of the candidates on the right have a shot at winning? Against Hillary? Against Bernie? If Trump pushes single-payer health care, I'm voting for him over Hillary
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EugeneJ posted:If Trump pushes single-payer health care, I'm voting for him over Hillary 
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Someday they'll isolate and destroy the 'single issue voter' gene.
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EugeneJ posted:If Trump pushes single-payer health care, I'm voting for him over Hillary He already has. My dad nearly had a stroke when I explained what he was saying on 60 Minutes. Dad is a bandwagon Republican, doesn't follow politics, will always vote R and Obama/Hillary ruined the world. He just knows Trump is his man because that is who is winning right now. He also moved to the border of Mexico in Texas and complains that too many people don't speak English in America. Yeah. Philthy has issued a correction as of 15:44 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Philthy posted:He already has. The funny part is that the Republicans on both sides of the split will never, ever leave to form their own anything because of the big base of people who will vote straight ticket -R no matter what, all the time, at every election. If they stop being -R they are toast, so instead they're sticking around poisoning everything. That "I will vote Republican no matter what" is an attitude they're aware of and your dad is doing a lot of damage to the party right now.
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I really wish ballots didn't have party affiliation on them and/or that no states did straight ticket voting.
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The polls are coming in http://www.google.com/insights/consumersurveys/view?survey=tr2mq4bvlrnf4
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gohmak posted:The polls are coming in what is this? is this just an online poll thing or a scientific poll run by google?
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:what is this? is this just an online poll thing or a scientific poll run by google? Google consumer survey. Here are the analytics http://www.google.com/insights/consumersurveys/view?survey=tr2mq4bvlrnf4&question=1&filter=&rw=1
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quote:According to New York Times' blogger and statistician Nate Silver, the Google consumer surveys' election polls were ranked second in terms of reliability and lack of bias in predicting election results. so according to this poll, bernie won the debate among those who watched it. im pretty surprised, im not sure i would have even said that 
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Oct 15, 2015 20:54
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:so according to this poll, bernie won the debate among those who watched it. im pretty surprised, im not sure i would have even said that Link to Nate's comment?
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gohmak posted:Link to Nate's comment? http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/#more-37396
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/#more-37396 So by those counts the google polls were among the most accurate last cycle?
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ArbitraryC posted:So by those counts the google polls were among the most accurate last cycle? yes, second most accurate according to nate
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Good, eat poo poo people pretending there wasn't blatant bias in the post debate coverage.
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It's a shame the 'insights' aren't all represented across the board, some of those would have been really interesting to compare.ArbitraryC posted:Good, eat poo poo people pretending there wasn't blatant bias in the post debate coverage. There wasn't. Sheng-ji Yang posted:yes, second most accurate according to nate Haha, I forgot how terrible Gallup's polling was last time around, hot drat.
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ArbitraryC posted:So by those counts the google polls were among the most accurate last cycle? Second to TIPP
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Where's mr. his body language and tone ruined his chances now, I honestly don't get why goons were so cynical about him appearing passionate on the issues rather than plastically smiling with slow deliberate speech. Historically haven't americans been pretty big fans of the gogetters, even to a fault?
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Pundits aren't allowed to evaluate the debates on the candidate's policy because thats bias, so they focus on more 'objective' things like relative charisma.
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Miltank posted:Pundits aren't allowed to evaluate the debates on the candidate's policy because thats bias, so they focus on more 'objective' things like relative charisma. Hasn't the most charismatic candidate won the presidential election every time in our lifetimes?
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gohmak posted:The polls are coming in All those unfavorable Hillary views are a little disappointing. But it's good to know the biased media narrative actually has some substance.
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part of the reason the punditry was leaning so hard on hillary "winning" was that their narrative beforehand was that she was in a tailspin for some reason. everythings going to be about hillary because the pundit class is obsessed with hillary and what is hillary doing and what do the tealeaves say about hillarys chances. theyre stupid fuckers, one and all.
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*sanders gains five points* IS HILLARY OVER?? WILL BIDEN JUMP IN?? GOD PLEASE LET SOMETHING INTERESTING HAPPEN, WE NEED EYEBALLS
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That google poll looked good until I saw 80% of respondents were men, which creates an issue since there is a gender gap in Bernie vs Hillary support. Alsomthe poll skews heavily young on top of it
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Soooo.... this first poll is pretty reliable then, yeah? Cus if so: 
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Amused to Death posted:That google poll looked good until I saw 80% of respondents were men, which creates an issue since there is a gender gap in Bernie vs Hillary support. Alsomthe poll skews heavily young on top of it
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Amused to Death posted:That google poll looked good until I saw 80% of respondents were men, which creates an issue since there is a gender gap in Bernie vs Hillary support. Alsomthe poll skews heavily young on top of it It'd be nice to see the separated demographics
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Amused to Death posted:That google poll looked good until I saw 80% of respondents were men, which creates an issue since there is a gender gap in Bernie vs Hillary support. Alsomthe poll skews heavily young on top of it they weighted down mens influence (tho it looks like it was still 70% after being weighted?) anime was right has issued a correction as of 22:27 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Spacebump posted:Hasn't the most charismatic candidate won the presidential election every time in our lifetimes? How old are you?
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