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JcDent
May 13, 2013

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I made a 30K tshirt!

One day, I will upload pictures of the 1K pts Death Guard that I have. One day...

On HH 8th editioning: challenges can go straight to hell. Just crib "on a to-hit roll of 6, roll a D6 and if you score a 6, you can allocate the wound!" from Bolt Action and you'll solve the gently caress out of that problem. And the new AP rules are much superior to what 30K/7e had.

Dunno about the initiative and I do feel that vehicles positioning should matter for armor saves. I would like all of the termies to have 2W.

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JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Ah, so those are the underslung red-dot sights I have been hearing about so much. I'm amazed at how poo poo GW is at making uniform bolt pistols, it seems they are hardly ever the same in the same range. They nail plasma pistols, but bolt pistols and, less noticeably, laspistols are just impossible.

People on Specialist Thread said this thread is cool and good, so here's a link to a thing I wrote:
http://www.wargamer.com/articles/light-in-an-age-of-darkness-the-rule-changes-horus-heresy-should-embrace/

To prove my 30K chops, here's a picture of a recent purchase:


I'm an idiot who bought Prospero before it was even released, sold everything save for MKIIIs, purchased the Calth commanders, a DG dread, chest pieces, missile launchers and chest pieces, assembled and painted everything by July, and then pre-ordered the Age of Darkness books to get the reference sheets (I laminated them).

You may notice the lack of "played the game" in that paragraph. That's because, to my knowledge, I have the only assembled and painted 30K army in my city if not the entire Lithuania. I have one friend who has basically the entire Custodes infantry range as well as Dreads and the Palas Anti-Grav Cutie-Pie. Not assembled, tho.

My current wishlist is to have one of each infantry unit that loyalist DG could have and dreads (but not the weird looking Daredeo). I just want to play 1k pts Zone Mortalis/Tactical Strike :/

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Hustlin Floh posted:

It's a great time to get into 30k now that they keep changing what's going to be in the next book and the latest wave of models (barring Dorn) look like complete poo poo. Pull up a chair around the feasting table and fill your flagon, young cub.

Hey, I was born mad! However, most of my mad-sperience is with 40K, not 30K! Yet...

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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How did the hobby survive the 90s.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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On a semi serious point, I tried making a 1000pts Solar Auxilia list for Mortalis without climbing over 300 euro.

The best strat so far was giving the commander basically all of the upgrades, bumping him tp 250ish pts and allowing a Turbo Veletaris elite choice. I ended up with fewer models than in my 1k DG.

In conclusion, no Solar Auxilia for me.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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BULBASAUR posted:

Which bullshit FW unit is your favorite and why?

Is this a legit question? I'm not used to irony posting.

If it's legit, I'll need a definition of "bullshit" since I'm an opinion haver and I need to prep the correct ones.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Well, I do hate AP2/3 artillery conceptually (since I have never played a game) since
a) stuff that removes your crap en masse with no saves allowed is horrible
b) on table artillery triggers my verisimilitude and should be removed outside of weird tracked mortars.

I dislike that fact that as presented, Veterans have one Right Choice and four You Probably Want To Lose choices.

Charontides look pretty baller and I imagine they remove anything they come into contact with, and I'm OK with steampunk cyborg ogryns being like that.

I do love Leviathan dreads because they're svole Contemptors with cool looking guns that unfortunately eat the pilot's soul or whatever.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Yeah, I'd like to have on of each non-chapter* specific dread for 40k too.

*and the BT dread as a Venerable, since my Original Content Donut Steel chapter Stilled Voices uses a lot of BT bitz.

On thing about dreads: what made me absolutely disgusted with 7e (well, more disgusted) was watching a ZM on YT where a Contemptor stepped out of corridor and removed a bunch of RG vets via a single plasma blast. It was just horrible, especially since I was playing Infinity often and Infinity doesn't have such no-risk kills

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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What if he's some landlocked Hungarian

Did not think about that

Huh

Also angry that I can't attach rapiers to squads like Guardsmen HWTs

Also angry at monoflamer squads. Kinda silly with Special Support Marines, really stupid with ten man Auxiliaries

Myrmidons are ugly

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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BULBASAUR posted:

I'm not a fan either. Took me a long time to figure out how to convert them up in a way I liked:



Now this just looks hella rad. With Thallax, Castellax and Thralls in the troop choices, AdMech soon run out of fun looking, viable choices. I'm sure I'd be madder if I collected any.

Safety Factor posted:

DJ Dizzy is a known Dane.

The poor bastard.

Ah. Then he might be building a murder ekranoplan!

tallkidwithglasses posted:

You’re getting mad enough to really do well with 30k but the things drawing your ire are extremely weird. Maybe try a two minutes hate directed at the rules writers, sculptors, prominent 40k podcasters, and/or your friends, if you are unfortunate enough to have any.

Fri-ends?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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You know what can be said of HH black books?

They taught me the word "preternatural"

As in

The love HH writers had for that word is preternatural

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Try and roll a 6 on one of those babies

I dare you

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Would work better with Ferrus Mannus and Fulgrim.

Also, no mustache on Dorn :/

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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panascope posted:

My choler rises at it.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Are those regular tiny metal chains or what?

Also, Deathguard questions.

Is it worth going for the Reaping in 1k ZM list?

Using Tartaros to build Loyalist Deathshroud (I dislike the FW models, too): yay or nay?

How do you build a boarding shield Cent? The two resin praetor pack doesn't seem fit for it.

Are chem flamers a liability in ZM? Template already rends in ZM and you get Gets Hot top, but I want it to be DG, noy optimal.

Anyways, what would be characteristic DG choices for 1k Mortalis game? I don't have a firm grasp on the image of DG aside from a slowly advancing wall of Tacs.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Awuuu pattern is alive and well.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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The charge here isn't "muh realism," it's "FW claims its poo poo don't smell." They blatantly hosed up with the model, but are still claiming it was meant to be that way. There's no getting around that.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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The artisy had prototype Butcher's Nails installed.

They're just two nails.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Hustlin Floh posted:

I like how the case flying out of the caseless-ammunition weapon in Reynold's av is about half the width of the muzzle.

At least the bolter looks OK. Whenever an artist is asked to draw a bolter or a lasgun, even odds are they're gonna gently caress up.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Blackshields and Imperial Militia/Cults: post your favorite examples or just any that you're aware off.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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I thought SHINY AND CHROME IWs are cool, but daaamn. Also, those militiamen are just fukken insane.

I usually lol when people say that seeing some well painted poo poo makes the lose any sort of willingness to paint, but those conversions and paints make me feel like a particularly slow child

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Aren't those vehicles too large for ZM?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Named characters!
*ranting*

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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I think the vanilla Sicaran is the best Sicaran.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Solar Auxilia is super sexy, and the new transport solves my issue with Dracosan.

Both of them are quite useless in Zone Mortalis, though.

Which I'm 99% guaranteed to play today.

Which will break the seal of "no more HH models until I get a game in."

God(-Emperor) help us all.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Oh, I don't really care about their effectiveness - the only real downside to SA is price and it's cousin "these miniatures are too expensive for me to gently caress up while painting."

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Like, I made this joke list with idea of mak8ng a 1k ZM list cheaper than 300 euros

quote:


++ Zone Mortalis - Combatant (Solar Auxilia) [1000pts] ++

+ Elites +
Auxilia Ogryn Charonite Squad [185pts]: 3x Ogryn Charonite

Household Retinue Squad [210pts]: Power Axes, Shroud Bombs . Prime: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist

+ HQ +

Auxilia Tactical Command Section [75pts]: Veteran Auxiliaries, Veteran Auxiliaries . Strategos: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

Lord Marshal [200pts]: Archaeotech pistol, Artificer Armour, Cyber-familiar, Digital Lasers, Grav-wave generator, Infravisor, Iron Halo, Lord Marshal, Master-crafted weapon, Paragon Blade, Psi-jammer

+ Troops +

Auxilia Infantry Tercio [330pts] .

Veletaris Storm Section: Shroud Bombs . . Prime: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist .

Veletaris Storm Section: Shroud Bombs . . Prime: Plasma Pistol, Power Fist

+ Allegiance + Allegiance: Loyalist

++ Total: [1000pts] ++

I failed! Also, this list has fewer models than my DG list, lol.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Played first game of HH and ZM, 1k pts, my DG vs. a bud's Custodes.

A heavy support Sarge survived by running away.

The Custodes lost two wounds on Sentinel Guard squad, two wounds on Custodian Guard squad and a HP on Galatus.

The Shield Captain almost did some fighting.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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BULBASAUR posted:

With that sort of matchup, your friend really wants you to keep playing HH

It was the first game for both of us. Galatus aside, I dunno what could he have done to defang his list more. I could have taken meltas on Support and Multimeltas on Heavy support squads. Not much to be done about Tactical bolter fire failing to dent Sentinels.

E: Also, what the fuckity with Android Battlescribe not showing rules or weapon profiles?

JcDent fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Mar 1, 2018

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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His shield captained stayed in the reserves until turn 4 and didn't do poo poo in the game.

Galatus took Rapid Fire plasma to the face (first casualty of the game was a Gets Hot! which is why I love plasma), ran through the support squad, stood calmly through plasma cannon fire from my dread and then hosed it up in CC. I dunno if any non-Leviathan can take it on.

4 Sentinels chopped through 20 tacs, including two Power scythe challenges.

The Delegatus surprised me by being just W2 while the chainfist - which I forgot was MC - just couldn't ID the S5 custodian guard.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Betrayal at Calth box is a great place to start with Fists if you don't mind MK IVs. You get 30 dudes who can be your Tacs, Vets and Supports, you get Cataphracti termies, two models for commanders and a monopose Contemptor that will inspire you to cut up a dread.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Also, the thread says that Breachers are cool while also not being cheesy, so you should load up on them, too.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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BULBASAUR posted:

These IF Breachers are really impressive






A cool unit for a cool legion

Nothing here but us loyalists!

One of the reasons why I like Medusan Immortals is that they're breachers++

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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As a loyalist DG, the only char I can buy on FW is... Nate Garro? Well, I don't like named chars anyways.

A pity there's no "build yer own Knigh-Errant" set.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to fantasize about Despoiler squads more.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Greenstuff stache and sideburns

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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While it sounds cool, every non-ashen circle WB special looks like "but then demons asplode"

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Mango Polo posted:

To be fair, the Gal Vorbak are shown as they are in combat. All of the growths and cracking and deformities are supposed to disappear/fuse back when the host Daemon isn't out for blood.

I wonder how much of Gal Vorbak or a possessed Marine remains him, and how much of it is a demon out for a joyride.

Also, I'm unsure about the difference between demons that posses and demons that manifest. Like, can a blood letter (or a screamer, or a nurgling) posses a dude?

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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So, part of our plan to HH was getting a ZM board. Like, this was a major point of that. So, my friend ordered the 450 bongs to bundle to get the board in one fell swoop. This is what he received:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1SV3vNvhSHRWWyh30bnqudk5pVDvRREGl
When he complained, FW said that "fixing" with putty is routine quality assurance stuff and that most of the stuff withing acceptable band of what you can expect from resin. They can replace the kit, but we shouldn't expect an increase in quality (friend also found a Dakka thread from 2012 with the same complaints). Currently, he's asking for pick up and a refund - or getting a fresh new ZM board that hasn't been "fixed" in any way so that we (this includes poor old me) could patch it up ourselves.

Other options being considered: Mantic (unlikely), Corvus Games terrain, Hirst Arts, making a board from imperial ruins (if you haven't worked with GW building terrain before, the walls aren't solid - they come in many one-floor height bits that you can basically connect in any way you want, so there might be a possibility there).

So yeah, Zone Mortalis: good rules, perennially borked terrain.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

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TheChirurgeon posted:

Use the bulkheads and tiles from the new Necromunda game and run it on the cheap

I'd do do it, I don't give a poo poo, but my friend is a little weird.

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JcDent
May 13, 2013

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Looking amazing there!

Speaking of which, since ZM limits squad size to 15 dudes, what Militia troops choices aside from Grenadiers can take part? Militia and Inducted Levy start at 20 iirc.

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