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But who even cares? What does a resolution like that even do? It's all hot air.
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In a sane society, people would dismiss "I'm more Jewish than you. You're not a real Jew" as idiocy; because who the gently caress cares? I just can't believe all this garbage is news. Israel is being bad and should stop being bad. That's anti Semitic! You can't say that. ... Why aren't you stopping them from saying we're being bad!? This is a war crime on our people!Like, this whole thing is just stupid. Call me when something meaningful happens.
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Thought y'all would appreciate the conversation this sparked with my Israeli boss. 
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The Edit: My favorite work argument started with  "So what did you end up doing yesterday?" "Took a drive over to Palestine and bought some jewelry for my girlfriend." "You mean Israel. No such thing as Palestine" "Don't listen to Igal. He's a crazy Zionist."*20 minutes of yelling in Hebrew* *walks away*
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HootTheOwl posted:Yes, but you're not allowed to say "aparteid" If you say it 3 times in front of a mirror, Bibi appears and tries to make you finance minister.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It hasn't yet. More Israeli civilians have been killed in the last week than civilians in Gaza and roughly 4/5ths of the casualties were indiscriminate fire on civilians. I would say cutting off food, power and water to the civilian population already counts.
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Oct 9, 2023 16:47
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Mia Wasikowska posted:at what point do the lawyers get to officially say War Crimes or whatever, like, what has to happen In a meaningful "the ICC gets involved" way? When western hegemony decides to support Palestine over Israel.
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Oct 10, 2023 00:53
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Baudolino posted:But it is by necessity conditional as long as resources are not infinite. For instance i dont expect socialists to provide financial aid to settler with businesses in the overun areas that end up financially ruined by this war. Thats not going to be the priority. The entire point of socialism is that everyone gets it. The financially-ruined settler would have just as much right to financial assistance as anyone else under a well-designed socialist system.
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Oct 10, 2023 22:36
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Baudolino posted:But thats not world we live rigth now. So are you really not going to prioritize in the mean time? I honestly have no idea what you're asking. I already said that the point is that everyone is entitled to financial aid. Gaining enough power to institute a new system and then saying "you were a dirty horrible colonizer so you can starve" is just doing the same thing - going around and around in circles of resentment and revenge. You prioritize based on need, not who is "deserving."
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Oct 10, 2023 22:55
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Typo posted:a very common refrain seem to be "see this is what religion does!" It does not help that the religious right in the US frames it as Judaism vs Islam so they can rile up their base.
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Oct 11, 2023 06:21
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Failed Imagineer posted:Hmm any reason why Arabic to English translation is currently unavailable on Google? It's not down, it just refuses to translate that specific thing. I literally can't find a website that will, either. What does it say? Edit: it literally says "language translation services are not available at this time" in Arabic. 
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Oct 15, 2023 16:57
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Paladinus posted:Are you people doing a bit or something? It literally means 'Language translation is not available at this time'. That's the joke. Divorced from the original context, I didn't get the joke, but thinking about it in the OP, it makes sense.
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Oct 15, 2023 17:08
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break-up breakdown posted:In what way can this be interpreted other than “The Israelis want to do an ethnic cleansing"? The only reason to be so opposed to letting in any kind of aid is because you want the people who live there to no longer live there and you don't really much care how that happens.
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Oct 17, 2023 14:42
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Zzulu posted:I see a lot of politicians whining about what Israel is doing but no one is really lifting a finger to stop it. It really goes to show that any country with a sufficiently strong military can just do whatever the gently caress they want Russia is a strong counterpoint to that. It's less about Israel's sheer military strength and more that they have strong ties to large chunks of the American electorate, for both ethnic and religious reasons. If anything, this is an example of why soft power is so important.
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Oct 17, 2023 18:07
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uPen posted:How would shooting down Israeli jets de-escalate things? I took this as a joke referencing all the calls for a no fly zone in Ukraine last year as if they were the magic words to stop a war.
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Oct 17, 2023 20:09
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Call me naive, but I expect that at some point, the US DoD will release their findings on what happened. Although I don't expect them to provide any evidence (because they don't release their means, ever), I do expect it to be an honest assessment.
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Oct 18, 2023 00:30
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punishedkissinger posted:naive is too kind. i'm calling you stupid. Rude.
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Oct 18, 2023 00:41
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mannerup posted:personally im waiting on people who actually know what the hell they are talking about instead of official statements or OSINT people looking at their computer to see if the pixels are evidence Unless I'm reading this wrong, isn't this basically saying to wait for the US military to come out with an official assessment?
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khwarezm posted:Couple of questions, what sources have been reporting the 500 people death toll? Is there possibility for it to go significantly higher? Forget single missile - if it's confirmed to be a JDAM, it would make the Wikipedia list of largest air raids: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Individual_air_raids
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Shaocaholica posted:TBH if they had said something like that it would have come off as extremely disingenuous. There’s really nothing they can say. It would sound disingenuous because Israel's official statements came out of the gate pounding on the table. You can't walk that back down to passive voice without sounding like you're admitting you hosed up. Jethro posted:Even if the hospital explosion was an accident, someone chose to fire the rocket with a hospital down range. I agree with the other poster who thinks this is worded very carefully to not assign blame to any of the possible responsible parties just yet. This kind of goes back to what I said earlier about the US government generally being careful not to jump the gun when it comes to making claims. They have not been doing a very good job of it for the past week, and I think someone probably realized that and is trying to course correct. Or I should say I sincerely hope that's what's happening. Neurolimal posted:My personal hunch is that, if whatever Israel gave the US made them confident that Israel didn't do it (or at the very least could sufficiently muddy the waters) US statements would be more along the lines of condemning Hamas & reiterating support for Israel. It's what's not in the statement that makes me think Israel absolutely did it. This is part of why I think the US isn't just going to lie about it to protect Israel. Bel Shazar posted:It can go up next to Guernica. It's really loving crazy that all of those are WWII except that one, which was still WWII-adjacent. KillHour fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Oct 18, 2023 |
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DelilahFlowers posted:Racism is when you state that the favored group of an ethnonationalist state is closely related to the group they are genociding. That is racist, yes. It's a racist view to think that people who are more closely related should be less likely to fight. It's literally viewing the conflict through a racist lens. Ethnicity is a cultural grouping, not a racial one.
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DelilahFlowers posted:they are descendents of the same loving people, and that they shouldnt be loving killing each other because they are killing their own family. I feel bad replying to you because you're probated and can't respond (fake edit: after reading the post that got you probed, I no longer feel bad), but this is the racist part. You are implying that it would be somehow more acceptable if they teamed up to kill people from some other race. To address the strawmanning rule, I know you didn't outright say that, but it necessarily follows from your words. I cannot fathom another way to interpret them. It is, by definition, a racist argument because it's using race as the reason that something should or should not be done. Nobody should be killing anybody. But they do, and saying that sharing a race means is a reason not to is explicitly and by definition racist.
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If the US was half as concerned with exporting the ideals of secularism and inclusivity that are literally enshrined in our constitution as we are with capitalism, Israel could be bent into accepting a one state solution that loses the Jewish political majority. But a major American party literally wants the US to become an ethnostate, and the other one is led by octogenarians clutching onto the Cold War.
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Raenir Salazar posted:You could also suggest something more along the lines of what Canada does regarding Quebec in constitutionally enshrining a distinct nation with a unique character and thus has specific guarantees and protections. The only problem with this is that the parts that would demand to be a part of Israeli Quebec are the parts that also have a lot of religious significance to Muslims and Christians. A staunchly secular government with strong constitutional protections for religion would be no worse for Jews than an overtly Jewish government. It would only be worse for people who hate Muslims.
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:There's a perfectly reasonable one state solution Please don't move a bunch of right wing religious zealots here we have enough already
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ungulateman posted:almost certainly unsourced hyperbole. it wouldn't surprise me if the academic year ended, but it'd be because administering education under the current circumstances would be impossible, not because every student is dead. Not every citizen living in Nazi Germany supported Hitler, just like not every Israeli supports Netanyahu. It's a fair comparison - at the end of the day, a state is what its actions are.
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MadSparkle posted:I can definitely see that, I guess I'm just still trying to wrap my head around how this guy with his corruption charges and obvious agenda and lazy arrogance has been allowed to stay around for as long as he has. "I will keep you safe from the animals on the other side of that fence who want to hurt you."* It's a powerful message, and a huge chunk of the anger at him is not because he's hurting Palistinians, but because he failed to live up to that promise. *Obviously paraphrasing, but I think you'd be hard pressed to say it's a strawman, given the things he's actually said.
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i fly airplanes posted:Not to mention that it is a Jewish state with an open policy for Jews—a home for Jews no matter where they have been persecuted. This very thing is what makes Israel an ethnostate. They are actively committing genocide and apartheid for their goal of Zionism - the benefit of Jews above all others. And you keep saying it like it's a good thing and not an abject tragedy. Do you think that only Jews can be persecuted? Do you think that the persecution of Jews gives Israel carte blanche to persecute others? Where is the limit?
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Argas posted:I feel like the awful PR campaign is in part to have some schadenfreude by discrediting the western world because our governments are doing their best to show how they're all contorting themselves to support Israel. I genuinely don't understand what you're saying here. The Western world is intentionally loving up PR for comic relief purposes? Hamas has an awful PR campaign aimed at making the West look stupid? The West wants to not have terrible PR but their crippling Israel addiction is forcing them to slam their own dick in the drawer? Maybe I'm too tired, but I'm having trouble following your statement.
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Sri.Theo posted:I feel like there are good reasons for Jews to want a dedicated state. The Yazdis, and various Christian groups in the region would probably be better off if they had one as well. Replace "Jews" with "white people" to see the obvious problems with this. Saying that different races/ethnicities/religions/whatever should have their own countries is an extremely common refrain from white supremacists and Nazis. When a state has an explicit goal of preferring a group of people based on ancestry, you inevitably end up with caste systems, violence and subjugation of the out-group by the in-group. Wars inherently become crusades and creating an ethnostate in the first place requires ethnic cleansing unless you found it in the moon. Groovelord Neato posted:And yeah Israel should've been carved out of some chunk of Europe. It's not like the Allies were sheepish about ethnically cleansing areas of Germans after the war. Here's a crazy idea - the lesson learned from the Holocaust shouldn't be "let's do the same thing again but switch the groups." KillHour fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Nov 1, 2023 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:No I meant it already occurred not that they should've done more of it. I'm saying that founding Israel anywhere is inherently doing more of it. Ethnostates, including Israel, should not exist.
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Lord Lambeth posted:Israel exists not because it was given to the Jews by America, Europe or anyone else. It exists because a significant number of Jews want to live, and often die there. This is decidedly untrue. Palestine was a British colony after the breakup of the Ottoman empire. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine They promised it to a bunch of different groups at different times for geopolitical leverage and the League of Nations eventually carved it up into Israel and Palestine to resolve the dispute.
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Sri.Theo posted:Don’t all states do that though? You have more rights to become a citizen of many countries with the right parents. Most people don't refer to "the country your parents are citizens of" as ancestry. I'm not a huge fan of juis sanguinis in any case, but I meant a combination of race, ethnicity, and caste. There just isn't a great word that covers all of those. KillHour fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Nov 1, 2023 |
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I said come in! posted:I dont understand how the U.N. works. How come the US was given the power to veteo everyone, making it impossible to do anything against Israel? The only group within the UN that gets to make binding resolutions on other members is the security counsel. All security counsel votes have to be unanimous. And the US is a permanent member of the security counsel, so things the US doesn't like don't pass.
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Sephyr posted:Both Irish and Brazilian nationals seem to be deliberately excluded from the lists of people allowed to leave Gaza, while countries that did not press for a ceasefire or gave carte-blanche to the scouring got bumped to the front. This seems like a bad fight to pick. Not that I think Ireland is going to declare war on Israel, but if EU citizens start dying at the hands of the IDF after being denied passage, I think it's going to be a pretty big pile of straw added to the camel's back.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:what do you mean 'if they start dying' they already are I totally forgot Israel already merc'd a bunch of journalists like a week ago, and I'm sure there are EU citizens among the doctors and aid workers who were killed. I still feel like telling an EU citizen they aren't allowed to leave is an escalation beyond even that. KillHour fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Nov 7, 2023 |
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Private Speech posted:Having trouble figuring out how bombing them to hell and back is going to achieve this. Maybe there's some smart microscopic robots in them bombs that infiltrate Palestinian brains and convince them to love Israel? Maybe carry the hostages home while there at it by assembling into little drone taxis, too. It's pretty clear that they are planning to achieve this by virtue of Palestine no longer existing.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:(where opinions in Israel seem to range from "do it more" and "I don't care"). I don't doubt that Israel is largely united in this, but I also wouldn't be out in the streets protesting if I lived there because I'd be scared shitless of what might happen to me.
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Just to note with regards to the video being touted as a smoking gun (obviously wounded people being brought to a hospital) - one of the other bits of ‘evidence’ touted by the gurning IDF Spokesman was the idea that Hamas had taped over cameras to avoid tracking. They had the wherewithal to do this but recordings were kept from October 7th showing nefarious hostage activity? That is literally just two different videos with a jump cut. Edit: oh there's an uncut video apparently
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The other issue I see with the deal from Hamas's perspective is like... what's to stop the IDF from just arresting the prisoners again once the ceasefire is over? Or any other random Palestinians in the occupied territories they feel like using as leverage? Kindof feels like a weird reversal where Hamas is potentially encouraging hostage-taking by Israel Hamas doesn't have a lot of leverage right now. Israel has blown past all the exit ramps and there's not much left to bargain over.
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