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sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

RBA Starblade posted:

On the other hand, it's a lot more fun to cast Force Lightning than Force Rhetoric.

And it's even more fun to cast Force Lightning (tm) at your absentee father who murdered your kindly old mentor than it is to use "the supernatural power to demoralize an enemy army" at some guys off screen who you've never met to win a war that doesn't matter.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 17:23

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 17:30

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Super Fan posted:

Prequel Anakin and Padme are the worst people in Star Wars by a wide margin. Those two have zero chemistry with eachother. Great casting.

# ¿ Dec 5, 2016 11:17

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

TheLoquid posted:

Well, sure. I can't deny that my own preferences are probably coloring my analysis, but I don't think it's fair to reduce it to that. The council test sequence doesn't work for me because it doesn't fit in the movie at all outside of our meta knowledge that Anakin is headed towards Vadertown. Maybe it's the actor's limitations, but he doesn't play as angry or fearful, or even as using bravado to compensate for those feelings.

Because he's not. "How do you feel?" "Cold". "I sense great fear in you" Yeah okay, buddy, maybe after you started throwing accusations and veiled threats.

The council's expectations and prejudices drive the scene, which frustrates everyone important to the movie. Anakin is a kid living in the moment, a true expression of The Force.

The scene tells us these dumb Jedi will be a problem (Mace Windu especially).

# ¿ Dec 7, 2016 01:00

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Phi230 posted:

sure this dark cloaked figure named DARTH SIDEOUS probably isnt a bad guy and we should totally listen to him

- trade federation

oh yeah he sent us one of his guys to help run things

oh he looks like satan

nothing wrong here

A lot of people in Star Wars look like satan.

You can't cross the street every time of of them walks by.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 01:14

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Again: you could instantly prove me wrong by simply pointing out any errors I've made.

Writing truthfully and accurately is much easier, and more effective, than what you are currently doing.

You missed a question mark earlier.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 12:19

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Phi230 posted:

i know perfectly well what the alt right thinks of star wars, im more surprised it hasnt gotten started till now. last year they were in huge uproar for months

I think less people care about a new star wars coming out than they did last time.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 20:23

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Yaws posted:

I think Rogue One will do just fine. This ain't the election.

That's what people thought about the election.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 20:42

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

People are genuinely going to have this joke discussion about Harry Potter characters now.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 23:09

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Darth Vader dies but is replaced by Felicity Jones so the resistance can live on.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2016 10:46

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Basebf555 posted:

Whats the policy in here again? Are we even allowed to discuss spoilers if we use tags or just not discuss them at all?

There's a different thread for spoiler talk.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2016 15:58

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Forum Joe posted:

a nod to the fans.

I have a bad feeling about this.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2016 21:59

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

People getting upset and defensive about other people not liking what they like, or even not hating what they hate, is my second favourite internet thing.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2016 16:20

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

The pornography.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2016 16:39

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Super Fan posted:

Who cares

The poster who you quoted, obviously.

# ¿ Dec 15, 2016 17:23

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Serf posted:

This for sure.

Although I'd still like to see a Boba Fett horror movie where he hunts down a bunch of bounties that he's lured into one place. It's like a slasher flick but Disney approved because he disintegrates them.

I think you're getting confused. Boba Fett is the joke character who gets killed by a blind man in RotJ.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2016 16:07

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Anakin did nothing wrong killing all these sand people.

# ¿ Dec 24, 2016 22:10

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Zoran posted:

Ahmed Best intentionally played Jar Jar with attributes common to old minstrel shows, as a way of reinforcing the overall point of the character (which is that the people we judge as lesser beings�"pathetic life forms," as Obi-Wan put it�actually do have intrinsic value and that our sense of superiority is false).

We've gone over this before in the thread (I recommend Bongo Bill's posts on the subject), but basically what happens in The Phantom Menace is that the heroes make a bunch of superficial judgments that end up biting them in the rear end later on.

So they look at Nute Gunray and assume he's some conniving mastermind, kind of like old Yellow Peril villains. In fact, he's just a toady who's in way over his head. But because of this misperception, when we get to the end of the movie, the good guys believe they've foiled the evil plot and have secured peace in their time.

On Tatooine, they encounter Watto, who kind of resembles a Shylock-style Jewish stereotype. The heroes assume that he's exactly that: a greedy usurer trying to bilk them out of their money. That's why Qui-Gon is so ready to mind-control the guy. But it turns out that Watto's not like that at all. He's just the owner of a grimy junk shop and a gambling addict, and he's a slave-owner mostly because that's how life works in a lovely place like Tatooine. Watto actually gets a kind of sympathetic portrayal, particularly in AOTC, because the point the movies are making is that the institutions are failing. The Republic and their Jedi enforcers don't care about a shithole like Tatooine because nobody wants to stir up trouble with the Hutts.

Literally everyone else in the main cast hates Jar Jar. They all think he's a useless pile of poo poo, and the only one who shows an ounce of faith in him is Qui-Gon. In the end, he's the guy who provides Amidala with her key insight: if she and her people can just give up their ridiculous snobbishness towards the Gungans, their two peoples would make natural allies against the Trade Federation's oppression. She didn't have to waste all her time running from her homeworld, because the reinforcements she needed would have come over from right next door if she had only thought to ask.

This theme extends to the rest of the cast, too. Little Anakin really is a wonderfully kind boy with a strong sense of justice, but the Jedi view him mainly as a weapon, rather than as a human being with real emotional needs and desires. Darth Maul is merely an avatar of raw vengefulness, but the Jedi Order reads too much into him, so they worry for the next decade that the Sith will destroy them from without.

And then, at the end of the movie literally called "The Unseen Threat," the real villain gets almost everything he ever wanted and he throws himself a parade.

Yeah but Jar jar talks funny so he's a pointless character

# ¿ Dec 25, 2016 22:38

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

sean10mm posted:

White nerds explain away racism ITT because of course they do.

That's racist.

# ¿ Dec 26, 2016 00:13

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Jar Jar's voice isn't half as annoying as Chewbacca's

# ¿ Dec 26, 2016 21:36

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

The real racists are the people who think Sam Jackson was "wasted" in these movies because he didn't play to type.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 02:08

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

I like Star Wars and there's not a damned thing any of you can do about it.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 13:03

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

theflyingexecutive posted:

Yeah, but they never get to the point where any not-Sith character goes "hey this is a pretty hosed up cult"

Why would a Sith character saying it not count?

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 15:21

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

theflyingexecutive posted:

because the sith are all cartoonishly evil baby electrocuters

The Sith we see in the films are Darth Maul, Count Dooku, Sheev Palpatine and Darth Vader, none of whom are pure, cartoonish evil (this is literally the plot of most of the OT films).

Maul's face paint suggests he should be but he's also soft-spoken and almost serene when facing Obi-Wan's fury.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 15:36

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

theflyingexecutive posted:

I'll mayyyybe give you Dooku, but Anakin kills a whole encampment of Tattooinians and a roomful of scared defenseless children, Sheev repeatedly tries to assassinate padme, starts a galactic war, overthrows the government, and builds two planet-annihilating weapons, maul isn't particularly depraved but cartoonishly evil is a wholly accurate description of his appearance

They certainly do evil things but none of them are simple cartoonish evil. There is complexity to each of them and you should pay attention to the things they do and say.

Killing the sandpeople who raped and beat his mother to death was justified imo.

Killing the women and children too proves Anakin is not sexist or ageist, an important progressive message.

There is good in him.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 16:58

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

BillBear posted:

Jesus loving Christ why.

Drugs, mostly.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 19:38

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Samovar posted:

Jesus Christ this year.

It's the same as every year, but as you get older you know more of the people in the obituaries section.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 21:49

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Super Fan posted:

Jar Jar is a loving clumsy moron who only helps people by accident.

He actually deliberately goes out of his way to help people many times in the films.

I recommend watching The Phantom Menace if you want to see for yourself.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 22:30

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

teagone posted:

Celebrity deaths don't usually affect me, but Star Wars has been a part of my life since I was 8. This sucks RIP Carrie Fisher.

Can you do something for me? Never watch Star Wars again.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 22:42

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

teagone posted:

You can't tell me what to do. You're not my real dad.

I am Alec Guinness, and I'm banging Carrie Fisher in hell tonight.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 23:03

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Mecha Gojira posted:

Wouldn't be surprised if Jett called tractors "goongas" but George later refined it to Gungans to make the connection clearer.

Of course, Lucas is a weirdo and refers to lightsabres as "laser swords" and wears Han Shot First T-shirts on set. And God bless him for it.

He just has a goofy sense of humor.

Luke and Leia died after Return of the Jedi

# ¿ Dec 27, 2016 23:29

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

I like Watto and I always laugh when Qui Gon falls for his "no one else in town has the hyperdrive you want" line.

The Jedi believes that the force is so strong with him that the first random junk shop he went into was the specific one he needed (also the chosen one was there).

Three doors down a Rodian had them on sale.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 13:49

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Bongo Bill posted:

A lightsaber is a Jedi's life

If this were true Obi Wan and Anakin would have died many times in the PT.

It's nonsense. A laser sword is just a tool.

Your weapons. You will not need them.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 21:38

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Bongo Bill posted:

They do often save each other's lives. Anakin's is damaged but repaired, and later he gets a new one from the red team, and Obi-Wan starts telling everyone he died. Swords are extremely potent symbolism.

Luke rejected the power of the laser sword and in doing so achieved final victory over the Dark Side.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2016 21:47

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

gfarrell80 posted:

When the gently caress did Yoda say "you must kill vader"?????

Confront him you must.

I can't kill him!!!

Then you have already failed, you have or whatever.

# ¿ Dec 29, 2016 01:43

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Vegg220 posted:

No, that is in no way my problem with the prequels. I am simply pointing out that GG as a scary Jedi killer isn't something we see in the film. Him having a bunch of lightsabers is in contradiction with how comical and nonthreatening he is, especially when compared to how he appears in media created by people who are more competent at making villains than prequel era George Lucas, such as the dude from The Powerpuff Girls

Grievous is - like Vader - a paper tiger.

# ¿ Dec 29, 2016 01:59

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Vegg220 posted:

Vader kicks Luke's rear end easily

Who doesn't?

# ¿ Dec 29, 2016 02:18

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Mameluke posted:

This is something that other posters have touched on, but one of my favourite parts of the movie was the way it humanized the Empire.

Do people not feel The Empire was humanised in the OT? Specifically Empire and RotJ. How can you not feel bad for the poor blokes one wrong decision away from being choked to death (after being promoted beyond their competency due to previous chokings).

The biggest hero in the trilogy is the guy who says "I will take full responsibility for this to Lord Vader" knowing he's going to die at the hands of insane Evil half-machine monster.

# ¿ Dec 29, 2016 13:58

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Edinboro_V posted:

I'd play them in order though; the first one is a straightforward heroic Star Wars adventure, while the second is like one written by a Game Master that's been writing campaigns for years, but for the love of god, get the restored content mod for it, because the publisher cut so much out in the rush to get it out before the holiday season.

It adds more tedious garbage that was cut for a reason than worthwhile content.

# ¿ Dec 29, 2016 13:59

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Tenzarin posted:

Looks like a family guy character if you ask me.

Family guy is 2d animation that looks nothing like that.

# ¿ Dec 29, 2016 22:14

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 17:30

sassassin: Apr 3, 2010; by Azathoth

Elan Sleazebaganno saw the lightsaber and thought it best to go along with things.

# ¿ Dec 30, 2016 01:26

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