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gradenko_2000
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Mother Jones is so much worse than Jacobin it's not even funny

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GalacticAcid posted:

here’s my take:

I’m glad the USSR existed and wish it still did

:yeah:

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Jizz Festival posted:

If they care about keeping their jobs, they will care about retaining their market share which means staying competitive in the market.

the degree of compromise that they will do in order to retain market share would be consensual among the workers though, rather than at some arbitrary point determined by the CEO.

it's difficult to imagine the hellscape of Amazon warehouses with a single bathroom and ambulances instead of air conditioning being agreed to by the workers "just to stay ahead of the game"

gradenko_2000
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maybe we should post "worker co-ops are merely an intermediate step if not purely a marginal improvement" for another two pages before it sticks

gradenko_2000
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https://twitter.com/WyssJeffery/status/992695190296125440

100s of millions killed by Karl Marx's invention, Marxism

gradenko_2000
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https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/990686836472336389

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rudatron posted:

Also the fact thay sakai says very little with so many words, and is actuality really coy about his own beliefs, should be a bit of a give away that he's hiding what he thinks behind verbosity.

:ironicat:

gradenko_2000
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lollontee posted:

What's the alternative to jacobin for you lot?

https://www.wsws.org/

seriously though: https://www.peoplesworld.org/

gradenko_2000
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Small brain: join a cult

Galaxy brain: start a cult

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Grand Prize Winner posted:

may i recommedn the black book of communism

SAN loss: 1d6
Conservative Mythos: +6%
Spells: Call/Dismiss Liberals, Create Disingenuous Argument, Ideological Decay

gradenko_2000
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:hmbol:

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Weeping Wound posted:

thank u communist fishmech

:drat:

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Matt Lindland posted:

poo poo, good point. But it reminds me more of Fallout where the setting was created by a full nuclear exchange with China. But the whole thing also kind of reminds me of Dr. Who there was probably an episode of that with china in it from 1946 where all the Chinese were played by squinting english stage actors, right? Just assuming. However, it also slightly reminds me of Forgotten Realms

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Thug Lessons posted:

I would argue that bootleg designer goods actually reinforce conspicuous consumption. No one is actually fooled when you or me buys a fake designer product, because everyone knows we never would have been able to buy it in the first place. It's out of our price range. Ripoffs just encourage people to believe in the superior quality of designer products even though everyone already knows they're a pure status symbol, an expression of the money you can spend, rather than having any unique aesthetic or practical value.

I call Chinese bootleggers shitheads because it matches my experience with extremely sketchy "small business owners" who don't give a poo poo about the law. Feel free to believe it's racism though.

sir this is a Beijing McDonalds

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resar posted:

Shut the gently caress up about handbags and go back to relitigating the holodomor or the red terror or some other poo poo

the Holodomor was theft of Britain's famine IP

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rudatron posted:

the issue is that direct democracy may still not be possible, even with telecommunications - engaging with politics is labor, it's time consuming, and running a vote on everything is incredibly redundancy, that might not lead to good outcomes. so, how is that labor allocated, enforced on people (so they don't/can't skip out), and how are we ensuring that votes are informed, without limiting the franchise, or marginalizing someone's interests?

I don't have an answer.

socialism is going to require a significant reduction in the working day in order to give people the time they need to engage in their political responsibilities and/or self-fulfillment

gradenko_2000
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I would think that the lack of assassinations also has to do with the how much stronger State Police powers are.

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R. Guyovich posted:

jacobin sucks dude, sorry

gradenko_2000
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I've watched a couple of Yanis Varoufakis's videos, and both times he mentions that liberalism (at least in its 19th century conception) and democracy were at odds, and that John Stuart Mill himself, the big liberal, was anti-democratic. Does anyone have any more background or context on what he means by this? I feel like I'm missing something in my understanding of what liberalism is or means to put it together.

gradenko_2000
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Thanks, folks!

gradenko_2000
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Am I getting it correctly that liberalism in this context is juxtaposed against monarchism/the divine right of kings, in which people do NOT have any "rights" because the king can simply do whatever they want to you, and also take your property at their whim (as enforced by their men-with-swords), and so it would technically be an improvement to have a Constitution where the monarch's / republic's powers are strictly limited to respect an individual's rights, even if the monarchy / republic would continue to be largely undemocratic?

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's not even an opposition to monarchy per se, so much as it is an opposition to aristocracy. Aristocratic nobles all across Europe made sure that the bourgeois were locked out of all the political privileges they were entitled to, and all the merchants, nascent capitalists, and private unennobled landlords wanted to be able to buy into what you had to be born into. There wasn't really any such thing as an absolute monarch, even in France where the state had become highly centralized. They all relied on the nobility to beat everyone in the country into line and give taxes to the crown.

Okay, so more like, you had all these people who had lots of wealth, but they were still not considered nobility, because you needed to inherit that poo poo, and they wanted a new set of rules for society that would allow them to become as powerful as they thought they deserved to be (as bought by their wealth)?

gradenko_2000
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Thanks again, I learned a lot today!

gradenko_2000
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great thread debunking this bullshit

https://twitter.com/gbelljnr/status/1006902565206781952

gradenko_2000
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TBH reducing the work week to 30 hours would be a huge improvement if you pulled it off for everyone and made it absolute and made the returns livable.

Like, how many people are currently working way longer than that for almost nothing.

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The fact that we don't live in post-scarcity is why the abolition of markets is important

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Karl Barks posted:

I've posted this a few times, and I'm just going to keep posting it!

https://jacobinmag.com/2012/12/the-red-and-the-black


read on to find out!!

thanks, this was a great read (compared to all that prolix)

gradenko_2000
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so how about Participatory Economics

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wouldn't just in time manufacturing allow for a planned economy where you never overproduce paperclips but also don't run into a situation where the region/country/world doesn't run out of paperclips halfway through the planning period due to an unforeseen circumstance since digitalization of the process allows for real time adjustment of production targets

gradenko_2000
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would requesting a sixer on this conversation constitute a Demand, an Order, or require a Purchase?

gradenko_2000
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I don't really think Miller would not want to be as brutally repressive towards immigrants, even if he wasn't trying to create some kind of reaction that could be leveraged.

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https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1009047375258816512

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Wheeee posted:

whole lotta wannabe Pol Pots and Hiroko Nagatas in this here thread

just lol if you don't "get" Pol Pot by now

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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

every morning Morzhovyye wakes up and open palm slaps a website on the computer. its current affairs and right then and there he starts doing the moves alongside his favorite character, nathan robinson

gradenko_2000
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Karl Barks posted:

70% right, 30% wrong

lmao I literally just read this reference a minute ago

gradenko_2000
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I don't think that a political party getting blackmailed by a neoliberal institution that controls their economic fate is necessarily equivalent, or even similar.

The US can, after all, print its own money.

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