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Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Jewel Repetition posted:

I can't wait to fight a socialist in the streets. I hope it's fishmech.

i'm pretty sure that purging comrade fishmech would be first order of business for any hypothetical American militant left

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Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Jewel Repetition posted:

Holy poo poo, are you like a holocaust denier but for Stalinism? Horseshoe theory is real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpNaV2Usxlc

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg

RIP

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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but have you read animal farm

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Jewel Repetition posted:

The number is lower than 11 million, and there are capitalist countries where people aren't starving, so that can't be an inherent problem with capitalism.

yeah, the point is that it's more profitable to provide enough food to those non-starving countries to produce an obesity epidemic than it is to provide starving people in the developing world enough food to live. Hell, even at the national level most countries with starving people have a food surplus, but it's not profitable to give food to dying impoverished people so, welp, sorry RIP

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Jewel Repetition posted:

Horseshoe theory riddle of the day: they want to literally kill an entire group of people just for who they are, even if they haven't done anything wrong. Am I talking about fascists and blacks/jews or socialists and the bourgeoisie?

make u think

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Jewel Repetition posted:

We're not eating cats like Cuba

Neither are Cubans, they experienced a food shortage in the 90s as a result of the collapse of the Soviet Bloc, but they've long since recovered, despite the embargo.

I remember a headline from a few years ago about their eliminating child malnutrition.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Jewel Repetition posted:

That's what I was referring to. People in the former USSR aren't starving to death either.

If you understand that Cuba's problems with food security in the 90s were down to the loss of their major trading partners and the US embargo, you probably shouldn't imply that they were a result of them being a socialist country.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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LGD posted:

modern society produces so many excess calories so cheaply that the very poorest members of modern society are in vastly greater danger of developing health problems due to over-consumption of non-staple foods than they are of starving to death

capitalism is a global system, and membership of "modern society" is broader than you appear to believe.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Jewel Repetition posted:

In capitalist Canada for example, last year there were zero deaths from starvation and less than a hundred deaths from vaccine-preventable diseases.

And as we all know, capitalism stops at the border.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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rudatron posted:

Why are the PSL trashing sanders? He's running on a campaign that he calls 'socialism'

Unfortunately nobody else calls it that

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Actual socialist parties care, apparently

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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The Saurus posted:

Why do modern leftists support mass immigration of unskilled labour, a policy created by and for the ruling class in order to undercut the economic position and solidarity of the native working class?

Do not imagine, gentlemen, that in criticizing freedom of trade we have the least intention of defending the system of protection.

One may declare oneself an enemy of the constitutional regime without declaring oneself a friend of the ancient regime.

Moreover, the protectionist system is nothing but a means of establishing large-scale industry in any given country, that is to say, of making it dependent upon the world market, and from the moment that dependence upon the world market is established, there is already more or less dependence upon free trade. Besides this, the protective system helps to develop free trade competition within a country. Hence we see that in countries where the bourgeoisie is beginning to make itself felt as a class, in Germany for example, it makes great efforts to obtain protective duties. They serve the bourgeoisie as weapons against feudalism and absolute government, as a means for the concentration of its own powers and for the realization of free trade within the same country.

But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Jewel Repetition posted:

The conditions were probably worse in the assembly than in the mining or refinement. But either way it's not my problem.

yeah let's all base our politics around the philosophy of "it's not my problem", that will end up well. Thank you to forum brain trust Jewel Repetition for this amazing idea.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Top City Homo posted:

Hitler and Stalin did work together. They cut up Poland and Finland between each other and Hitler had a deal on Eastern Europe with with Ribbentrop. I don't really why they would have to work together for eternity anymore than Mao decided to stop working with the USSR or Tito or anyone else. They all had ideological differences.

So is Neville Chamberlain part of the communifascist axis of evil too then?

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Top City Homo posted:

you don't vote for murderers you just happen to idolize one

lol at anyone who only idolizes one

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Top City Homo posted:

Bernie has done more for bringing a positive connotation for socialism, with people taking the time to study and read about it and discover how closely it aligns with US history into the mainstream in the last year than any one of these podunk stalinist splinter cults have in 100

by turning socialism into a codeword for capitalism, bernie sanders has revolutionized the US political landscape, truly

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Bob le Moche posted:

i'm not a fascist i just like moderating class conflict and giving absolute power to strong men and I think there's nothing wrong with nationalism and getting rid of immigrants and also I idealize classical hellenic history and i think the nazbols are cool

same

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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The Saurus posted:

How do you get people to volunteer to do the crappy jobs that need to be done, instead of just doing the jobs that everyone wants?

It sounds like you would need to choose people, based on who the state thinks is least valuable elsewhere, and force them to do those jobs.

robots & kulaks

NEXT

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Haha holy poo poo

The Saurus posted:

It would actually have been racist if I hadn't qualified it with the "dumb"

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Kurtofan posted:

Scotch-Irish

Scots-Irish. Scotch is a drink.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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The Saurus posted:

lol you loving what??

lol that's the only part of the description you dispute, huh?

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Karl Barks posted:

u must be the beta version

lol

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Sheng-ji Yang posted:

oh no lol that was matty



He got enough poo poo about that gross loving mess that he apologised about it recently lol

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/769266304570318848

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Karl Barks posted:

lol drat. matty blocked me on twitter :(

https://twitter.com/deep_beige/status/769255024551727104

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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asdf32 posted:

Umm the article is completely valid for obvious reasons.

looks like those circuits are loving up again mate

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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The Saurus posted:

working class ephebophile

namechange pls mods

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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The Saurus posted:

Ernst Rohm :smith:

lol this loving guy

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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The Saurus posted:

I don't think your strategy of continuing to attack people who may have once said a racist thing

is the One Racist Thing you ever did when you mourned a nazi a couple of hours ago

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

On the contrary, you can reduce literally everything to "material forces." We live in a mostly deterministic universe. Given the initial conditions within our solar system a hundred thousand years ago, there was only one way things could have possibly unfolded, which is exactly as they have. Free will simply does not exist; you were always going to make this post, and I was always going to reply to it in this manner.

(OK, this isn't exactly true, since we can now, for instance, use such things as quantum random number generators. Free will still doesn't exist though.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjK6EZPFZc&t=35s

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Majorian posted:

You're missing my point, which is that the commonly-held definition of "capitalism" in the West is "not Communism" - and that's kind of where the definition ends. That's why "we can't all agree that capitalism is bad." ("we" meaning folks in the U.S., Western Europe, etc)

wow majorian are you trying to tell me that everybody in "the U.S., western Europe etc." does not in fact agree that capitalism is wrong??

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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:agreed:

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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TheDeadFlagBlues posted:

I bet you like Jeremy Corbyn too!



TheDeadFlagBlues posted:

How the gently caress could any self-professed socialist oppose the party that is almost uniformly supported by unions

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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TheDeadFlagBlues posted:

Um, just so we're clear, I support Labour and I'd vote for them in any circumstance if I was British. I also think that Corbyn is a pest and a dumbass. I agree with most of his policy views; I think that his mentality towards governance is wrong-headed.

thanks for clearing that up TheDeadFlagBlues

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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TheDeadFlagBlues posted:

edit: no wait, this whole time this was a thread for the actual PSL.

if the democratic party is so good how come you can't read

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Homework Explainer posted:

shook, loving shoooook, these nimrods are shooker than hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYNRdis-4k

"Stalin killed so many people that they can't count them because there was no reporting on it"

lol Bill, you're making it sound like Grover Furr has a point

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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asdf32 posted:

Yep because horseshoe theory is good.

i have a theory that if you start posting by throwing horseshoes at your keyboard the quality of your contributions will increase exponentially

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

That depends on the severity of your friend's class crimes. If she's on the scale of a British royal then nothing will save her from The Program.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...o-a7397191.html

Jesus Christ. That's got to be a world record for Furthest Distance Travelled Up Own Arsehole.

she isn't royalty though

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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Just buy some loving socks

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Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

corby boy folds under pressure, witness his lack of opposition to brexit and the snoopers charter.

He doesn't put up much opposition to Brexit because he doesn't oppose Brexit.

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