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croup coughfield
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dex_sda posted:

lol you got bounced out? didn't you help start it?

not laughing at you btw, just genuinely am in awe that's possible lol

thats not what happened lmao

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i say swears online posted:

oh look at you, keeper of the secret knowledge from the lame leftist splinter offsite

I'm not particularly interested in rehashing everything; the offsite was a failure and that's that. I think smarxist is a good poster and I like him. I don't have any agenda here beyond some mild pushback on the idea that smarxist was somehow drummed out for being too cool or whatever. I'm dropping it.

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Mr. Lobe posted:

this offsite you folks are talking about, how does it measure to the LF offsite whose name I forget

Seems like a great place to play Werewolf if that's the way your tastes run.

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dex_sda posted:

lettuce or bleach?

dont force me to decide, this is the coercion of the markets

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Dreddout posted:

The other problem with co-ops, speaking as a former co-op worker is that market forces demand that co-op workers compete with other firms. Meaning you'll bust your rear end just as hard in a worker owned grocer as walmart, to do otherwise will result in your co-op going bust. Essentially the co-op workers are forced to exploit themselves in order to stay in the rat race demanded by the market.

Curious if this is any easier psychologically. Like, I'm not afraid of hard work but I have no interest in putting more money in my boss' pocket.

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Varinn posted:

as a non-anarchist ive never understood the absolute vitriol people always have for them when they come up. a lot of anarchist ideas/theory seem really interesting to think about (but not practice), and as a political force they're probably the one group with less power than us lmao

but people go OFF on them constantly. w/e let them live their weird lives

Anarchism as an ideology and driver of anti-capitalist revolution is good imo. Ultimately I view myself and the anarchist project as having the same end-state goal with some difficult but workable disagreements on how to get there. otoh goddamn we get a lot of self-described anarchists with no idea what the gently caress anarchism is showing up to organizing or activism work - not to participate, but just to posture and argue about whatever they think we believe. I chalk a lot of this up to online and try to focus on slotting them into whatever work they can't gently caress up for the short time they're there before they get bored or run out for being an rear end in a top hat, but goddamn its a hassle.

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Ardennes posted:

There doesn't need to be revolution in the US, the US just needs to lose its influence abroad and in vacuum, other ways of living are possible.

I don't want to be flippant, but this seems awfully convenient.

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Lady Militant posted:

The roman empire "fell" and yet I born almost 2000 years after the latest time of death for the empire can still walk in it's halls of marble in Italy. The USSR collapsed 30 years ago and yet what it did still influences our beliefs/actions to this day. No empire rules forever.

I could've been clearer. I'm aware of the weight of history. The original post I read came across to me as implying that we can all simply sit and wait for "history" and its machinations to take its course, that broad organizing and revolution aren't necessary for our liberation, and I do not agree.

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ToxicAcne posted:

It does seem that America is far more of a powder keg than the other first world countries but I can't shake off the feeling that fascism is a lot more palatable to their population than even mild social democracy.

well yeah, because america is fascist right now

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THS posted:

what do we do about the liberal problem, how do we kill liberalism in the hearts of americans?

Take their money and cushy jobs away.

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indigi posted:

this book is so insane

It's one of my favorites. I especially like the part where they have a whole astronomy department because they believe the stars themselves are an intelligence operation against them.

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Pomeroy posted:

Yeah, regular working class Americans just love epistemological theories of truth devised by anti-communist liberals working for Ford, and our opposition to such nonsense is why there hasn't been a revolution. Very good. Please face the wall now.

Pomeroy posted:

yeah, my office is closed thanks to quarantine, and I don't want to put local comrades at risk, so I'm reduced to trying to smash revisionism on a D&D forum. How the nerdy have fallen.

my favorite part of being a communist is being threatened with violence by other communists because they're bored online

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I think it was someone in this thread a couple days ago who said CPUSA either explicitly or tacitly endorsed Biden - is there a source for that? I can't seem to find anything.

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Much obliged!

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looking forward to getting those monthly checks from China

croup coughfield
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op, what is your brother's salary and net worth

i think we can suss out the answer from that

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Flavius Aetass posted:

that nixon is a pro-tier av

Just wanted to let folks know I seized this, so they aren't embarrassed later on by being confused with me.

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ButterSkeleton posted:

They don't give much a poo poo at all, correct. However, the best move people can make regarding the presidency is to pressure the poo poo out of them to do the right thing, because there's opportunity to do SOMETHING. That's because Trump / Pence would actively, intentionally sabotage marginalized people if you even bothered to try.

Obviously Biden is going to have most of the same blood on his hands as any other president. What are you gunna do about it? Take the most morally clear road where your actions won't do poo poo, not work with anyone so you can feel like the system purposely rejected you on a personal level? You have to also take some responsibility for intentionally choosing a harder road that's more likely to fail.

You can vote for Biden AND fight for all the other poo poo too. You can hate the fucker but know that it's the better option.

lmao

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phil got another one

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ToxicAcne posted:

What are some Marxist positions on Free Speech? It's one area where I feel pretty confused about especially after the banning of Leftists content on Facebook or Twitter.

They have nothing to do with each other. Socialism is a mode of production.

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lol @ giving a single poo poo who gets banned off twitter and why

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A4R8 posted:

chairman mao also understand liberalism very well and why it is so deceptive and toxic as an ideology, who’s essay COMBAT LIBERALISM needs to reposted here for recent morons:

quoting mao like a dog

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I heard the MCP-OC dissolved. I wonder if they lost their budget with the new administration.

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indigi posted:

good job Maoists

also what does “social investigation” mean in a Maoist context

Family court.

croup coughfield
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ok real talk what the gently caress is the post-left

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it seems like a bunch of right-libertarian poo poo

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Algund Eenboom posted:

Democratic strasserites of amerika is a funny avatar text.

taint ran again

Algund Eenboom posted:

Its people who want to distance themselves from what was traditionally considered "left" thought such as marxism, anarchism or social democracy. They are stupid because marxism is correct

what the gently caress even remains, primitivism? like what's the actual vision?

croup coughfield fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Nov 22, 2020

croup coughfield
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cant believe i never noticed "and lads, you know we're gonna kill all the gays" at the end of all my favorite communist literature

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indigi posted:

you’re right, historical examples of “actually existing communism” have no place in the discussion of building communism. ps youre a leftcom now

While you are correct that it has happened in the past, murdering LGBT people who don't own factories is not actually innate to the ideology.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Seriously, who cares if they call you commies? America has a permanent throbbing erection for bosses, offer EVERYONE the chance to be one and they'll jump at the chance. Tell them they should decide their own wages, their own hours, their own vacations, and no amount of Red Scare nonsense will make people be opposed to that. The problem is getting through that initial aversion to the brand, so just avoid it.

So what have you called it, in these discussions?

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Doctor Jeep posted:

they're stanning small businesses right now
their two main "theorists" are now gone after one was fawning over the other and the 2nd guy misunderstood it as criticism so he deactivated in a huff and the other guy then did it too for some reason
also:





so the "post left" is a bunch of liberal contrarians who ape leftist language while advocating for fascism?

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Mr. Lobe posted:

I think they can just be ignored without consequence

There's people who will call themselves about anything and say they believe in anything on the internet, it's almost never a good idea to dedicate your precious and limited time among the living to puzzling them out

if i was capable of live and let live i would never have created an account on this site and id probably be happier

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american leftism is when lapsed protestants realize they're on the outside

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discovering marxism on my ayahuasca retreat

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StashAugustine posted:

The US was also arming the Khmer Rouge at the time

I think that was the Khmer Republic.

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this sucks

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Hodgepodge posted:

From a bunch on pages back, but you've been trying to pick a fight with Ferrinus for awhile and its tiresome and seems to be a deliberate attempt to stir up infighting and drama.

Frankly I think you care more about your ego and drama than any cause at best. At worst you're deliberately wrecking.

shut up

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KidDynamite posted:

would the thread enjoy a book report style recap of my chapter readings? I don't think I will have any particularly new analysis, but I am the grandson of a woman who escaped Batista's Cuba by being caretaker to a rich families kids that definitely colored her opinion on Castro but I don't really get to know how because she has late stage Alzheimers and is non-verbal.. Then pops side is Dominicans from el campo. Definitely had a long path to be able to accept reading Marx. after arriving very quickly that the liberal ideology was completely trash. but not that the resistance to it via conservatism was also incredibly wrong.

anything would be better than reading more dumb poo poo about the word police so yeah lets hear it

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