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This episode was definitely better than the first one, but it's still not great. Hawkman dying was great, but Savage is just not a good villain at all, but especially to such a powerful team of heroes. Just time travel alone should make it stupidly easy to beat him. Speaking of which Rip is also a lovely character. He barely exists and I certainly don't care about him at all. He should have died along with Hawkman and left them to take the time machine and go on without him. Also, in the big fight scene, Ray was doing way better when he was tiny, just taking out a bunch of people as he flew by, but then he went back to normal size and had to start fighting them one-on-one in a much less effective way. And the ray guns are dumb, but only because we've seen them work much better before and now they've been powered down for no in-character reason. Didn't hate Stein in this episode though, so that was an improvement.
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Jan 31, 2016 04:28
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enraged_camel posted:or they can just drop him into a volcano! they are so stupid lol!!!!!! You say that mockingly, but yes, they could and they are. Vandal Savage is not a credible threat to these people.
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Binary Logic posted:And The Atom in flight is awesome. He's more effective than the Hawkcouple, in the first miniaturized sweep across the room he takes down 6 people in about 2 seconds, grows back to full size and immediately knocks out 2 more. Yeah, like I said earlier, growing back to full size reduces his effectiveness. Should have stayed shrunk.
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Feb 2, 2016 12:54
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Overall thoughts on this episode: Snart and his partner are great, Sara is great, Jax and Rip basically bring nothing to the table and Ray, Stein and Hawkgirl are dragging the show down. I liked Ray and Hawkgirl as secondary characters on Arrow and Flash, but here they're just annoying me. If the cast got cut down to Snart and his partner, Sara, Jax and Stein it would be much better. I'd replace Stein with Rip but there's the Firestorm thing, so...Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Actually, on last night's Arrow, they specifically mentioned that John Constantine fully restored her soul, so she doesn't have the bloodlust anymore. frgildan posted:Why not go back before he gained immortality? Seems like that would be the easiest way to do it. Jonny_Rocket posted:Does the fact that Rip has "seen Men of Steel die and Dark Knights fall" imply that there's a Superman and Batman in their universe? Could be a dumb theory, but it was just a random thought I had howe_sam posted:I like how Rip's the reason his family is dead. Zebulon posted:Now that he has more to do he's putting up a better showing. They're also doing a wonderful job of establishing why he's so dangerous with this episode. He has all the time in the world, and a long memory. Aphrodite posted:They aren't trying to kill him now. They're trying to prevent his rise. bobkatt013 posted:I forget if they ever owed how he recovered from being ash?
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Feb 6, 2016 14:36
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Mortanis posted:Well, they did name drop Oracle on Arrow. It's possible Bats is around and doing things and it's just not mentioned. Seems a bit odd that no one has ever gone "Hey, you're like that Batman guy in Gotham!" or "Apparently Gotham have their own Arrow now, but he dresses up like a bat for some reason?" And if they actually know enough about him to know that his backup person is called Oracle, it's even weirder to have never mentioned him.
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Feb 7, 2016 02:34
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The heist at the start of the episode was really good. If the show was just more of that it would be so much better. Stein and Hawkgirl are still terrible, though Ray's improving a bit. The bit with Canary and Hawkgirl was just way too reminiscent of the stupid drama that goes on in Arrow. It occurs to me that this show would be vastly improved if Savage was never seen, he was just this shadowy figure pulling the strings, so the team would have a reason for not being able to confront him directly and would have to do all these missions where they have to steal stuff, infiltrate places, sabotage research, etc. It's too late for that now, unfortunately, because Savage is already established as being very hands-on.
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Feb 12, 2016 06:25
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enraged_camel posted:Hell no. If there's anything we've learned from this season of The Flash, it's that a season villain who rarely shows up is detrimental to the overall plot, no matter how powerful he is. Zoom has been handled badly. That doesn't mean the concept is inherently flawed. It has been done well before and I see no reason it couldn't be done well again.
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Feb 13, 2016 13:20
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lotus circle posted:Victor Garber has literally no idea what he is even posing for. Neither do I. 
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So, people liked this episode? I was pretty bored with it, except for Rory and Snart. The Ray/Kendra/Jax/Stein bit was dumb, although Ray was quite likeable, which was a nice change. The future-Arrow stuff was mostly tedious because I don't give a poo poo about Diggle's non-existent son (and why didn't they make it his daughter?) or Slade Wilson's even more non-existent son. That bit where Sara "recognised" him was really dumb. It was incredibly obvious that it wasn't Slade, so I thought for a second that her being so sure meant they'd just recast him and expected us just to accept that. Then he takes off his mask and it's just some dude. Who cares. Also none of this actually happens because they'll go back and change the past. Also, didn't Rip say he specifically chose them because pulling them out of time would have no impact on history? If they can go back and prevent this future then that's apparently bullshit as well.
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Feb 29, 2016 03:28
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think he seems sort of like Dr Claw, in that he has a new scheme every week, then when he's beaten it's all, "I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, GADGET!" I don't get the feeling that he's been shaping or shepherding historical events toward his ultimate goal or anything like that, which I think (though I could be wrong) is what they're aiming at. Yeah. We have no sense at all as to the shape or direction of his plans. If he's manipulating events to further his goals, he's doing it in a way that is invisible to the audience. As far as we can tell, he may as well be doing nothing. He's got loyal followers, but what do they do? He defected to the Soviet Union, but why? What did that get him?
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Feb 29, 2016 15:38
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Burning_Monk posted:An actual solid episode. It really helps that it had nothing to do with Vandal Savage.
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Apr 2, 2016 01:09
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So if they kidnapped the kid and effectively made him disappear without trace, and it had no effect on the timeline, how would killing him change anything at all? This episode was super dumb.BrianWilly posted:Can we just call it that the presence of Savage in these disappointing episodes is the common denominator?
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Apr 8, 2016 16:18
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Fat Shat Sings posted:Or after they successfully beat him (one of multiple times) just toss his body toward the outer solar system. Go be immortal for eternity in empty space. Actually, doesn't he need to keep killing the hawks to stay immortal? And didn't Carter have all his past life memories? They could have just kidnapped three or four generations of hawks and waited for an increasingly frantic Savage to die of old age because he couldn't find them.
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Apr 11, 2016 05:12
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enraged_camel posted:How would he dominate the world? He'd need to step into some sort of leadership position (king, CEO, etc.), which he can't do because sooner or later people would realize that he's not dying, much less getting any older. Once that happened, it'd be a matter of time before the world united against him. He may be immortal but that doesn't make him invincible or omnipotent. His entire plan is a very long con and it depends on him not being under the spotlight. He already has that cult of loyal followers. His best plan would have been to get them into positions of power so that he can pull the strings from behind the scenes.
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Apr 11, 2016 06:19
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twistedmentat posted:Show would be so much better if Snart started stealing historical artifacts for kicks. Now I want to watch a show about a team of time-travelling thieves, pulling off heists throughout history.
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Apr 14, 2016 02:56
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Xelkelvos posted:So...Carmen Sandiego or Lupin III but with time travel then? I've no idea what Lupin III is, but wasn't Carmen Sandiego about a group of kids tracking down a criminal by learning geography facts? That isn't really what I was thinking of.
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Apr 14, 2016 07:31
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Xelkelvos posted:Hex is always a fan favorite, but nothing about this episode really made me want to see more Hex. Yeah, I have no idea what he's like in the comics, but the character we got in the show was totally uninteresting.
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Apr 15, 2016 05:17
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Maxwell Lord posted:Nah, I still like Ray and Sara and the Professor dude. Just wish they were in a better story. Hatrocious posted:The only two female main characters gossip about getting engaged to a man, then spend the very next scene cooing over a baby. nooneofconsequence posted:I thought the same thing but then Arrow started murdering people and I thought it was cool he wasn't a bitch like Batman. 
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Apr 25, 2016 03:42
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Kammat posted:NO NO NO BASH VANDAL YOU DUMBASS Maxwell Lord posted:Once again the Hawk people are just the worst. raditts posted:I knew that goddamn horseshit was coming and it still didn't stop me from yelling "Oh gently caress YOU" at the TV when it happened. xerxus posted:Why wouldn't Cassandra take over the army with Savage gone? DoctorWhat posted:Snart's convinced her, as far as we can tell, that Vandal's entire worldview is monstrous and dishonest and cruel. She doesn't buy into fascism anymore. Binary Badger posted:I get the feeling the only reason Ray could beat Leviathan was because Savage was stupid enough to assume he'd never have to fight another giant. The giant robot was super dumb though. Since the rebels didn't know about it it clearly wasn't being used for intimidation, it was super slow, it couldn't really be effectively used for either mass destruction or precision, and it looked really dumb. There is no good reason for it to exist.
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Apr 29, 2016 12:45
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Xoidanor posted:The number one rule of Doesn't really matter if it involves time travel or not, it applies to everything. Magic, technology, whatever. If the plot of one episode relies on it working a particular way, it can't work differently in the next episode unless you explain why.
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May 1, 2016 07:37
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WarLocke posted:Killing the hawks is what keeps Savage immortal, right? I mean it's not like he's just immortal and he does it for kicks, the fact that he tracks them down each time they reincarnate and kills them and sucks up their life mist or whatever is what keeps him going, right? greatn posted:Depends on how reincarnation works. You could die in 2166 and then reincarnate back to 2011. The Egyptian Magik won't be fooled by your time travel shenanigans.
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ubachung posted:The problem is 'stupid fun' works best when the characters are the fun part and the situations they encounter are stupid or absurd. We're getting the exact opposite of this. Fat Shat Sings posted:At this point I am rooting for Savage. Chokes McGee posted:I mean more than likely it's hideous writing but I'd be very interested of they run with "Savage is ruthless and callous but actually thinks he's doing the right thing for all of history."
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May 10, 2016 05:55
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FactsAreUseless posted:In the last episode that aired, this exchange happens verbatim: That actually sounds like a more entertaining show.
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ApeHawk posted:Can the CW stop justifying the use of roofies? Please? Not the best message to be sending, show. FactsAreUseless posted:characters didn't act like idiots Hermetic posted:I also love how subtle they were about the oracle's control. OB_Juan posted:Also, please don't use the device that can see and manipulate all of time to just gank Savage in Egyptian times, saving everyone a lot of trouble, then use it to find a different solution to the alien invasion. Blow it up for maximum vengence. ApeHawk posted:Yeah, their whole spiel about "the only way we stopped the invasion was because Savage united the world under one ruler, which we helped orchestrate" really falls apart when they LITERALLY HAVE THE SCRIPT OF THE SHOW AND A PEN. Apparently, writing history to make the birdpeople go away WITHOUT creating an immortal hitler and causing mass genocide is too hard. Also, if the aliens would have won and that would have meant no Time Masters, how do the Time Masters even exist? Their interference is the only thing that stops the aliens, but stopping the aliens is the only thing that allows them to exist. It's a clear paradox. Charles Gnarwin posted:Other than that, I enjoyed the episode because it was just action and fun character interactions (Roy and Mick eating desserts).
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Oh my god, you can't do something simultaneously at three different times, that makes no sense!  And haven't they just doomed the Earth to alien invasion? Also, the time masters still exist, right? They don't have their magic time-controlling computer any more, but they've still got their time travel ships and all that. X-O posted:in the last few minutes they go and remove the second worst part of the show entirely BurritoJustice posted:Probably the only drag was the whole "no you see you can't save Laurel because Guggy said so, she's proper dead" side plot.
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STAC Goat posted:I was kind of hoping Firestorm would gently caress off too (and it would have made sense since Stein and Jax have family they could have stayed behind for) but its ok. STAC Goat posted:So am I right in assuming that Time Travel Vandal Savage is still out there on his spaceship? I was surprised they didn't show it to us which is why I'm doubt it but the three Savages they killed were just the guys' in Savage's timeline, right? So the fourth Savage who set the whole plan into motion is still out there? Or was the Savage the Hawks/Rip killed Time Travel Vandal? In which case is there still a living Savage in his timeline until he gets kidnapped in Rip's time or did killing Savage in 75 or 55 kill him or why could they kill Savage in 77 if they killed him in 55? gently caress...
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STAC Goat posted:But Mick and Sara went and killed old Savages in the process of stopping the meteor because it was more satisfying and effective than tying him up in the corner.  STAC Goat posted:The destroyed the whole Time Master setup that was apparently manipulating time and history to control things. That's something.
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howe_sam posted:But Einstein had jack poo poo to do with the bomb. thrakkorzog posted:To be fair, the show has ditched some of the worst parts of the first season. nine-gear crow posted:Basically don't get overly attached to anyone who isn't Brandon Routh and/or Victor Garber. Mortanis posted:I really enjoyed that and two of the best villains the CW-verse has had being on one show is also great. I'd be super happy if the show was just "Thawne and Darhk gently caress up time" with our sorry looking lot of hopefuls here chasing after them and fixing it. Doktor Per posted:I want more plots like when Otto Octavius was kissing on Aunt May.
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Zebulon posted:Poor Ray. Says the woman whose super powers come from a necklace? Did she miss the bit where he mentioned that he built the suit?
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Carlosologist posted:Mick remains the best. bull3964 posted:The opening voiceover
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howe_sam posted:Why not just tear up the track? Bruceski posted:I was really worried that episode was going to end with "man don't tell Clarissa when you get home, she'll be pissed." "...who?" twistedmentat posted:Does anyone care about Stein's wife drama? His entire story as been about that recently. muscles like this! posted:Is there a behind the scenes reason Rip hasn't been in this season?
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Heroes vs. aliens? But in Supergirl the heroes are aliens.
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Caper posted:So Stein can 'fix' his mistakes, yet we're supposed to endure the tension of Barry being unable to fix his? Hollismason posted:I do like that they're like " loving with time travel is bad". howe_sam posted:Shouldn't Kara be the one to intercept the bomb? Binary Logic posted:It's really a shame that power didn't allow her to plough through the horde, trample and knock them down. Carlosologist posted:ha, Kara looks like Ray's cousin  TwoPair posted:Okay you know, thinking about it even more, I think I would have been more satisfied if the crossover literally copied Independence Day. Cisco (or Stein or Felicity pick whichever CW tech person) and Thea could take the stolen Dominator dropship and hack the Dominator mothership (Thea would be Will Smith and smoke a large cigar while Cisco works). Then they can have one of the Hawks guest star as the Randy Quaid role and blow up the Dominator mothership by flying directly into their main weapon. You know, it kills two birds (literally) with one stone: the Dominators are gone and we also never have to deal with the risk of Hawkpeople returning. Aphrodite posted:Cisco isn't on LoT, he doesn't know how time travel works. TwoPair posted:More importantly can someone explain why Cisco thought letting the Dominator go back to his ship was a remotely good idea? Like, it's not loving E.T., Cisco, you literally saw it killing and abducting people 20 minutes ago and now you think because you saved it from one guy you're gonna convince all the aliens that humans are just swell folks? Maybe the 50s MIB torturing it for no reason was hosed up, but keeping the alien around and running experiments on it would've been much more effective to the cause than your fantastic diplomatic skills. Inspector 34 posted:I'm sure this has been covered, but I didn't want to read the entire thread. How come everybody is on board for time travel fuckery exactly 1 day after they were all treating Barry like a piece of poo poo for time travel fuckery? Speed force?
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lotus circle posted:Honestly I would watch a whole show just about Eobard, Darhk and Malcolm being assholes across the timeline. Senerio posted:I really liked the episode. I loved Eobard's reaction to Malcolm saying something stupid right after he called Malcolm more than just a pretty face. STAC Goat posted:Yeah, they are a point of Jax being weirded out by Fake Stein and I took that as him not feeling the link. It's just kind of an emotional state of being thing and not mind reading
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Guy Goodbody posted:Wait, didn't he lose his speed? Presumably the whole thing went as it did before Flashpoint, just delayed by a few secondsseconds. Originally Thawne killed Barry's mom, sped away, and then lost his speed. The addition is Barry grabbed Thawne, took him to the future, and then brought him back a few seconds after. So shouldn't he have sped away after killing Barry's mom and then lost his speed just like before? muscles like this! posted:Presumably Barry loving around with time and alternate realities broke that part and now Thawne is free to do whatever he wants. Or alternatively, this Thawne that we're seeing is actually from a period after he met Barry in the future and before he went back to kill Barry's mom. http://i.imgur.com/F7bttaW.mp4
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Scyantific posted:gently caress MAN, putting Lescher, Barrowman, AND McDonough on the same team, on the same show, is probably the greatest loving thing DC has ever done. howe_sam posted:Oh my god, it's a legion of doom bonding episode Zebulon posted:I'd be down with backing that assessment. Not familiar with Supergirl but while Flash and Arrow have both improved this season, Legends is just plain FUN now that they've embraced the absurdity and "bunch of losers time traveling around aimlessly" nature of the show.
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howe_sam posted:Vast armies of tens of men... 8one6 posted:An argument could be made that, as captain of the Waverider it's her duty to make sure history happens. howe_sam posted:Also, I know they're idiots, but they really didn't plug any backdoors into Gideon Rip might exploit?
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Mooseontheloose posted:But yay! Rip's back! Yay? 
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howe_sam posted:I like Darvill as an actor, so I hope he sticks around, but with Sarah as the leader, Ray and Stein as the science guys, Nate as the history guy, Jax as the ship guy and Mick as...Mick, he's kind of superfluous.
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