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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Combed Thunderclap posted:

It actually will be interesting to see how the new 5% distributes itself. I'm guessing most of it will end up in Trump's hands?

Gilmomentum! He is surging up in the ranks, and is increasing his support tenfold in every state so far!

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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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I think that there might be enough sympathy in the electorate to give Fiorina a boost on any VP spot. I mean, I can think of at least 28,000 former HP employees who know exactly what she is going through today

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Your Dunkle Sans posted:

Yeah, it's pretty distressing of how foundational and rockbed these beliefs are. It really underlies everything else and can't really be (easily) broken through, it's practically woven into the American cultural DNA.

Unfortunately, I see it as a huge avenue that politically active companies/1-percenters can exploit and space to wedge in to continue to destroy worker protections/the welfare state/benefits since the general belief of "work yourself out of poverty"/"BOOTSTRAPS!" is so strong and so pervasive.

Oligarchies construct ideologies to justify their continued existence comrade

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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DeusExMachinima posted:

If it's a valid criticism of Uber, it's a valid criticism of anyone nominally defending a (rapidly crumbling) state of regulatory capture by taxis.
No, it isn't. Reason being, uber generates massive negative externalities whereas the existent system has adapted to address those

quote:

The difference is the latter sinner is a) worse and b) started it.
Because you say so. Amazing how you can make a moral judgement on who is worse simply by virtue of your "team" rather than considering societal and human costs within a system of ethics like everyone else

quote:

Fortunately, after Uber and Lyft are done crushing whiny bitches who spent six or seven figures on taxi medallions,
you realize that's how retirement works for these guys, right? They buy it, spend 20 years paying it off, 20 years building in equity, hit old age they sell the medallion to he next guy, retire and live off the cash. You are complaining "how dare the working poor be able to retire". Which is just one of the massive problems with it.

quote:

the rideshare PACs won't be necessary any longer.
right, because they won't then put the PACs to use to solidify their own position.

quote:

They're still relatively young and still have to dedicate a disproportionate amount of funds to making sure it's legal for people to commit the revolting crime of share their cars with each other if they so wish.
so you actually have no idea the problems and lawsuits uber is generating if you think it comes down to this. Or the market valuation and current state of the market. Or how to valuations and returns work.

quote:

Over time as they win legal battles and have to dedicate fewer resources to lawyers or as they pull out of less profitable areas long-term, you'll see a better picture of their future, succeed or fail.
hrm yes, a company currently valued at 62 bln in a 40 bln global market will clearly do better in the future, and isn't clearly headed for trouble now. I mean, it isn't like you had VCs howling to take it public so they could get paid and get out just Monday, right?

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Jan 9, 2011

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RevKrule posted:

They're trying to talk down the remaining idiots up in Oregon. Michele Fiore (state rep from loving Nevada) decided she's the only one who can play negotiator (or more likely, she's looking to raise her profile for larger office) so she's injected herself into the poo poo sandwich. You can listen live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlrSain0lk

I like her promise she won't let them die there and she's 3 hours away by car.

Way to gamble 4 lives for an election stunt


Also their list of grievances is still like listening to a Freep thread being read aloud

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Jagchosis posted:

Cliven Bundy got picked up by the FBI after deplaning in Oregon. :lol:

So what you are telling me is he is occupying a new federal building: a jail cell

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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zoux posted:

Here's Marco Rubio doing his best to combat the Robio meme.


AP reporting today that the Rubio path for the nomination is probably a brokered convention.

That's per the campaign manager.

http://bigstory.ap.org/urn:publicid:ap.org:41b348ce4b6c4841a95a4aefdc2ca9f3

:getin:

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Coohoolin posted:

Can someone explain to me what the hell superdelegates are and why Hillary's apparently got more of them or something despite losing New Hampshire?

In 1968 the Democratic Party changed its delegate selection process to weaken the control of party leaders and make the party more responsive to the voters.

In 1982 the Hunt commission (an intra Democratic Party commission headed by then governor of NC Jim Hunt, not an actual government commission) put out a series of recommendations on changing the process again, as the party blamed the 1968 rules change on the selection of McGovern and Carter and wanted to restore more power to the party to over rule or at least water down the choices of the electorate. The super-delegates are presently "distinguished party leaders" (chairs, fundraisers, former office holders etc) after changes in what qualifies you for the status over the years. Again, they are picked by the party and not by the state primary vote.

The number of super-delegates has changed but now are about 20% of the total delegates. A number of them are apportioned by state but they are not bound by the result of the state primary, letting them be wined and dined by candidates to secure additional support.


Tldr: a way for the party to exert more control after the plebes picked McGovern and Carter instead of people the elites approved of. I won't be shocked if adding them to the GOP doesn't at least get talked about in the aftermath of this year

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Coohoolin posted:

Ok, makes a fair amount of sense. So how hosed is Bernie because of it?

Well, they don't appear to be stupid enough to try to take it away from him at the convention if he is outright winning in the popular vote. They aren't bound to Clinton even after backing her so they would hop over rather than burn the party to the ground.

But in the mean time it means Bernie needs to consistently win ~2/3rds of the vote in each primary just to keep competitive with Clinton.

So it is a stumbling block. Personally I don't see his campaign going the full distance at sufficient strength even if they didn't exist. So I wouldn't say they are going to be what blocks him from the nomination. But they aren't a help to his campaign.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

I would really like for the primary process to be standardized and get rid of all the dumb bullshit that separates the two parties. But American loving loves dumb bureaucratic bullshit.

One of the biggest fuckeries the conservatives have pulled is in positioning what states have their primaries when. Iowa-NH-SC already creates a filter that disadvantages certain candidates just by virtue of the demographics and beliefs of the electorate; it means that rural-libertarian-social conservative candidates get the early boost instead. If it was Illinois-Massachusetts-Florida instead you'd see a very different set of views being privileged as they were espoused by every candidate looking at high office (akin to how ethanol is going nowhere because no congressman wants to be the one who killed it and then try to run in Iowa)

I basically have to salute Norquist for his newest and most insidious fuckery of "the SEC primary" where they are moving a bunch of Deep South states to hold their primaries on the same day early in the cycle. Because then, again, it means that anyone looking at the high office has to play to those folks, otherwise you'd be coming to the late states at a big delegate disadvantage.

I mean ideally we'd do like a 5 week primary, 10 states every week, selected to represent the makeup of America as evenly as possible. Then that done things quiet down for a few months and we have a short election. But that's not gonna happen so...

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Jan 9, 2011

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gradenko_2000 posted:

As a pure "mechanics" question because I don't want to bring back primarychat: Would it be fair to say that Sanders' shot at the nomination lies in having enough pledged delegates that Hillary needs the superdelegate margin to win, and then hoping the DNC does not pull that trigger over fears of delegitimizing the process?

Yes?

I think you are asking an overly complicated question here, basically "does he need to beat Hillary in elected delegates" or "does he need to win the primaries to win". You are overthinking it a bit (probably because it's a Byzantine system meant to confuse and keep power).

Keep in mind that as we move into later states there are a lot of "winner take all" rules so it won't be splitting delegates like, say, Iowa. If he wins a majority of the elected delegates it will be because he won a majority of the elections and I don't think the DNC will nullify that

At least I hope not, that's the one nightmare scenario worse than just the candidate losing to the GOP. Because then they lose and burn it so bad with the upcoming generation that the GOP gets a lock for a long time

Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Feb 11, 2016

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Nope. Dem states are all almost proportional. Republicans have a bunch of dumb rules on winner take all.

poo poo you are right, I flipped it with all the stuff I've been reading in the GOP process lately

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Fried Chicken being revealed as Mark Penn is... unsurprising.

Well now that's just hurtful

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Jan 9, 2011

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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

It's telling, again, how even people who are really high-information politic consumers don't know this poo poo.
yeah. Part of it is that like I told Gradenko, some of this is meant to be arcane and confusing as a way to trip people up (eg what is currently going on with the Indiana senate race). The other is that I think there is so drat much that if you don't focus on it as a job you will get overwhelmed - and even then there is so much the pros split it into focused teams.

quote:

:glomp: just giving you a hard time.

:hfive:

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Jan 9, 2011

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computer parts posted:

So not really politics but I just found out "cuckservative" word filters to "Jeb Bush" (quote my post to see which is which).

Amazing

Both this and that we can have a word filter given the ~*~awesome~*~ snippets of forums code Lowtax has been sharing.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Saturday's debate is going to be a loving bloodbath

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Jan 9, 2011

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If there is a god in heaven, please let them dump the proof of this out there and let this all come to light

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Jan 9, 2011

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Tune into the Oregon standoff now.

3 of the 4 have surrendered, the last is super worked up, says he is suicidal, and some sovcit lawyer is winding him up even more

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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America couldn't get caught in the Webb!


Yeah I dunno, wish he'd been in longer to make a stronger anti-hawk case. But his time was 2007

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Jan 9, 2011

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Despite the best efforts of some sovcit-tea party types to gently caress this up, the last Oregon occupier has surrendered peacefully

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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USPOL February: Bundy militants now occupying federal prison

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Jan 9, 2011

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Mitt Romney posted:

This seems like a pretty huge deal (if true). Hopefully someone puts out some proof or the US government was already monitoring their communications.

Well we know the latter was happening at one point, John Brennan had a meltdown at the senate committee the other day when called on that bullshit.

But gently caress the US Gov spying on political organizations, no way in hell that ends well

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Jan 9, 2011

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zoux posted:

Miss me yet?

Hmmm I wonder why they're bringing him out in SC. Did W perform particularly well in that state? I wonder why though...

Word is they are going to spread a rumor that Ben Carson has black children

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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NHTSA has ruled that the computer of a self driving car is the driver for design purposes.


What this means - a ton of regulations about vehicle design and safety are about the assumption a person is in the driving seat - headlight brightness, steering wheel placement, seat location, etc. this imposes design constraints (eg the headlights have to provide a specific degree of visibility to a given distance, this the lamps need to be a certain size and strength, which influences frontal design, which plays into things like force dissipation and aerodynamics and frame and etc)

If NHTSA had held the person inside was the driver, those constraints would still be in place, which imposes a lot of rules on the designers - basically they'd need to build 2 systems to control the car, one for people, one for the computer, and have to deal with the headache as a result (eg fitting in a lidar system as well as those headlights)

But they held that the computer is the driver, which relaxes (eg those headlights now just need to provide enough to alert other drivers that the car is oncoming) resizes (eg the headlight rule was meant to be able to detect what was so far in front of you at such amount of darkness so you could stop or swerve within X distance, now the lidar system needs to be able to do that) or removes (bye bye steering wheel) some of those constraints

Not as exciting as electoral stuff, but important going forward!

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Jan 9, 2011

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zoux posted:

Here's Ted Cruz with a pipin' hot and fresh pop culture reference to show he's a hep cat.
https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/698122551382269952

If stuff like this is ok in this thread, do we want to talk about how he ran an ad with a pornstar, and then freaked out and pulled it?

And about how the ad made Ted Cruz look like a knife murderer?

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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GOP congressmen come together to tell poor women that zika virus isn't so bad

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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I wonder where the US would rank if there was a stat on "number of students killed at school every year"

Probably not at the top, because cases of schools getting blown up in war zones would lead, but we'd be up there

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Jan 9, 2011

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Pinely posted:

There really ought to be a High School course dedicated to finance across the US. Individual school districts do it, but it's so uneven that it's basically meaningless.

Though I imagine the financial and tax industry would fight such an effort tooth and nail. I work for one of the big brokerage firms and its astounding how little even high earners know about the basics of taxes and investing. A lot of them have never done their own taxes.

Really, the only thing stopping Vanguard from completely taking over is the relative ignorance of most investors.

Ideally yeah, but what gets dropped from the existing curriculum to fit it in?

And keep in mind that when we are anecdotally noting what we should have learned in school it is with what we already did built in. We undervalue learning some things because the fact we did learn them makes us blind to the troubles we'd be having if we hadn't.

Education policy is not a small topic and is really hard

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Wow, Harry Reid is just lighting in to Alan Grayson to the press. He is really pissed. Rightfully IMO, but still.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Jeb Bush today bragged about being in charge of the Florida National Guard and the FNG running Abu Ghraib, in context of how "tough" he will be on terrorism and his foreign policy

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/jeb-bush-on-his-foreign-policy-chops-florida-national-guard?utm_term=.nxN95A86g


You know, before Trump got in he was at least being more circumspect about this, saying we would "go back to 2003 standards" (as in, before the reforms Abu Ghraib triggered)


That whole "we must move forward"-don't-prosecute-torturers decision Obama made is going to go down as one of his worst

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Jan 9, 2011

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Shageletic posted:

An article re Reid wanting to boot Alan Grayson


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/os-grayson-reid-senate-20160212-story.html

drat!

Its crazy to me that people used to support Grayson because he could be as spiteful as conservatives.

What's crazy to me is that the dialog has shifted so far that Harry Reid is criticizing someone for being a hedge fund manager. Like, he is retiring so he has a bit more freedom with what he says, but even in 2012 the Dems kept it vague on criticizing finance

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Jan 9, 2011

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Number line for +-*/ to grid for algebra to calc to geometry is actually a super easy and intuitive way to convey the material, even if it is very different from how we do it today, so stop hating

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Jan 9, 2011

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Math chat owns


I find that the common core stuff seems to separate out those who learned how to get the answers out of math vs those who learned math, if that makes any sense. The former are the ones who complain about word problems and "I never use this".

SumYungGui posted:

One of the more awe inspiring things to realize about math, and something that would seriously never have happened to me if it weren't for one specific amazingly good teacher, is that at some point it transitions into what feels like learning a language, not learning math. There comes a point where things just click together and you realize you're not just memorizing another stupid pointless formula, you're figuring out the alphabet of an entirely different language that can show you some really mind-blowing things.

Or basically this.

That people can learn to get answers out of math isn't a problem, it lets then get the job done and ultimately that's what counts. But understanding math conceptually is so much easier, particularly in our modern digital world, where there are tons of machines that can do operations for you so the real skill is seeing how to put operations together because you speak the language of math.

foobardog posted:

Well the point isn't even to just teach one algorithm for doing this, but to teach many and be able to train students on generating their own through comparison. This particularly applies to programming.

I don't use arithmetic itself all that much as a programmer, but I do need to be able to understand how to generate solutions to problems through the commonalities to them.

This is to the point as well, that understanding how operations link together conceptually is what you are really gaining here, not that 12*12=144.

Like you never need to specifically drop the quadratic equation in day to day stuff, but the skills you learn in algebra class of "identify terms, find what is missing, rearrange components to get the missing value" is something everyone does every day instinctively now.

If you want some real mind blowing stuff with math and concepts there is Godel Escher Bach. Which yeah is the one book every pseudo intellectual has read and claims explains everything, but it does that because it really does link together concepts in a mindblowing and revolutionarily different way that can change how you see the world. The catch is to not let it be just the one book you read and keep building on top of that.

The MIT course on GEB is on YouTube btw, really helps add to it

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Jan 9, 2011

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zoux posted:

Alright I don't want to hear another thing from you motherfuckers about how Ted Cruz can't pass legislation..
https://twitter.com/nielslesniewski/status/698190690652680192

Obama has issued a veto threat on this, which is basically everything Ted Cruz could have ever hoped for

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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ding dong mother fucker


this is going to be the mother of all confirmation fights

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Jan 9, 2011

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like this is literally a deus ex machina to save american labor

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Mitt Romney posted:

Even if Obama gets a nominee out quick and hammers them in the press daily about holding up the nomination I don't see the GOP budging an inch this year.

GOP flacks are already demanding that the senate refuse to confirm, delay decision to next president

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Jan 9, 2011

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USPOL Februsry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APs3TTRJq-8

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Jan 9, 2011

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the buried lede in all these stories: apparently Scalia had a heart afterall

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Xae posted:

The attack lines pretty much write themselves:
"Trump and Cruz are running for President, but they won't even show up in for their current job as Senators. The American people are smart. They aren't going to hand a promotion to people who won't even clock in for their current job."

1) Trump isn't a senator
2) That has been the attempted attack on Rubio by Bush. Was completely flat

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Northjayhawk posted:

What are the rules this term? If the supreme court privately already decided a case and an opinion is written or almost done but not released yet, can they still release it with Scalia's vote?

Obviously the supreme court can do whatever they want because there's no one else to appeal to, but have they laid out rules for themselves in this situation?

fwiw when I asked that a while back Joementum did some research and yeah, if the opinion is written it still goes live. If it hadn't been written, it goes out at an 8 member court. They do not re-hear anything with the new justice

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