A Buttery Pastry posted:

I feel like calling "Stop the war" nonsense kind of gives the game away.

Gumball Gumption posted:

Oh wow Keir Starmer posts here.

QuoProQuid posted:

Yeah, my take here is that this skater is underage and has been failed by all the adults around her. I'm unclear as to why her sample, which was submitted in December, was only tested yesterday, one day after her event.

steinrokkan posted:

I don't think there's anybody itt who isn't on edge, but I'd still expect better from professional reporters than this cycle of sensational claims and retractions.

Yureina posted:

Russia invaded Ukraine, seized part of its territory, and started up a proxy war in the Donbass that's been ongoing ever since. Am I missing anything?

Cugel the Clever posted:

I've found the nigh exclusive public emphasis on the provision of Javelins to be odd and don't know whether that is just a quirk of the media coverage. Buffing Ukraine's anti-air capabilities is just as important and it looks like some amount of Stingers have been sent, just without the same fanfare.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

The Holocaust is considerably further in the past than US election meddling, what with it being on-going. In any case, I was reacting mostly to calling meddling in an election* an act of war in a thread presently discussing the possibly imminent re-invasion of a country that was invaded less than a decade ago by the same country that apparently committed an act of war against the US. Calling election meddling an act of war completely deflates the term.

piL posted:

I'm sure it's somewhere in the last 5 pages, but its hard to keep up. Can you show the source for this? Most of what I can Google suggests much less authoritative language than what you're describing.

Paladinus posted:

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

You'll just confuse most Americans with this map.

e: why is Ulan Bator there?

Libluini posted:

In other news, Ukrainian ambassadors asks for 12000 anti-tank missiles from Germany, receives awkward silence

To be fair, their other demands are more sensible, like radio equipment and helmets. I'm not really sure the Bundeswehr even has 12k anti-tank missiles left in storage, though. They may get disappointed on that front.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Jesus loving Christ. Not even an opinion column, either.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

I don't think you can really separate the very long and very brutal history of antisemitism in the Ukraine from it's current predicament.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

They did when Lenin (who was 1/8th Jewish) jailed the paramilitary groups like the Black 100s and forcibly ended the pogroms.

pissinthewind posted:

It just doesn't really make sense to me to be rooting for either side in Ukraine/Russia right now, unless you're mostly worried about which country has the most imperialism I suppose. The rise of fascism is a major problem in the US that no one is doing anything about, but look over here! Nazi grandma is learning to shoot an AK to protect against Putin, everyone cheer? It just seems like Biden is trying to do the unity he promised by promoting nationalist imperialism, stoking the flames of war by sending Ukraine arms and riling up Russia, since domestic patriotism unity kind of poo poo the bed when he failed to accomplish pretty much anything. And honestly, having lived through that poo poo in the early 2000s, I genuinely can't believe grown rear end human beings are falling for it, again.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

*sigh* if only Lenin could have killed all the antisemites smdh.

The Russian KKK.

Fritz the Horse posted:

As in the quote above, this will be enforced pretty leniently. Most of us were aware that Ukraine has a significant far-right (neo-Nazi, fascist, whatever terms you feel appropriate) political element and paramilitaries.

mila kunis posted:

Are you referring to the 2008 war which was triggered by Georgia invading South Ossetia?

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I think the closest to a legitimate point is the issue of Russian-oriented citizens of Ukraine possibly getting screwed over in a scenario where Ukraine joins the EU, or at least makes accommodations with it. Seems like a legitimate worry that border regions might see their economic fortunes undermined, as Ukraine shifts its focus westward. Of course if that was the actual worry, I feel like Russia could've worked together with the EU and Ukraine to ameliorate those fears, maybe set up a special arrangement to reduce the risk of local economies suffering too much. I feel like the EU would've been very amenable to that, seeing it as a way to really start making inroads in Russia, economically and diplomatically. Plus a special transition period would probably be required anyway, given the size of Ukraine and its economy.

Of course there's a very obvious reason why the Russian leadership would not go for that model, that being it would undermine their legitimacy, by having ethnic Ukrainians and Russians both benefit from EU-sourced reforms. Something whichh would be hard to keep secret when the whole deal would rest upon continued economic activity between Russia and Ukraine.

CommieGIR posted:

Again: What saber rattling from the West? Versus actual saber rattling from Putin/Russia by actually annexing and invading countries? When was the last Western invasion of a Russian territory?

Good ask.