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roffels posted:I can't imagine I'll be the only one confusing these two films in 2019. Nah, anyone knowledgeable enough to know that Shazam used to be called Captain Marvel is likely to be knowledgeable enough to know that he no longer is.
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Baron Porkface posted:I thought it was never his name; Shazam is the wizard. Wikipedia claims he was renamed to Shazam in 2011 during a relaunch of the series. That may well be wrong and I'd be happy to be corrected if anyone knows different.
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Mar 2, 2016 17:35
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Electromax posted:Snyder hopes to tackle the TRUE Captain America next The Revolutionary War equivalent of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, but with a better visual stylist, is an indisputably great idea.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Superman was thematically tied to the Sun in that film and it was filled with light but people just remember the 'muted' tones of the film and assume it was grim and dark. Consequences are fine, plenty of people die in The Avengers. The grimness of Man of Steel is that Superman doesn't really enjoy his job of fighting aliens.
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Mar 7, 2016 06:16
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Tezcatlipoca posted:That was great though. Guy A. Person posted:Fighting aliens who want to destroy all humans is depressing, Superman totally gets it. Tony Stark is a sociopath for cracking wise while "hundreds" of people die around him. Yeah, no poo poo. I loving adore Man of Steel. edit: Sorry, maybe an overreaction. But my complaint definitely isn't with the movie. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Snowman_McK posted:Phil and some random German guy. Man of Steel doesn't show a pile of corpses either, you basically have to assume it based on the damage to the buildings, though obviously Man of Steel goes further in that regard.
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Mar 7, 2016 06:45
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CelticPredator posted:They literally show thousands of people being crushed to death by the force of the terraformer. I would be surprised if it were more than just a few actually shown. Most of the shots of stuff rising and falling is just rubble and vehicles.
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Mar 7, 2016 06:47
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CelticPredator posted:maybe not thousands, but a lot. I'd agree that it does a better job of implying widespread chaos better than The Avengers, because what doesn't it do better, but there's very few on-screen deaths. Even that clip keeps cutting away before we see individual people being lifted up or crushed. computer parts posted:What was the line in Daredevil? "Hundreds"? That seems like a lot of people to me.
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Mar 7, 2016 06:54
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computer parts posted:And really, in fairness Ultron was much more on the nose about the "no civilians were harmed during the making of this awesome fight" stuff. Which, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, I prefer to how it works in The Avengers. I'll take a group whose literal collective superpower is to prevent civilian casualties over a movie that implies a bunch of deaths without ever visually selling the destruction.
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Mar 7, 2016 07:20
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Rurea posted:Is her body still all juiced up with the extremis poo poo? Nah, Tony couldn't handle the heat, had it removed.
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Mar 8, 2016 05:59
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I wonder if at some point the movies will reflect that these guys working at newspapers is a full three revolutions behind how news is actually delivered nowadays.
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Mar 8, 2016 17:14
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Electromax posted:I don't mind it in the same vein as "no one recognizes Clark Kent as Superman" but to a pedantic person the existence of secret identities who simultaneously operate regularly in public in spectacular highly-visible fashion gets more and more silly, even before the powers and super-fighting skills and so on. And, since I'm the one who brought this, up, my intention was not to complain that the movies are unrealistic, but simply to point out that there's an opportunity that is being wasted to explore what it looks like to be a superhero/journalist in the 21st century media.
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Mar 8, 2016 21:44
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Man Of Steel does acknowledge the internet. It just says 'gently caress bloggers', which is something I can get behind. In general, sure, but the implication is 'gently caress bloggers' in contrast to, like, mainstream print newspapers, which is like, what?
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Mar 8, 2016 22:07
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Although I'm sure there is one, I don't actually recall even seeing a newspaper in Man Of Steel. The Daily Planet could be a mostly-online publication for all we know. It's entirely about the journalistic integrity. My concern isn't with the distribution format. The New York Times is arguably a mostly-online publication anyways. It's that you don't go to a massive organization like that to practice journalistic integrity anymore. Depicting a newspaper as a bastion of integrity post-Iraq War is as silly as depicting a politician as the same post-Nixon. I'm fine with silliness in superhero stories, but I'd also love to see something different.
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Mar 8, 2016 22:30
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Also in this modern era of paparazzi/celebrity gossip websites/obsessed fans/Anonymous/conspiracy theorists it'd be ever more increasingly difficult for any superhero to guard their secret identity, especially if their alter ego is as well known as Bruce Wayne and they don't wear a mask that completely covers their face. There'd be an exhaustive reddit thread dedicated to figuring out who Spider-Man is that ultimately concludes that he's a plainclothes cop who also happened to be at the scene of a crime, while freep is busy arguing that Superman couldn't be Clark Kent because their aryan wonder-boy would never work for the Jew media. Neo Rasa posted:She breaks the story via a blogger and not the mainstream print newspaper so the movie seems pretty realistic about this to me. Literally anyone I ever met from any print newspaper either has a blog and like three podcasts they do on their own or they're actively looking to exit news related work completely. That scene came off to me more as being frustrating because White is doubting Lois and worried about legal ramifications (which he's partially right about, the government comes knocking to find Lois like right after she runs it). The anachronistic thing to me is that it seems to treat the independent, online publishing of news as this sketchy "blogging" thing rather than just a way to publish stuff. Like, is legitimate news published on Buzzfeed a blog? soapgish posted:Some complicated web of vultures and assholes conspiring to avoid culpability for their actions don't for good guys in a superhero movie make. Which is why I'd be cool with Superman and Spider-Man just moving past the roots in the comics of being journalists.
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Neo Rasa posted:She has to specifically go through a renowned but questionable blogger because she's under contract with the Planet, so she can't just take the story to whatever other news site or drop it herself on Medium with her name on it. The idea that online publishing in general is invalid never ocurred to me in that scene (and obviously isn't treated as such by the movie itself, otherwise Lois would never have gotten to meet Superman via the army). There's no reason the person she hands her material over to as an anonymous source has to be sketchy. It could have been a friend at some other publication with more independence that she met for a friendly drink. That said, I think the reason they did it that way is to set up the plausibility of the guy eventually betraying her as his source, which is how the military finds out about her knowing who the hidden alien is. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 8, 2016 |
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Gyges posted:I like the idea of Clark being able to walk around on the street and live a fairly normal life just because nobody expects Superman to be standing in line at a Starbucks in warm up pants and a t-shirt. Not actively working to keep a secret identity, and everyone at The Planet pretty much knows, but Clark Kent is free to more or less live his life. This seems wildly inconsistent with the actual experience of celebrities going out in public.
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Yeah, I don't know about hassled, but as someone who lives in a city that's decidedly not LA or NY, I've recognized movie stars in bars or wherever and thereafter learned that they're in town because some movie is doing location shooting. And they're not people who can, you know, fly at supersonic speeds under their own power and therefore be easily explained as showing up anywhere.
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Gyges posted:Like if you saw Kim Kardashian with no make-up, would you recognize her? Maybe. And, note, there's a huge difference between not usually being recognized and never being recognized. Though this has brought the conversation straight into the not-particularly-original Superman-just-wears-glasses conversation.
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Elfgames posted:who cares if print media is still going in marvel movies? Don't worry, nobody made the mistake of caring.
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The MSJ posted:There's a chance they are going for someone not MJ or Gwen as Peter's girlfriend this time, considering that Zendayah has been cast as the female lead named "Michelle". Michelle Jayla Watson.
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Monaghan posted:I have to admit I did appreciate Whedon really emphasizing in AOU that the avengers actively work their asses off to save people while fighting the big bad guy. It's a nice thought, but I wish the movie did a better job establishing whether the challenge is saving the world or saving the world without too many casualties, because it can't really be both. At the very least, it would be wildly irresponsible for half the team to spend its time escorting people by hand onto rescue ships if there's a serious risk of most of the population of the Earth being exterminated.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:oh snap here we go someone threw shade on man of steel in cined 
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Boob Marley posted:You're goddamn right it is. Nolan's Batmans mean enough to them that they were willing to not pervert them into being the basis for their cinematic universe 
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What is Age of Ultron's suit of armor around the world but a big, beautiful wall?
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greatn posted:He says literally two words, what in particular is bad about it, that he doesn't sound like the cartoon thirty year old man? The delivery is fine in itself, it just doesn't work in a dramatic zoom-in shot with intense, pounding music behind it.
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Detective Dog Dick posted:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's the joke. ImpAtom posted:I assumed that was the point. It's being built up a dramatic moment and he awkwardly goes "Uh... hi?" I figured this would be the response, but then the music and the rest of the presentation should change to reflect that, rather than continue identically as before.
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Huh, I had assumed HIJK was making a joke about Tezzor's wall of text.
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Tezzor posted:"Wall of text" = one medium-sized paragraph This is a single sentence: Tezzor posted:When someone says "I like Adam Sandler movies because the man is a secret genius exploring the Jungian archetype of The Fool" then it's hard to not assume that the person is pulling your leg, and this is the standard type of the explanations for why these movies are actually good; not "I just like bright colors and explosions" but bloviating about vague and not-particularly-insightful notions of "artistry," overwrought and poorly-substantiated fan-theories and headcanons about secret depth and moral complexity, and, last, appeals to the sheer length of arguments rather than their points or value.
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Colonel Whitey posted:If that's the question you're asking, I feel like it's kinda self evident. Captain America proved himself capable of dismantling SHIELD with the help of a couple buddies. They want to get all these people voluntarily to fall in line because if they don't they're a major threat. Specifically, dismantling Hydra through his dismantling of SHIELD. And at the start of this movie a Hydra agent, Crossbones, will be performing a terrorist attack, which will create an excuse to put Cap and others like him under the control of another government agency. Which will be Hydra, because it's a Captain America movie. With Cap 2 being a take on preemptive war, Cap 3 may be a take on the theory that 9/11 was an excuse to push through whatever security reforms were already on the wish list, whether they had anything to do with the actual incident itself. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Lumpy the Cook posted:Does anyone here actually think it's a coincidence that Marvel finally included their superhero Black Panther in a movie about civil war in America? How stupid do you have to be? Don't worry, Marvel will make up for this awkwardness by making a Black Panther movie about how empowering it is for an African country to possess natural resources that are highly desired by the industrial world.
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Tezzor posted:Secret Genius Michael Bay The actual argument is that Michael Bay, as a director, possesses a basic proficiency in the language of film. That this is misinterpreted as an argument for him possessing secret genius, rather than mere literacy, ultimately says the most about the person making this misinterpretation.
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ALFbrot posted:How come nobody ever complains about how hosed up it is that Scarlet Witch uses mind control to make people abandon their dinner and evacuate I've read complaints about this. You just haven't seen them.
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net cafe scandal posted:That sucks. It's still good, and the worst of the abbreviation is felt in the first third, so by the end it's flowing better and you can settle in more comfortably. Also, the visual storytelling is so strong that nothing feels radically out of place the way it has in other movies that get hacked up for running time. Also, while the trailers disclosed a hell of a lot, there's definitely significant plot elements that weren't in them.
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Doflamingo posted:I think he learned about Darkseid from the kryptonian ship's archives. Bingo. His descent into madness is one of those Lovecraftian forbidden-knowledge about the elder gods sort of deals.
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The Dave posted:This extended cut is really becoming everyone's go-to for shortcomings with the film. Kingdom of Heaven really opened my eyes to how big a difference extending a movie can make, though I'm not quite as willing as some to credit a cut of a movie I've never seen. The theatrical cut is good enough that a longer cut is at least promising.
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Terrible Horse posted:One thing (among many) that gave the sense of the movie being structurally not well planned is that title card towards the beginning: "Metropolis: the day humanity was introduced to the Superman." I thought that was setting us up for chapters with cool titles like a Tarantino movie. It was never revisited. Though, to the movie's credit, that whole sequence is incredible. On its own, a much better take on the material, though I get why you couldn't present it that way in Man of Steel.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I haven't seen the film, so however you answer this, I'll take your word for it until I can see it for myself. That said: The "abused people abuse people" bit is a step too far, but Short Term 12 definitely presents the main character's abuse as providing her with the ability to connect with abused children in a way that merely trained professionals aren't able to match. It's a hosed-up movie. Jenny Angel posted:In fact it seemed like her own history was actively getting in the way of her functioning, homegirl was ready to torpedo her engagement and get herself thrown in jail for B&E and assault Yeah, and that assault is part of the acting out that helps her get through to the abused kid. It gets in the way of her functioning except in terms of helping abused kids, which is some straight-up Batman/Iron Man/Lethal Weapon poo poo. It's a hosed-up movie.
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TFRazorsaw posted:That being said, if we're expecting nuance from future villains, Lex and Doomsday already set a bad precedent, and Darkseid isn't known for being a character who lives in shades of gray. Heck, he's pretty much an anthropomorphic personification of evil - his draw has always been the grandeur and scope of it. Yeah, he's a perfect Zack Snyder villain. Snowglobe of Doom posted:A weird thing that BvS does is re-establish the "Superman just blunders into situations and doesn't care about or even acknowledge all the collateral damage" complaint that people had about the destruction of Metropolis scene and turns that into a plot point around the massacre in the African village, but then flips that by revealing the African massacre was masterminded by Lex and wasn't Superman's fault in the slightest and people are dopes for doubting Superman's actions (which I'm interpreting as a really unsubtle dig at the people complaining about Mos) but then at the climax of BvS they have another Kryptonian-versus-Kryptonian battle where a whole bunch of buildings are 9/11'ed but this time they make it clear that civilians weren't in danger. C'mon guys, can we stick with just the one history revision instead of piling them up like this? It's not revisionist history to give Batman a role on the team where he's the one competent to think strategically about the staging of the fight. TFRazorsaw posted:Lex? Gets "I was hurt and no one came to MY rescue." No look at his childhood, no flashbacks to his prayers going unanswered. Just a few lines and a bunch of pontificating about God that sounds like it was taken verbatim from a mid-2000's livejournal page. It's actually rather insulting, because it tries to use the serious issue of child abuse without any attention or care given to it, so all it serves as is a hastily delivered excuse. The movie is decidedly uninterested in Luthor's claim that it's alright to threaten to incinerate an old woman because you had a bad childhood, to its credit.
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Zombie Boat posted:Senator Purrington. That's a character in a hugely successful movie that includes superhuman violence and explosions. Played by real-life Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy, no less.
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