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Tuxedo Catfish posted:In the Discworld novels, aren't Death and the Hogfather and so on created by the human belief or insistence that they exist? Pretty much. There's a regulatory nature to it all but human belief powers it all.
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Drifter posted:No no Superman is a paragon of goodness and righteousness and him gaslighting his girlfriend Lois Lane at every turn is totally okay because Having Superman be truthful with Lois about his identity and respecting her intelligence disrespects the Superman mythos. #notmysuperman
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Dan Harmon's a funny guy and jokes are good.
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Aug 24, 2016 23:47
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So what I'm getting out of this is that nerds are jealous of Snyder's physical fitness and success with action movies and even go so far as to smear him as an Objectivist because of reasons.
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Aug 25, 2016 15:57
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achillesforever6 posted:Crosspost from BSS This was wonderful awkward humor, I'm looking forward to Thor 3 now.
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Aug 28, 2016 23:35
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MacheteZombie posted:All those electrical sparks coming off Doomsday was actually The Flash, he was there, he knows what kind of monster Batman is, he doesn't care though because he voted for Ron Paul. Wouldn't he have voted for Nader in that case?
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Sep 9, 2016 19:35
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:While I'm not sure if this happened in DC Comics, the Ultimate Marvel universe at least took a stab at this Seeing W in the Ultimate comics really turned me off that universe. It was hostile but also so masturbatory. Including real world stuff in escapist stories always turns out that way. I quit reading around the time that Captain America called the Hulk gay for trying to constantly rape Betty Ross. Man, Ultimates loving sucked.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:29
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Xealot posted:This sentence makes literally no sense to me. What? I swear to god this happened. Basically the ULTIMATE AVENGERSSSSS get together, and their first target is THE HULK. We are introduced to the THE HULK as mild mannered Bruce Banner, stalking Betty, calling her female coworkers whores, and trying to rape her. When she beats him up (I think that happened?) and otherwise rejects him, Bruce HULKS OUT and levels downtown New York. Oh that stinker! So SamJack Fury calls in the ULTIMATE AVENGERSSSSS and Steve's proposed solution to the problem is to go "haha I bet Bruce is a sissy queer and he can't actually get it up and that's why Betty hates him" because he's from the 1940s y'all, and everyone in the 1940s blamed their impotence on homophobia. That's realism. And then Hulk jumps from the Empire State Building yelling HULK STRAAAIIIIGHT and that's when I started laughing so hard I couldn't read the rest of the comic and I put it down.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:38
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Xealot posted:This legitimately made me sad to read. I hate this. do yourself a favor and never read Ultimates. It's a boring slog of edgy grimdark bullcrap after that poo poo was passé.
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Sep 9, 2016 21:36
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Cythereal posted:Isn't that the one that ran with Superman and Batman as a gay couple? Even in today's climate, I cannot possibly see that going over too well in some parts of the world like China. The Chinese government banned the Ghostbusters reboot because of the paranormal stuff, there's no way they'd let homosexual content from the States pass their borders.
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Sep 9, 2016 23:14
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greatn posted:I would have thought they'd be down with homosexuality since they want less babies and have a two child rule It was a one child rule and they got rid of it (too little too late considering how rapidly their population is aging and their gender imbalance leaving their men without women to marry.) Anyway, homosexuality is never cool under communist rule.
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Sep 9, 2016 23:42
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greatn posted:I thought they changed it from one child to two, not getting rid of the child limitation completely. That does sound more likely and I'm not a China expert
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Sep 10, 2016 05:56
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Something is very plainly wrong with comic book fans here. Well, is it objective fact or is just characterization for the two? Batman frets about whether or not he might be a face-fucker, which makes sense because Batman frets all the time. Alfred meanwhile asserts that he isn't a face-fucker because he believes in the Platonic Ideal of Batman and expects Batman to live up to it. Fans really shouldn't take it as objective fact when it's characterization though.
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Sep 10, 2016 18:43
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Pretty nice trailer to promote the DCEU in Japan Nice trailer!
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Sep 10, 2016 19:24
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Detective No. 27 posted:Tim Drake is filmable. It's just that the other 3 Robins have a lot more going for them. Dick was the first and he's had the full arc of growing up and becoming his own man. Jason is known for dying and coming back as the Punisher. Damien is the biological son o Batman and the grandchild of the leader of an organization ecoterrorist ninjas. Tim is..? BTAS did some interesting stuff with Tim Drake but they also changed his backstory up a little for that so...I dunno.
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Sep 10, 2016 21:22
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porfiria posted:I just mean that the movies, in their last seconds, convey the concept of "the hero is now a hunted man" in very different ways. By different I mean TDK conveys it and CW doesn't. The end of CW looked like Steve and Bucky were living in sin in Wakanda and Steve just made a brief return trip to get Sam back.
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Sep 20, 2016 15:21
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Codependent Poster posted:Captain America disobeyed orders to go save Bucky and company in the first movie. Captain America is about breaking the rules to do the right thing, regardless of what those rules might be.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The proof of BVS's success is that people are now terrified of Batman. He's changed too much. He's gotten worse. A line's been crossed, and something was lost. You can't go back again.Things have actually happened - and I don't mean just the steady unspooling of the runtime. People died onscreen, it was unjust, and it was Batman's fault. Batman made a mistake - and Batman isn't supposed to make mistakes! First of all I never said anything about what the movie did and didn't do so chill out. Civil War was a decent movie but it's also very forgettable. I'm just talking about Steve Rogers as he's presented in the MCU. Secondly, I failed to recognize any "hardcore socialism" in Steve's character in The First Avenger. His stance throughout the movies is stated quite clearly: that he doesn't like bullies and that he doesn't care where they're from. He's an independent actor first and foremost, provided he's given some prodding from Peggy. Third, I also fail to recognize any "corporate stooge" quality to Steve's character in Civil War. If he was that, than it was during Winter Soldier when he was branded with SHIELD insignias which he exchanged for the American flag because that's the only symbol he wants. Countries are by definition different from corporations. He's totally out for himself about twenty minutes into Civil War and doesn't talk about any companies or big organizations or loyalty to his country, because he cares more about Bucky than he does about other people. That isn't fair to Steve's other friends or even the world but it's true. Steve even acknowledges this in conversations with Tony if I remember right. quote:This is an empty platitude. What is the 'right thing'? Are we talking about justice? Is the 'right thing' libertarianism or socialism? I'm not talking about -isms and it's foolish to talk about -isms when speaking about abstract concepts like "right" or "wrong." -isms create division and little tribes for people to rally around so they have an enemy to focus on. Concepts like "right and wrong" are produced by socialization, cultural expectations, and the nurturing we receive growing up. Politics is downstream of human nature, which is what I'm more interested in here. Steve's stated goal throughout the movie is finding and helping Bucky. He's willing to circumvent whatever authority he has to in order to facilitate this. His actions are a result of his personal sense of morality, which he acknowledges in conversation with Tony. After the break-out from Martin Freeman's prison Steve has stopped caring about the Accords and is completely focused on getting Bucky somewhere safe to be deprogrammed. I only saw the movie once and I don't remember a whole lot of it, but I do remember that. So what I'm saying here is that yeah, of course Steve Rogers puts his personal morality above other people. We all do that. He isn't immune just for being Captain America. I agree that the movie doesn't provoke much of a reaction though. It's to be expected from Marvel right now.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Uh, I think that's one of the ideas of Captain America, actually. I guess it depends on your viewpoint. I never saw Captain America as an actual RL personification of the country particularly since Civil War: The Movie goes out of its way to point out that a lot of the conflict is generated by Steve being a self-righteous prick. A sympathetic one but still a self-righteous prick. That's how I interpreted the conference room conversation he had with Tony, anyway. And sure, there are lots of intentional parallels between Steve and the United States, his flaws are our flaws, etc etc etc etc. But viewed as a single character and individual, yeah, Steve isn't immune from making mistakes and being selfish and pigheaded.
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Sep 20, 2016 22:21
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Sinding Johansson posted:This is nonsense, you either don't believe in any sort of morality or have come to believe yours personally is somehow 'scientific', 'apolitical' or even 'factual'. This doesn't make any sense to me. Can you elaborate? What is it about morality that requires the attachment of political -isms? Why am I required to choose between socialism and libertarianism?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Because you believe that you do not have an ideology unless you choose one - despite unwittingly quoting anarchocapitalist character Lex Luthor in your previous post*, and praising Steve Rogers for being an 'individual [rational] actor'. Are you sure you're not assigning labels based on your own belief system? Confirmation bias is a heck of a drug my friend  I don't think Steve Rogers acted particularly well in Civil War -- the movie was kind of bland and terrible, and most of his decisions were based off his own biased morality. That's not a great thing to do when you're a super human that can jump hella high and punched out Hitler 200 times!But if we're discussing actual ideologies, I believe that ideologies mutate and transform depending on what time period you're in and the state of your culture and upbringing. For example "socialist" does not mean today what it meant 50 years ago. We assign ideologies labels because we're human and we like to have descriptors attached to things. People would still believe in libertarianism or socialism, even if those things were called by totally different labels. Ideologies exist and we use them as a way to define ourselves and separate out the people we don't like. And of course sometimes ideologies choose us, based on our upbringing and culture, as I mentioned before. We're each victims of our confirmation bias. Humans are quite irrational creatures! Sinding Johansson posted:There is no divide between politics and morality. The 'isms' you speak of are actually a taxonomy of moral thoughts. A liberal view of justice is different from a libertarian or socialist view. Rejecting the label does not make your conception of morality neutral, it distances yourself from an existing body of critical thought. It isn't choosing to be objective, only to be ignorant of the origins, history, implications, etc. of your own ideology. I'm not rejecting any labels. If you asked me about my politics in real life I would give you an earful about those -isms and which one I espoused. I just don't give a poo poo about what -isms are driving Steve Rogers in the MCU. I never claimed to be objective: that's a label you're trying to foist on me because of your own confirmation bias. You can analyze the subtext of -isms if you want, I just don't really care since we get so much about politics in our everyday lives. It's nice not to think about it for a while. It's a movie about a closeted bisexual Army captain that punches his way to moral triumph, his politics are the least interesting thing about him. Martman posted:SMG was questioning your claim that Captain America is about "doing the right thing" when you weren't willing to define what the right thing is. I defined "doing the right thing" as Steve trying to save Bucky and get him deprogrammed. I guess if you want to go more deeply into it, Steve thinks that Bucky didn't actually do anything, and is trying to prove his innocence and keep him from suffering at the hands of a global government that wants a scapegoat and is being manipulated by Baron Zemo. At least that's what I remember, I only saw the movie once  Captain America is about doing the right thing -- which is defined by what he thinks is right and correct, as it is with all individuals. I'm not saying this to be spiteful to Steve or to any other real person, I'm only pointing out that as squishy and irrational humans "the right thing" is a very slippery concept. None of us have the complete picture of reality and Steve Rogers can only act in accordance with the things that he knows. That is all anyone can do. e: I mean technically the conversation is moot, since "Steve Rogers doing the right thing" is defined as "whatever the person writing his lines thinks is morally correct." HIJK fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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computer parts posted:This is an example of ideology, specifically libertarian ideology. By ideology, I mean in terms of "the default assumptions held that seem 'natural' or 'common sense' ". That's a good point, actually, though our values and such are shaped by the culture and groups around us -- does that count as a social measure?
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Sep 21, 2016 04:57
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Martman posted:How is he about this idea any more than any other character in the movie? Or most movies, for that matter. What are you talking about? I'm not describing an idea, I'm describing a process, specifically the process that brings people to have individual morals. If someone asks "what is 'doing the right thing?'" then you have to give them a philosophical treatise. I'm not interested in doing that, especially on a question that's been debated for thousands of years. TetsuoTW posted:A sympathetic, but self-righteous prick known to occasionally be pig-headed, selfish, and gently caress things up sounds like a pretty spot-on description of America. Yes, that's why I wrote down that second paragraph. But no matter how accurate it is, I just can't bring myself to give a poo poo. Steve is Steve.
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Sep 21, 2016 07:55
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I think we're approaching the unavoidable conclusion that comic book fans push this No Kill Rule, or that Captain America stands for nothing, because they have no sense of ethics or even basic morality. Nobody's thought about what justice is, or what law is. Human rights. Democracy. These things are all irrelevant. Western civilization is effectively over. Art and its consumers reflect that.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Isn't Rosario Dawson's character in the Netflix series supposed to be Night Nurse? The Netflix shows gettin' shafted because God forbid Marvel have to work at continuity.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:58
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I dropped Daredevil S2 because the Elektra stuff lost me, but... Skip everything with Elektra in it and it immediately becomes fantastic.
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Sep 29, 2016 03:09
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:"Bucky, it's been 200 years. Steve is dead. The Chintari have taken over. Everyone you know is gone." 
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Burkion posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-C4qqsgs8w Do we have a PR movie thread? If not, should I make one?
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Oct 8, 2016 19:43
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RBA Starblade posted:I've only seen one episode of Sherlock, and it was the one where it turns out the villain was also really good at remembering things and had blackmail on everyone in his head and was about to gently caress someone over somehow, and the solution to the problem was Sherlock just shooting the dude in the head. That was Series 3 and it just kind of sucked in comparison to Series 2. Unfortunately in order to write clever Sherlock Holmes stories, the author has to be a clever person, and while Moffat and Gatiss are creative showrunners they don't really qualify as "clever."
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Oct 11, 2016 15:40
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Every comic book movie should be filmed in stark fluorescent on pure white sets with no fight scenes and no one should be allowed to wear make up.
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