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NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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fishmech posted:

It was not uncommon during the revolution times for people to be half-serious about running the new country in German, so as to better spite the King

"Let's all start speaking German. That will really piss off that drat English King, Georg III Wilhelm Friedrich von Hannover, Kurfürst von Braunschweig-Lüneburg!"

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NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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MickeyFinn posted:

I just moved to Trieste from California and my first question for the people of this area is why anyone goes to these little “towns.” Trieste itself is a tiny speck of a town, Basovizza and Padriciano look like old people encampments.

I'm not sure I understand the question. Why do people go to *googles tiny Californian towns* Adelanto, Agoura Hills, or Alameda?

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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It will replenish our strategic reserves of overly-polite tea-drinking left-hand-side-driving island former-empires.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Dragostea Din Tei or bust.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

Keep Anglo untermensch out of our perfect union :o:

'Tis butt, U.N. iron iCally.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Pissflaps posted:

It’s going to be very disappointing for xenophobes in the UK, the EU and this thread when the eventual deal - if one is ever required - is some massive fudge that leaves the UK with most of the benefits and responsibilities of EU membership and little economic shock as a consequence.

As long as that fudge leaves the UK with zero veto powers and representation within the EU, I think Blut and dirty lousy tramp will be quite happy, if I'm reading their shitposts correctly.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

pigdog posted:

Baudet is fantastic. He and Jussi Halla-aho are probably the politicians I admire the most. In my country the nationalists are much more hardcore and abrasive/Trumpian in style, but in this day and age, that's already unnecessary. The globalist left simply has no legs to stand on. They universally lose any public debate they dare enter, and that's why they only fight using censorship, lame propaganda, violence, and importation of voters who depend on them. It may have short term effectiveness, but at the same time it means are utterly unable to convince and convert anybody outside their bubble on the right. Slowly but inevitably, the tide is turning. Just wanted to say I'm happy for the Dutch, and best of luck getting their country back.

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Baudet certainly represents an interesting formula, and a step up from Wilders, but let's face it, he's still in the 'I'm an upstart party and my biggest concern is to get attention' phase of his political arc.

Orbán said in his BHL interview (French, English) that he wouldn't ally with Marine Le Pen because, not being in government, she can say anything and not have to deal with the consequences of her proposal. The same concern should apply to any right-winger who looks at Baudet with anything more than cautious, watchful optimism.

Plus I don't trust how his politics seem less the product of a coherent, native worldview and more like the regurgitation of American memes. Climate change denialism? loving Nexit? Is he looking to represent Dutch conservatism / nativism, or to get upvotes on r/The_Donald? Every serious European right wing movement has some ideas that are peculiar to their own nation, rooted in their history, and distinguish them from the Anglo-Saxon right wing ideologies; I find it difficult to believe that the Netherlands ought to be an exception. If he "clearly believes what he's saying", as Pluskut Tukker postulated, that's even more concerning.

Still, if you pay attention, one thing you and the left-wing goons seem to 100% agree on is that the biggest priority for the modern-day European right wings is to get more Goldwater-esque (Bernie Sanders-esque?) figures who can take formerly fringe positions and make them acceptable, even appealing to the politically uninterested bourgeoisie. And the key thing about such figures is that they don't need to win to leave a mark on their country.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Shibawanko posted:

With him, it's also something of a reaction against Dutch traditional culture, where grandstanding and big gestures and intellectual pretensions were always discouraged.

A cousin of the Law of Jante, I guess?

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Danish links are fine, even if most readers can't speak it, machine translation does Scandinavian <-> English really easily.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Yeah Franco TOTALLY would have kept them out of the war had hitler beaten the soviets or brits he definitely wouldn't have blown into portugal and Gibraltar.

Franco also allowed Italian frog men basing rights for moves into Gibraltar.

Well I don't think that the Spaniards who say "Franco kept us out of the war" would particularly object to the addendum "but he would have joined at the last moment, if he thought Germany had it in the bag".

I'm genuinely curious, what's the leftist reading of the Hendaye meeting? Just a bit of horse trading, with Franco wanting to join but needing to get enough territorial bribes to convince his inner circle to support him? Or a real breach between Fascist leaders with different priorities?

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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I remember when I learnt about the Five Eyes agreement and, in the naiveté of my youth, was flabbergasted that the UK hadn't been kicked out of every remotely sensitive European program as soon as it had become public knowledge.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Man why would you pay those crazy Irish or French investment rates when Latvia is practically giving EU citizenship away.

Residency, not citizenship. You still need 10 years to become a citizen.

I'm a lot more OK with selling residency vis-a-vis citizenship. I think residency should mean "Hey, I'm not bothering anyone if I move here, am I?", and investing into legitimate business is a decent enough proxy for that (though it should be investment, not just spare cash - don't want Pablo Escobar to casually move in - and it should be proportionate - a worker buying a mortgage for a house signals a lot more than Bezos buying a palace). Citizenship means "I am a part of this nation, its well-being is my well-being, its people are my people" and that should not be purchasable in any way - except with your blood a la foreign legion.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Junior G-man posted:

I'd be very very happy with a bunch of inflation eating my debt.

'sup fixed-rate mortgage buddy

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Blut posted:

European countries generally mostly rank fairly highly on food security. We should be comparatively ok on the starvation front in the upcoming global thunderdome:





I think this chart needs a bit more explanation, and/or it's not describing the same kind of self-sufficiency that the thread is discussing.

Like, I see Singapore on the list. It's a city-state with zero arable land and it imports 90% of its food. It undoubtedly gets a high score because it has an excellent supply chain and it imports from many different countries (160 at a quick googling), but at the end of the day it's still fundamentally dependent on foreign imports and if literally everybody locked their borders, however unlikely, they'd starve.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Venomous posted:

once again, nobody has learned anything from the past hundred years

this will definitely not incentivise people to vote for far-right Eurosceptic parties, nope

not at all

SlowBloke posted:

A Tecnè poll is making the rounds on all right/centre-right aligned papers

https://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/sondaggio-tecn-italiano-su-due-vorrebbe-litalia-fuori-dallue-1853377.html

Apparently the dataset polled by Tecnè seems unhappy with the dutch/german wombo-combo.

20% jump in pro-euro exit answers.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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I think you all aren't giving enough weight to the previously-mentioned problem that the most powerful political positions still don't require an ambitious politician to give a single poo poo about voters outside their country.

In every working federal state, local politicians almost always aspire to move from the state to the federal levels, and when they do so they'll have to campaign all over the federation. If their platform was "gently caress the rest of the country" their prospects will not be great.

Neither of those is true of the EU. Bruxelles is considered a consolation prize for failed PMs, and European elections feature virtually zero cross-border campaigning by the candidates.

The latter problem is essentially a logistical one (language barrier, national media interests) and it may be solvable. But the former is a political problem: if nobody powerful wants to go to Bruxelles, how does Bruxelles get the power to attract them in the first place?

Is anyone here well-versed in the history of the early USA? How did they evolve from a loose federation to the rather meaningfully tight one it became later? I don't mean the Civil War, I mean before that - the EU would wish to be as centralised as mid-19th century America.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Whoa, whoa, wait a moment there. Are you not aware that Iceland nationalized the banks it bailed out and as a result it's now a lawless hellhole that makes South Sudan look like Switzerland?

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Sending relief supplies and then modestly refraining from telling anyone is an excellent way to go to Heaven while completely squandering your much-vaunted soft power.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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100YrsofAttitude posted:

You often hear that France and Germany call the shots in the EU, and I get why Germany is there, and I sort of understand why France is too, but what sort of clout does France genuinely have that Italy or Spain don't?

I can't speak for Spain, but in Italy a common concern is that the political instability hurts us in negotiations, at least when those negotiations happen at the executive level.

A French president or German chancellor, once elected, can safely be counted on to be around for five years to implement whatever policy they push. An Italian prime minister is highly likely to be replaced within one year by a different one (or the same one, in Conte's case :v: ) who will be supported by different parties and have drastically different policies. If he opposes something, it's tempting to just stonewall him for a few months and hope the next one is more friendly.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Angry Lobster posted:

This line can be applied almost verbatim to Catalans (and Spaniards) as well. Reality is never simple, sadly.

It can be totally applied to every country in the continent, except for Vatican City and the Knights of Malta (whose couple dozen diplomatic passport holders are presumably well-educated individuals).

Most people never get seriously interested in politics, beyond what they need to know to apply for tax deductions or welfare benefits. Sports-like banter a la "the government are a bunch of rich corrupt bastards! *burp*" doesn't count as serious interest.

This is not a good thing, in the sense that the country would run better if everybody spent maybe 15 minutes a day fact-checking the day's headlines, but it is very much a good thing in the sense that it's a sign of a stable, peaceful, reasonably livable society if ordinary people can afford to just forget the government exists. Places where being up-to-date on the political situation is an essential skill tend not to be very nice places to live in.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Nazifascism has, by far, the best political program for saving the planet (kill off 90% of the human species). Therefore, it is the only moral choice to support. QED.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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My music player just served me a very topical verse:

"The perfectibility of human nature is infinite: we shall therefore nurture infinite dreams with infinite amounts of blood. Failures are therefore successes and mere steps on the triumphant march towards bliss."

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Libluini posted:

To be fair to your strawmen, I did make a serious attempt at telling you what my ideal socialist society would be, but apparently you missed my post???

Just so we're clear, this is what you refer to as a serious attempt at describing a socialist society?

Libluini posted:

In school I came with this mad plan of some sort of heavily mechanized and automated society, everyone would get income based on energy credits, building crap that destroys the environment would be strictly forbidden, there were heavy limits on the amount of stuff a single person was allowed to own, just basic things I thought would be necessary to get out of our capitalim-induced death spiral.

Of course everyone concentrated on the point where everything is controlled by robots since Humans are clearly too stupid to rule themselves, and I hide that poo poo away in shame. It took me about 20 years to slowly realize that my plan was basically just "Communism, but with Robots!".

If we cross out the ruler-part where I just scribbled down "SkyNet??? Possible use a better name." and replace it with something our technology today actually allows, there you have it: A good plan to replace capitalism. I called it the "Technocratic Republic".

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Entropist posted:

The Dutch government seems to have taken a turn towards being interested in nuclear again, as putting windmills in everyone's backyards is proving to be extremely unpopular.

The Dutch of all people disliking windmills is profoundly ironic.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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I imagine that if you told the CH editors "Your caricature of Erdogan is rude, insensitive, mean, unfunny, and offensive because <literally any reasoning whatsoever>" their response would be "Of course it is! Thank you so much for noticing!".

And the only response it would be OK for you to give back is "Well, I'm not going to buy your magazine then, au revoir".

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Rappaport posted:

But do I get to ask the nice officer to come with me back to my apartment's door to show him I have a passport? How does that work in practice? It still seems like a very onerous NIMBY legislation thing.

I don't know if the same applies in Germany, but in Italy AFAIK you are required to identify yourself if the nice officer asks you to - whether because you did something wrong and he needs to fine you, or because e.g. you need to be registered as a witness to a crime.

Most adults will have their driving licence with them which is valid ID, so it's not an issue. But it's totally OK if you left your ID at home or in the car - let's say you're at the beach, for example! - but yeah, you'll need to go grab them if necessary. And if you can't or refuse to do so, then yes, you can be detained until you are identified one way or another.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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I guess that's what a Ph.D. from the school of hard knocks looks like.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Truga posted:

you can tell columbo is fiction because he's a cop that exclusively goes after rich white people lmao

https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/lessai-et-la-revue-du-jour-14-15/columbo-la-lutte-des-classes-ce-soir-la-tele-revue

related umberto eco quote:

quote:

But Columbo, worse dressed than Derrick, moves with his proletarian ways in a world of handsome and powerful Californians, who treat him like trash (and he encourages them), certain that this leftover from some distant immigration will not be able to break through their guard and pierce the barrier of their arrogance. Columbus corners them with a few psychological tricks of perfidious sophistication, pulls an unsuspected ace of spades from his sleeve, and leads them to their ruin by exploiting their confidence. The audience enjoys this fight between the pygmy and the clay-footed giant, and goes to sleep with the feeling that someone, as humble and honest as they are, has avenged them by punishing obnoxiously rich, beautiful, talented and powerful characters.

NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jun 11, 2021

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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I have this vague recollection that "if you are going to shoot, shoot to kill" is a guideline for private citizens engaging in self-defence, and not specific to any particular country or even to guns (it applies to e.g. knives as well).

Basically, the only reason to use potentially lethal weapons is if you're in fear for your life and retreat is not an option for whatever reason (you have a child with you, attacker is chasing you, etc.). If you're in a "it's them or me" situation, it's ok to pull out all the stops and go for the attack that is most likely to put them out of commission, i.e. centre mass.

Now aiming for the arms or legs isn't bad per se, but it's a strong indicator that you weren't quite as much in fear of your life as you claimed, because you felt safe enough to take the risk (to yourself) of missing or failing to disable the attacker. You wouldn't do that if your life was actually in danger, or your child's life, and you might get challenged on that during the investigation of the killing.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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suck my woke dick posted:

Tbh this is one of the better ones, it actually has a reject all button (just needs to be legally clarified this includes any ~legitimate interests~) and the button isn't even unreasonably inaccessible.

The really poo poo ones have an accept all button and about 35 tiny buttons you have to click to reject all.

When I get one of those I just go for the nuclear option:



(gif made using the Atlantic only because it was at hand)

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

Who knows what Putin was actually thinking when he decided to invade Ukraine – if at all – but it's been clear for decades that Russia sees Ukraine as their backyard. You say NATO has nothing to do with it, but that's not how the Russians are seeing it, but I guess they'll change their minds if you pop into Moscow and call them morons in thinking so.

No, this whole mess started when EU stumbled into Ukraine, and Putin suddenly realising that Ukraine was actually thinking of joining them. Idealistically countries should join whatever union or alliance they want, but in the world of realpolitics that is not without consequences. Which is what we are reaping at this moment.

A proportionate and understandable response to the EU trying to get Ukraine into its sphere of influence was for Russia to hike up gas prices, trying to sabotage our diplomatic relationships, and so on.

Rolling tanks into Ukraine and starting shelling cities is on a completely different level and enters a completely different set of rules. That escalation is solely on Putin's head. Does anybody believe that if Ukraine had joined NATO, Western powers would have sent Leopards and Abrams rolling into St. Petersburg?

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

St. Petersburg? Moscow is so much closer to the Ukraine border.

Piter is much closer to the NATO border (Estonia, and possibly Finland soon).

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Crimea staying Russian seems the most tolerable concession for Putin to save face. It's been under Ukraine only for a relatively short amount of time:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_transfer_of_Crimea

So, unless the article above is full of bullshit, the situation is that a historically Russian region was peacefully transferred to Ukraine by the USSR, peacefully acknowledged as Ukrainian by Russia 20 years ago, and then forcefully annexed back by pure might makes right.

Under ideal conditions a referendum with neutral observers could be undertaken, Crimeans would likely vote for Russia although not with 95% majority or whatever, and both sides could save face.

But, and I hope I am not being too dramatic here, we are not quite operating under ideal conditions.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Knightsoul posted:

It's very strange that this thread doesn't discuss some interesting and recent news: for example, a british official speaker who reveal the true aim of our sanctions aren't to help Ukraine, but in reality to overthrow Putin from power.

:lmao: like that's some dark secret? We're pushing Russia to make them back off, but assuming Putin won't back down himself, of course the only other option is for other Russians to get sick of economic disaster and remove him (and then back off Ukraine and get the sanctions lifted).

This is literally public knowledge and widely supported by the population.

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Or Miss Von Der Leyen who decided on her own to protect our minds from the evil russian propaganda and ban the russian news channels all over Europe.

Yeah, Zensursula lives up to her old nickname. I'm a free speech extremist, but I'm also a big fan of reciprocity in international politics, and I doubt you can freely watch European news channel in Russia right now.


Now stop dodging every hard question, for example:

steinrokkan posted:

What did NATO do to inconvenience Russia in any way. Be specific. The whole of Europe has been effectively demilitarised over the course of this " 30 year march against Russia". Any claims otherwise are naked lies to justify crimes against humanity by actual fascists.

NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Mar 1, 2022

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Knightsoul posted:

Since I live in Europe I don't know what channels air in Russia. What about you? Are you in Moscow?

Quit the intentionally obtuse act. It's one search away:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/russia-kremlin-censors-media-and-disperses-protesters-opposed-to-ukraine-invasion/

And we're still waiting for your undoubtedly illuminating answers:

NihilCredo posted:

Now stop dodging every hard question, for example:

steinrokkan posted:

What did NATO do to inconvenience Russia in any way. Be specific. The whole of Europe has been effectively demilitarised over the course of this " 30 year march against Russia". Any claims otherwise are naked lies to justify crimes against humanity by actual fascists.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Guys, I'm not endorsing the Chinese government here, I'm just saying that if the Uyghurs had just been smart enough to speak Mandarin and renounce Allah they would be in a much better position today.

NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Mar 1, 2022

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Next time the D&D leftists call the EU an institution of liberal free market fanatic ghouls or whatever, I'll be sure to remind them how the 2022 freezing of Russian financial activities clearly put the lie to that.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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Slovenia also replaced its Orban-friendly PM with a green-liberal one.

Not as impactful as France but it was a tighter race that could easily have gone the other way.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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An insane mind posted:

Reinstate the royal line and move to Versailles?

And then once he croaks, since he has no direct heirs, we can enjoy a nice war of succession like it's 1699 :hmmyes:

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NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

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DarkCrawler posted:

As many as he wants as long as there is a
part of the electorate as morally and intellectually void as he is.

I think Berlusconi's 2022 base is mostly made up of literally senile, uneducated elders who have voted for him for close to four decades and don't feel like learning a new face or name.

His then-younger Northern base - professionals and small entrepreneurs who enjoy political centrism and a not too harsh enforcement of the tax code - has long since moved to either PD or Lega.

NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Jul 25, 2022

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