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SonicRulez posted:Wait, so is DC like...scrapping the New 52 and folding it back into the old continuity or are they throwing everything into the trash and starting over again? Seems like they're not writting out the Nu52 but they're bringing everything back to where it was before the Nu52. So maybe?
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Take a shot every time someone says "Batman is the greatest hero/DC's best hero."
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Mar 26, 2016 18:04
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Oh man the art in this is so hilariously bad. Why are the gunshots coming out of the walls and floor if they're looking toward their attacks? Why does the Red Hood mask have big pouty lips and a hilariously furrowed brow? He looks like a sexy Nu52 redesign of the Red Skull.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:39
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ImpAtom posted:"Jason is forced to murder an insane villain who he tried to redeem but failed" isn't a bad character beat. Once again Sam Vimes is proven to be the best hero there is.
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Apr 14, 2016 19:34
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What if, instead of having 6 human Green Lanterns, we throw out all them except for 2? One for Earth stuff and one for Space stuff. What I'm saying is the only GL's we need are Guy and Kyle.
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May 2, 2016 19:04
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X-O posted:
Okay. Okay. No seriously can someone explain to me why this green lantern has a gun?
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May 6, 2016 20:49
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Aphrodite posted:Backup. Against what? Half the villains on Earth don't give a poo poo about guns and 90% of whatever gleep glop aliens they're fighting have tech that completely shits on guns? Yeah shoot Mongul, I'm sure that's going to stop him.
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May 6, 2016 20:54
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Tim is confirmed as being Batman Beyond, interesting. Red Kissy mask fights off the Dreaded Purple Gimp Mask with the help of Soviet Red Sonya and Joe Fixit
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May 17, 2016 00:05
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Gaz-L posted:(Terry's whole thing is "WHAT IF SPIDER-MAN.... WAS BATMAN!?") Apparently Batman would just murder/cause horrific fates for 90% of his villains if he was Spider-Man
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May 29, 2016 09:03
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:IIRC the original plan was to use Countdown as a mean to get Jason back in the fold as Red Robin with Tim as Robin but Morrison derailed those plans by using Damian so editorial had to give Tim the RR identity and keep Jason as the Red Hood Yet another problem that could easily be solved by just ignoring Jason "No gently caress YOU Dad, I'm gonna use guns and be super tough and cool!" Todd.
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May 29, 2016 19:19
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:
 But no seriously Red Hood/Arsenal is kind of a showcase of the worst parts of Jason Todd as a character. He drags down other characters with his overwrought storylines and is the kind of douchebag that, after shooting a mentally ill woman he had spent the entire arc trying to help he suddenly loses any and all humanity and makes a stupid quip that makes zero sense given the events that just happened while his victim literally says "You shot me....awesome!" to ensure that we, the readers, know that this is a cool moment and Jason's so rad! No, never mind the hilarious tonal dissonance between the 4 pages this event unfolds on, he's so cool and he feels so bad about failing to help her, no seriously! Jason Todd is a straight up 90's anti-hero played 100% straight, with all the bad quips, 'hard edge' nature, bad boy trying to be good, Guns and Murder porn schlock that it implies. He's Grifter, but tied to the bat family so there's just enough name recognition to keep his lovely comics afloat. He's currently written as a dumb relic that kind of exemplifies a lot of what Rebirth is saying "No this is all dumb and bad, sorry we hosed up!" about.
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May 29, 2016 20:36
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Travis343 posted:your bar of entry into "Good Comics" is basically: Does the comic feature Jason Todd? If so "Good Comic" has been achieved. To be fair to Dark Titsanime it's more his entry into "Good Comics" is has a plotline that has a beginning and end. Like from previous "No Jason Todd is Cool!" post from DT his standards for character arcs is super low and as long as plotlines complete he's pretty happy regardless of writing quality or how little sense any of it makes (For example: "but the definitive standout is this current arc with Duela.")
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May 29, 2016 21:01
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:First things first, have you read the series or are just going with the pages I've posted here before? I've read it, the reasons behind the quip doesn't change the fact that it's still the absolute dumbest poo poo he could have possibly said or done if he's supposed to be a character you're supposed to at least sympathize with. And also gently caress you he didn't shoot her in the loving shoulder  Look at that blood pooling. That's not what it would look like if he grazed her shoulder. It wouldn't move UP her tits then down her torso if she was bleeding out of a scrape/through and through shoulder hit. That's a gut shot. Like everything about Jason "Mediocre" Todd the writers ran it back just a little bit to try and make him look slightly less like the murderer batman villain he's become. Which, once again, like I said, is super dissonant with the fact that he loving quipped as he put a bullet through her gut as she told the viewer "Jason Todd is so drat awesome". And before you try to argue against that by saying "well Duela's CRAZY you're not supposed to agree with her" everything on that page is meant to make Jason look like a super cool tough anti-hero man. Seriously, every explanation that's come from Jason Todd is him trying to excuse whatever awful poo poo he was doing previously but it all rings completely hollow when he's making jokes while doing the bad things and then goes on to do similar awful 90's extreme poo poo. Jason Todd loving sucks, every character he's been tied to in the nu52 comes out worse from interacting him and being guest stars in his weird time-warp WILDKATZ reboot. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 01:47 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 01:44
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For fucks sake, he's running around angry and firing guns wildly at lovely D-List villains and henchmen tier fighters while plastering a big Batman logo on his chest because NO I AM PART OF THE BAT-FAMILY!. Seriously, he's just a Batman villain now. There's 0 real reason Bruce shouldn't nor hasn't put Jason in Arkham/Behind bars. And not even a good Batman villain. He's not cool or funny, his gimmick is dumb. Calendar Man is cooler than Jason Todd. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 02:01 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 01:53
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Travis343 posted:And Jason shot a crazy person and gave her a bad-rear end 80s action movie zinger and then...promptly rushed her to the ER where she got the help she needed. This is the worst part of RHATO/RHA. If they just owned it and made Jason into the hardcore character the writers seem to want it'd be better. It's the waffling on how far he goes to try and reassure the reader he's still a good guy that really drags it down. They want him to be a dark hero that can get away with murdering bad guys but don't want him to have to deal with any of the consequences of being that bad of a person.
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May 30, 2016 02:15
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:That is why I asked if you guys had read the series. This is how issue 12 follows up that scene You can't actually be this dense, right? I know they changed it next issue and made it a shoulder hit. I said I read the run, I read your post when you said it the first time. I said exactly that when it happened it looked like a murder and in the next issue they ran it back and said "Oh no, that was just a shoulder tap." even though the art and the writing make it look like much more. My entire point was how they constantly are running things back to try and make Jason look even a little bit redeemable.
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May 30, 2016 04:51
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Since the solicits for this issue were released we knew Duela would be part of the series until it end so everything in issue 11 was just a fakeout since the start. And as I said, a constant on Lobdell's take on Jason is that he doesn't kill unless is to save his friends' life or his own. Showing a bullet enter someone's torso then next issue having it be "Oh no it just grazed her shoulder" isn't a fakeout, it's either an incompetent creative team or a script change. Either way, as someone reading the issue but not being so obsessed with one character as to find each and every little detail about upcoming issues before they're out, it reads a hell of a lot like most of the nu52 Jason stuff, constantly running things back. And I know you don't think Lobdell's guilty of it but he really is. Even the core concept of the new Red Hood is complete diametrically opposed to what he does with the character. You can spout all day about how he doesn't kill people but his main weapon is a pair of handguns that the artists and writers constantly have him firing at real mostly normal people. You don't do that unless you're trying to kill people. Of course the writers (Lobdell included) sort of realize this so there's a lot of "totally not kills" shots here and there, and while that kind of works for cartoony heroes like Vigilante since he's supposed to be the bastard child of Ben Cartwright and Lucas McCain it's completely unbelievable that Jason "The Joker Murdered me so I'm back from the dead and angry and gonna be an outlaw good guy with my Guns Akimbo" Todd isn't hitting anyone lethally.
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May 30, 2016 05:27
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Oh man the art in this is so hilariously bad. Why are the gunshots coming out of the walls and floor if they're looking toward their attacks?
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May 31, 2016 05:57
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I'm totally on board with putting at least one single black guy on the team to balance out the wonderbread factory that is the justice league. What bothers me is of all the great characters DC could have brought onto the team and said "This person is now an A lister" and try to sell that to people they picked what might be one of the worst, most boring heroes they've ever had. I don't think they did it because people knew him from that Teen Titans cartoon because he neither looks nor acts like that version of the character, so I have no idea why they went with him. You could have brought in Static, let the team have someone kind of young and goofy to balance out the old hat, serious mentor figures. Maybe Jon Stewert instead of two new rookie lanterns that are barely above Hal Jordan when it comes to having a personality. Vixen could have been neat, or maybe bring back Mr. Terrific if you just wanted to replace Martian Manhunter as the overseer/team center. Hell, you could have fixed the "Aquaman is boring" problem at the same time by leaving Arthur Curry as King of Atlantis and making the second Aqualad, the N52 Aquaman, sent out to explore the surface world or something. DC's got a bunch of really cool black characters but no, they went with Cyborg. He's just such a nothing personality. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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Jun 26, 2016 21:53
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Rhyno posted:They only went with Cyborg because Johns loves the character. If Johns had a boner for Amazing Man then he'd currently be on the team. So he loves Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, and Cyborg... That's just sad.
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Jun 26, 2016 21:58
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Toxxupation posted:That is possibly the faintest-rear end faint praise you're damning Cyborg with. I feel like almost every character in that show was the best they've been in modern media, minus Robin, who was a weird mishmash of Dick, Jason, and Tim's personalities, and maybe the Doom Patrol. Lot of C-D list villains and Titan's got to be cool in that show.
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Jun 26, 2016 22:04
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Toxxupation posted:I wonder what rewatching the series now would be like, if it still holds up a decade-plus after it aired. I rewatched it with a nephew and niece who are big fans of it now thanks to reruns and that shittier, newer show. It still holds up pretty okay, and it's kind of nice to see each season kind of revolved around one of the titans (Except startfire who's slot went to Terra for season 2). Hell, even Cyborg got season 3's main plot all to himself and the Teen Titan's east with Brother Blood and HIVE. Also Mas y Menos were super fun and I wish they transitioned back into the comics, but given how DC writes things they'd probably become monsters or worse.
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Jun 26, 2016 22:24
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:So is Jason and Tim. Nothing wrong with having some element within their designs working as a reference to their shared past as Batman's partners. Then again, I see the Robin mantle as being something more than just Batman's partners and more like a shared legacy that binds them together as brothers. That is part I didn't liked the We Are Robin concept much, it cheapened the meaning of being Robin. For me at least. The Robin position was cheapened long before any of this We Are Robin poo poo happened. Probably around the time they created a Robin and held a vote just to kill him off.
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Jun 28, 2016 18:44
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New York style pizza is a sin, Might as well just throw some mozzarella on a piece of cardboard.
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Jul 10, 2016 21:58
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WickedHate posted:Anything not setting your senses on fire is a waste of money and time. I too am a 5 year old child. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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Jul 13, 2016 19:43
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I unironically hope Jason's the one who kills Tim. Remove Tim and finally push Jason into the full villain he wants to be instead of this "Murderer but occasionally isn't a complete rear end in a top hat" Anti-hero shtick he's been stuck in.
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Jul 22, 2016 21:51
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WickedHate posted:Red Hood as an anti-hero Punisher type can work, it just needs better than Lobdell. I don't think it can though. Punisher you can at least pretend is in his own little world unless otherwise stated. His history is his own and his origin is wholly self contained. Jason Todd was Robin. He's still working in Batman's hometown at least partially. The entirety of the Bat-Family knows him personally and He's straight up murdering a lot of people. There's no reason for him to not have been hunted down by Bruce, Dick, Tim or really anyone one associated with them even to try and talk it out with him. The new 52 reboot made it make even less sense since all that history between his resurrection and Red Hood run was erased. A Punisher in Gotham style character could work, but it's gotta be someone not associated with the Bat Family. Deadshot or Deathstroke or even some rear end in a top hat like Riddler who turns against the other villains in the city, but not someone Batman has personally raised and trained. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jul 22, 2016 |
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Jul 22, 2016 22:15
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:He's not murdering a lot of people though. And taking away all the bullshit that came after Under the Red Hood was a brilliant move on DC's side. His main tool for dealing with anything in a fight is a loving Gun. gently caress off with that "Oh no he's not trying to kill anyone." We've been over this before, they have him straight up murdering people in fights then in the next issue or even the next few pages they'll try and roll it back in some attempt to save face for the character (See: Everything about him murdering Joker's Daughter.) They really want to push him as this hardcore guy who' willing to go farther than Batman/Daddy ever was but they really can't do that with someone like Jason Todd because of his history and place in the world. Jason/Red Hood's entire core conceit is built on top of Batman, more so than Tim and Dick ever were. Dick had the Titans and Nightwing, Tim had Superboy and Impusle in their Young Justice phase, etc. Jason doesn't really anything on his own. He's always been Batman's biggest failure as both a Hero and a Dad. He's one of Joker's shining achievements in his constant battle against Batman. Even in the new 52 stuff this isn't abandoned. The entire identity of The Red Hood is tied directly into Joker and Batman, and one of the biggest emotional plot lines is him helping someone else hosed up by the Joker. He doesn't work as the Gun Toting, "I don't care too much if I kill some villain" hard rear end because no one surrounding Jason Todd would/should put up with that, and they never really let him be his own thing so it's hard to ever separate him from the idea of Batman. it doesn't help that they're constantly flip flopping on how exactly "over the edge" Jason has gone/is willing to go. EDIT: "Well I mean he hasn't murdered THAT many people" isn't a great counter argument for "Why hasn't Batman even tried to catch him/stop him from murdering anyone". Not sure Batman's got a loving quota he's got to let a bad guy make before he'll start caring. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jul 22, 2016 |
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Jul 22, 2016 23:19
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WickedHate posted:These are legitimate criticisms, and why I say he needs better writing. It's annoying hearing DC say how much he's moved on from Batman when he has the drat symbol on his chest. I don't think a good writer could do it though without make Jason so different he would be an entirely new character. Everything about him is tied to Batman. If you were going to divorce him that much you might as well have that good writer make a whole new character instead.
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Jul 22, 2016 23:29
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WickedHate posted:I'm also against the symbol, and frankly, Gotham has enough superheroes as it is, so Jason probably shouldn't bother hanging around either. I feel like if you want to keep him around as name recognition he's kind of an amazingly great Batman rogue. He's angry, trained by the best (batman), and knows a lot about how Bruce operates and thinks. Him as a bad guy probably works only a few times, but he could harass the rest of the Bat-family or maybe even work for Suicide Squad. They'd finally have their own Batman then.
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Jul 22, 2016 23:33
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Also back on the Jason-As-Punisher thing, the thing about (well written) Punisher is that they never really try to sell you the idea that Frank Castle is a good guy. In fact, Frank Castle is almost exclusively a massive piece of poo poo beyond redemption. He's obsessive and wrathful and has nothing in his life outside of killing bad people. Even if he's killing bad guys or even helping less Gray heroes, he's never a good person. Jason however they're constantly talking about his struggle to mix the hardcore heroing and being a not total piece of poo poo.
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Jul 22, 2016 23:54
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Simple, he knew that Bruce wouldn't be happy about his plan to go undercover. He knew Bruce wouldn't like his plan to go undercover so to avoid having Daddy worry about him he decided instead to make it look like he was trying to murder people without telling Batman because that totally wouldn't also make Batman worry about what he's doing. This makes complete sense because I'm a mindless moron. No seriously, even if he didn't like it what was Batman going to do blow his cover mid op and get Jason killed/harmed? No, because that would be stupid, so not telling him has the exact effect as telling him with the added caveat of making Bruce think Jason's just randomly killing more people than he usually does. Hell this actually WAY WORSE for Jason's plan because this means Bruce has, at least in his perspective, 100% justified reasons to try and hunt down Jason while he's undercover. Had he told him what's up he wouldn't be undercover with the added heat of having Batman looking for him. It's just stupid.
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Jul 28, 2016 21:49
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Yes and no. Jason knew Bruce would investigate the "victims" of his attack, finding them alive. From Jason's perspective this should've been enough to allow him go ahead with his plan without Bruce's interference. As I said, their dynamic is a still a rocky one (and Lobdell himself admitted so on the interview I linked before) and Jason still has a lot of hang ups regarding Bruce to work out first. SO if you make wild assumptions that the self-admitted flawed protagonist makes AND also make the assumption that seeing them alive wouldn't make Batman want to investigate him anyway to figure out why the ruse needed to take place at all then it makes sense. It's just bad writing then.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:RHATO #2 Preview http://www.newsarama.com/30940-artemis-gets-a-new-origin-in-red-hood-the-outlaws-2.html#s8 Between The dialogue, the short sleeves and the giant gloves Jason looks more and more like a kid trying to pretend he's an adult, which I guess makes sense but I don't think that's what the writers want me to think. Also that axe is so cartoonish it wouldn't even fit in to the DCAU. And this is a minor nitpick I know but BOY when are any of the Red Hood artists going to learn what guns look like or how you're supposed to hold them?
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I agree with your point but Cyborg actually sucks really bad. Mister Mind posted:Okay, which one of you is writing cranky letters to the Sacramento Bee? By corrupting Captain America's nobility this guy means "They made Sam Wilson Captain America and black people scare me!" right?
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Semper Fudge posted:Ah okay, you're just being a pedantic gently caress even though it's extremely evident what I meant. Apologies. It's not evident what you meant when an entire page of posters thought you meant something different you defensive baby.
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