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Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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The scene in Biollante where the kids hold up their drawings is one of the best moments in any Godzilla film, some real "the power of cinema" poo poo

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Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Desumaytah posted:

Final fight introductions are some of my favorite scenes in these movies. There's just something so mythic about them when they're done well. Anyone else have any favorites? I feel like binging.

Godzilla vs Megalon, no poo poo, I love it when Jet Jaguar's getting his rear end beat and Godzilla calls out and we cut to the man himself marching across the barren waste to the rescue and that loving goofy rear end spaghetti western music swells up

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Lmao Devlin and Emmerich also claimed that the Japanese filmmakers were just too stupid to figure out stop motion animation like Willis O'Brien which is why they "had" to use a man in a suit for the original Godzilla. Racist morons.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Flint Ironstag posted:

The Official Godzilla Compendium is for sale at a minimum of $84 on Amazon? Makes me almost tempted to put my copy up for sale.

My copy's beat to hell but I'd never part with it anyways, it opened my world up to the 90s films and Godzilla fandom. Looking back now it's pretty shallow, Toho-sanctioned product and obviously not as deep or interesting as Ryfle or Kalat, for example, but I still love it.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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brocked posted:

Kramer vs Kramer vs Godzilla
The Godzilla Must Be Crazy
Godzillablanca
SlumGodzilla Millionaire

Hail King Caesar

Children of a Lesser Godzilla
And Godzilla Created Women
No Sex Please, We're From Planet X

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Nikumatic posted:

King Ghidorah and the Lost City of Gold
Baragon With the Wind
A Serious Manda
Minilla Sky

brocked posted:

If It's Tuesday This Must Be Biollante
Rodan Holiday
The Mothra Prophecies

lmao

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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I never thought this would ever see the light of day, pretty stoked. The 80s Korean kaiju SRS released with Ultraman stock footage was pretty trippy/bad/fun but this is a step beyond

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Most of the stuff SRS releases is pure garbage but it's worth it IMO for gets like this

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Arc Hammer posted:

I would love to see a MonsterVerse take on Mothra vs Battra. Zhang Ziyi can play the twins again as they watch over the Mothra eggs and then help the good Mothra caterpillar grow up to stop the evil one that Charles Dance wants to use to create a doomsday butterfly swarm.

Poor Battra didn't get much to do much his first time around. I think Mothra pretty much already has that dark side that he's supposed to embody, where she'll smash thru a city to make things right, and we have to take a hard look at ourselves to see if we're safe from her bad side. I love it when the twins threaten humans with blithe matter of factness - "oh yes, if you do not return the egg, Mothra is sure to destroy everything!"

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Karloff posted:

Bring back Seatopians and their togas.

Have John C Reilly play the Seatopian leader

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Mantis42 posted:

He's still under house shell arrest for being too friendly with children.

You take that back Gamera is a saint!

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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this is a good fuckin page

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Mr. Funny Pants posted:

You just made my day.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Return of Ultraman is a favorite of mine, a great 1st episode that goes into a cool mini-arc, they really blow out the first few episodes with monsters and city smashing. Spoilers for how Hideki Go becomes Ultraman: He's a racecar driver/daredevil who runs up like 10 flights of stairs to save a kid during a monster attack, helps the kid release all his pet pigeons from the roof before running away, and then also rescues a tied up dog before the monsters bury him in rubble. He covers the kid and dog with his body, saving them at the expense of his life, so this series' Ultraman revives him for his bravery!

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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very nice!

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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robot roll call posted:

ok well Godzilla 2000 is on the Pluto channel now and it's dubbed, looks like they use the dub if they have one? I dunno, guess we'll see when they do some Showa flicks

on that note I saw Mothra Rebirth 2 and 3 the other day and those were...movies. a lot of very poorly composited tiny women flying around, clearly more kid oriented than the typical kaiju stuff. very cool that they were airing at all though!

I saw Hedorah, Gigan, and Mechagodzilla 74 the day and they were all subbed. They all started with Criterion Janus logo at the beginning so I figure any of the films from the Criterion showa box are going to be on here subbed.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Failson posted:

Gezora is underappreciated. As is Space Amoeba in general. Low key but charming.

I should get around to watching more of the lesser Kaiju/Toku movies.

Yet to see:
Atragon
Latitude Zero
Dogoro vs. Goliath
The Last Dinosaur
The War in Space


Is the Japanese version of Varan worth watching? Because the English version really isn't.

Should probably revisit Gorath, Battle in Outer Space, and The Mysterians as well. I thought they were all really boring, but I could have just been in a bad mood.

Japanese Varan is perfectly fine with some moody atmosphere. The Last Dinosaur has hot and cold FX but a blowout performance by Richard Boone and an amazing theme song.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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love that dude

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Spacebump posted:

Outside of OG Godzilla, Shin, and -1, what are the other good Japanese Godzilla movies?

Godzilla vs Biollante is my all time fave, sort of pre-shin vibes with the bureaucratization of Godzilla plus some very anime elements like ESP and cloning. I actually find the rest of the '90s Heisei series kind of shite, honestly, vs King Ghidorah is fun but the rest 1992-1995 are pretty mediocre. It's incredible how the '90s Gamera trilogy just wipes the floor with them with like 1/3 the budgets. Spacegodzilla is impressive for being especially lovely, if you want to see how bad the series can get.

As for the classic Showa run 1954-1975, you honestly can't go wrong imo, but I really like Ghidrah '64, Astro-Monster '65, Sea Monster '66, and Terror of Mechagodzilla '75.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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hallo spacedog posted:

Agreed!

On the topic of Hedorah I think it's hard not to think about it in terms of a reaction to like the Minamata disasters and some real crazy industrial pollution issues happening at the time so it always has been a favorite

It was definitely in the zeitgeist. Gamera vs Zigra makes some bland feints in the same direction but of course there's nothing in that movie at all. Plus there's Spectremen who works as a Pollution G-Man in his day job, and the villain Dr. Gori is an environmentalist who wants to destroy humans to save the earth.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Maxwell Lord posted:

I still like Spacegodzilla fine. For its flaws it still has a unique look and feel, and it's one of the few post-Biollante films to do something with Miki Saegusa.

Honestly I think it's Godzilla vs Mothra that is the weakest of the Heisei films. It's not bad but it suffers the most from Okawara's problems with pacing, wastes a lot of time with cut-rate Indiana Jones stuff, and the environmental theme feels oddly blunted.

Good points, plus they totally waste Battra as a new character.

Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla II has the 2nd worst single fx sequence in the Heisei films imo, the whole scene of Godzilla in the countryside where it looks like he's on a minigolf course. The very worst is of course the Spacegodzilla asteroids. I will say that the long composite shot of Godzilla coming ashore at the beginning of Spacegodzilla is genuinely beautiful, with the waves washing on the beach as he approaches.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Maxwell Lord posted:

Yeah just about every Heisei film has at least one sequence where they pushed the FX team a little too hard with too little time.

I was watching them on the pluto channel the other day and I'd forgotten how there are some really nice little touches throughout. There's a really nice shot in Godzilla vs Mothra where Battra knocks a building over onto some fleeing extras, really playing with the foreground and background, and another in Mechagodzilla II when Godzilla's coming ashore and there are some burning ships behind him, showing his path of destruction which is leading to the people in the foreground. There's some other flatter composites where Godzilla is just pasted behind the skyline as people run and those shots feel so perfunctory in comparison.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Godzilla Megathread:

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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holefoods posted:

Raids Again is very bad and I frequently forget it exists.

the monster wrasslin is awesome and the methed out dub narration is a gift

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Arc Hammer posted:

Godzilla vs Megaguirus he's not really a hero either. Megaguirus is like a cosmic bug horror for most of the movie while Godzilla is just being an rear end in a top hat. Then when the two finally face off the movie ditches horror trappings and gets a lot funnier.

sadly godzilla vs megaguirus is also just not very good, probably bottom 3 for me

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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if we're counting american godzillas, my bottom three:

vs spacegodzilla
vs megaguirus
kotm 2019

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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writing a creepypasta where children cry blood watching all monsters attack

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Mantis42 posted:

ET is gross. A weird little turd on legs. I hated him as a child and I hate him now.

PriorMarcus posted:

Yeah, there's something about ETs design that I find physically repulsive.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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I love Akiko Wakabayashi as the Princess/Prophetess in Ghidrah, esp. her ragamuffin getup in the fisherman's clothes. Her deadpan dub lines as the Prophetess are incredible too ... "Because he's already arrived!" The film's a bit messy but it's still one of my favorites, just barely over Astro Monster.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:

Her whole look as an Xian certainly awakened something in me as a kid that I didn't fully understand at the time.

the Xians are some of the best movie aliens ever imo because they don't have any goofy star trek bumps or w/e, they're just really weird dudes in a techno-uniform and enough unsettling tics

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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GATOS Y VATOS posted:

I still want those tiny slit shades.

*moves fists around* You can ... never have them :smuggo:

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Arc Hammer posted:

King Kong Escapes deserves wider recognition.

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Gorosaurus kicks rear end

:hai:

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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THRILL to five full minutes of cutting thru the doohickey, on the moon!!!

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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FuzzySlippers posted:

I have a dumb question Godzilla thread. Are any of the other kaiju movies like Shin Godzilla's weird focus on meetings and bureaucracy? I don't recall anything like that in the old old movies, but I haven't seen any of them in decades. I've watched a couple of the US made ones that were nothing like it either. I did recently watch the original 50s movie which I enjoyed more than I expected, but also not really meetings porn either.

I'm not a person who normally rewatches movies that much, but for some reason I can watch Shin Godzilla over and over there must be some broken part of my brain it soothes.

the Heisei films have meetings and war rooms and bureaucracy but it's all played straight and not the main focus, except maybe in Biollante. That film is pretty interesting imo as the first film to really start showing how Japanese bureaucracy would react to a Godzilla threat. In earlier entries the military is sending tanks or superweapons or specific anti-Godzilla plans, but in Biollante you get a real feel for the huge bureaucracy at work and how the characters are just tiny actors in this sprawling system. It gets more perfunctory in the following Heisei films.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Desumaytah posted:

My friend, there is a Columbia Pictures movie from 1957 called "The Giant Claw." It's 72 minutes long. If you haven't heard of it, please go into it blind.

this is violence

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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the dubbed version of Gigantis is great for when they watch the nonsense science reel

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Gripweed posted:

Intellectually I know that every monster has fans but it's still hard emotionally for me to understand someone being really into Anguirus.

- cool honk
- spikes
- will kill himself trying to beat your rear end

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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FuzzySlippers posted:

Thats Godzilla vs. Biollante?

ya. it's not as focused on that bureaucratic exploration/satirizing as shin godzilla is, obvi, but it's an ensemble cast who all have different responses/roles to godzilla, and to the cascading effects he has on the story

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Shageletic posted:

Going back thru the thread and quoting this to find later.
Cheers! Thanks for this. Anyone happen to know the best streaming service for these flicks?

imo for biollante and the other heisei films archive dot org is gonna be your best bet

tubi has all the classic showa godzillas, free with ads and some dub/sub options
hbo max has some showa films, not sure the subbed/dubbed status
pluto tv plays godzilla films "live" and with commercials, so you might just happen to catch one you want.

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Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

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Detective No. 27 posted:

I'm so glad I got the Biolante blu-ray for $8 over a decade ago.

such a weird time when echo bridge was selling biollante in a dvd pack with like, dinocroc and some other crap

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