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That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Still legit surprised how smoothly Savage Rifts went.

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That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Evil Mastermind posted:

I love this bit:


"I'm sorry people felt my behavior was inappropriate" is an amazing non-apology, because it clearly means he still doesn't get that what he did was inappropriate.

Who needs those "real apology"-wanting suckers? He's got this stellar guy in his corner:

quote:

OMG, I read this stuff and I would think half of you are on the rag.
Anyone complaining here shouldn't be on Kickstarter.
If you've been burned once on KS you'll be burned again.
You call yourselves gamblers?
You aren't?
THEN WHY YOU ON KICKSTARTER?
But ya just keep coming back for more, dontcha?
Most of you will just sell the extras online and are in it for all the wrong reasons anyways.
I dont know the profanity policy here but alot of you are basically acting like female genitalia over a measly $28 add on hahagahaha.

EDIT: Good leaping fucks, 1300+ comments already.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Rand Brittain posted:

Palladium is a mystery to me.

Like, I'm familiar with a lot of niche products with troubled histories put out by auteur designers, which people argue about vociferously for years. I've argued about many of them. But usually those products have things like flawed but unique vision, or the creator possesses some form of special charisma, or a once-proud history upon which their castle is built, that even people who don't like them could point to as the reason for their cult popularity.

I feel like these two are it.

When it comes to "charisma", Simbieda certainly has an exuberance that can capture other's enthusiasm. It only looks a lot more like delusion or huckstery when he's surrounded by the wreckage of a decade of failure. That's the other thing, though. Before the 21st century, Palladium was a pretty successful looking company. It got weird, moderately popular licenses, and no matter how many forevers some books took to came out, it churned out a lot of products.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Atlas Hugged posted:

I wonder if having a partner betray him as badly as he got betrayed drove him over the edge when it came to paranoia and "protecting" his products. Was he always impossible to deal with or did he get worse after Palladium was robbed blind?

If some former employee stories are any indication, he's always had weird control issues.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Atlas Hugged posted:

Which might explain why no one felt bad stealing from him.

:shrug:

He's also one of those "but he's super nice in person" kind of guys. Which is no excuse, but he can clearly be a human being toward people.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


lifg posted:

What happened?

A friend/employee embezzled Palladium into insolvency before getting caught. I can't remember if he just stole money, or if he also stole some of Kevin's vast collection of toys to sell on eBay. A real winner of a human being.

Once things were initially figured out, Kevin no-fooling named the event like a comic book promotion: The Crisis of Treachery! He spent a lot of time posting about it. Fans bought products as a show of support. It was honestly kind of cool at first, to see the fans rally for the plucky, little company they loved.

Of course, Kevin can turn any goodwill around. Things may have been genuinely dire the whole time, but IMMINENT DOOM was the watchword for a long time, and it became harder for people to take seriously after literal years of posts like that. The whole thing understandably put a damper on getting books printed, and while at first Kevin seemed to acknowledge this, after a few years he began promising a return to a breakneck production schedule that kept failing to happen.

He also ran a sort of early crowdfunding campaign, to save the company by paying inflated prices to pre-order an art book called Heroes of the Megaverse where (I think, might misremember) depending on how much money you paid, you'd just get your name listed in the book, or you could dictate what one of the art pieces was. I don't know about anyone else, but my mega-Rifts fan friend put a chunk of change down for it, and in return they spelled his name wrong and omitted one of the names he paid to have in it. That was kind of the last straw for him, and now Palladium is just a nostalgia thing for him.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


inklesspen posted:

Yeah, I ran it for two years and despite a personal attack from Garethman it's really hard to see the point anymore. He's stopped giving deadlines and his career in elfgaming is ruined, because nobody can hire him as long as Far West isn't out. Best to let it and him be quietly forgotten.

That said, I have my own half-finished western&wuxia game still. I should get back to working on that.

I'm not disagreeing with anything else, but this bolded part is, beyond all reason, incorrect.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Covok posted:

How hard, seriously, can it be to just stich together some crap and put it out? Like, at this point, just bite the bullet, splooge something out, and call it done to get the noose off your neck. You'll have to eat poo poo for a little while, but that was inevitable at this point.

It can be devastatingly hard to actually get something written if you're in a particularly bad place. Most people in such a place probably stop loudly making unasked-for promises after the first couple years, though.

I'd have a lot more sympathy if the book hadn't been "printer-ready in a few days, I swear" years ago, and fewer years ago still needed serious amounts of writing and art done.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Flavivirus posted:

Before I launch, I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to look over the draft kickstarter page and let me know if there's anything that's a turn-off, doesn't make sense, or could be phrased better?

Most people probably don't care all that much, but your sound quality is pretty bad. At the very least, turn the transition noises into actual sound cues instead of "left the mic on while vacuuming and accidentally put it in the video." You don't even need to buy a sound set-up to do this better, though; find a less echo-y room to record in, or go the extra mile and put up some cheap foam or egg cartons.

I'm also not a fan of dust jackets, especially for frequent-use books like for RPGs, but it's probably too late in the planning stages for that.

Anyway, I like the look of everything else, especially the art, and I liked the first edition. I'll be backing this.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah



My crude Photoshop collage here has satisfied more customers than the crude Photoshops it mocks.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


The thing that bugs me the most on this latest naked ladies Kickstarter is that so many of them have adductive feet like a scolded child.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Mors Rattus posted:

Cavaliers of Mars launched - an Onyx Path game using an entirely new system and created and owned by Rose Bailey.

At first glance, I really like the way you build your dice pool for actions (For Honor/Love/Self + With Cunning/Force/Grace), but I dislike multi-die-type systems so that's disappointing. Still probably going after a physical book, especially since it's only $30+shipping.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Lightning Lord posted:

It's an Onyx Path game, of course they're going to use their own system. Why shouldn't they?

It uses a custom multi-die-type system, a little like a very light Cortex iteration. It's one of the creator-owned partnerships they've previously talked about branching out into. (I think it might have been the first, but it went quiet for years and Pugmire, which I think is d20 OGL, came out first.)

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


DalaranJ posted:

Wait. If Numenera 2 doesn't change any mechanics AND it doesn't change the setting, what is changing?

Supposedly they will fix the class balance that totally didn't need fixing anyway shut up. Also they're adding a craft system (in a game where the main toys are inscrutable one-offs from the past?) and some kind of actual exploration mechanics.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Nuns with Guns posted:

Also lol playtesting is locked behind a $170.00 pledge tier. Amazing.

gently caress it, if it worked for the Mystery Hand Box of which nothing was really known, I'm surprised they didn't charge more for a game people actually know poo poo about.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


It's not as predictive as other things, but "newly created account Steve from Idaho wants you to give him $5000" should definitely give one pause.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


7th Sea 2e turned out far better than I expected, so I'm less skeptical of Khitai than I otherwise would be.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


James Mendez Hodes is Good People.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


thelazyblank posted:

Kicktrak just needs to not do any projections until like 1/4th or something through the project date. That's about when things seem to normalize to avoid the spike effect of the first few days.

If someone is getting their hype on thanks to a high average-per-day after only a few days, when the graph showing the drop-off is right there, I'm not sure obscuring one bit of simple math or putting in a warning lable is going to dent that irrational exuberance.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


I hope people get legit value for their ridiculous $300 handbox.

they won't

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


ProfessorCirno posted:

It's not surprising in the slightest because old school fantasy was racist and fascist as gently caress. Fantasy has always been a deeply, deeply conservative genre, and nerds have always leaned towards mildly wealthy white libertarian dudes. If the guy doesn't realize MYFAROG is straight up fascism, it's for the same reason a fish doesn't realize it's in water.

Wellllll…he's commenting on poo poo on the Tavern and leaving reviews on Amazon, and he's wishing for wider support for HOPKIN GREEN MYFAROG, so it's kind of a stretch to me that he never once got around to going to Vikernes' website where he outright tells you that his fantasy setting is something like a transcription of the ~true history of the real world~ of the glorious, superior white race and the betrayals of all the browner peoples that he received in a vision while meditating.

Also when Googling his name to make sure I spelled it right, one of the top results led me to an article where he waffles about being called a Nazi (which he has called himself at times), because

quote:

A Scandinavian, for instance, has no good reasons to emotionally react negatively to "nazism", but I understand that a Slav has a perfectly good reason to do so. While the German "nazis" behaved exemplary in Denmark and Norway during WWII, they certainly didn't behave exemplary in Poland or the former Soviet Union.

quote:

I have also experienced that most of the people supporting me or what I stand for are so-called "nazis" - while almost everybody else has just condemned me and then boycotted me and everything I have done. What makes me different from the "nazis" are basically three things; unlike them I am not socialistic (not even on a national level), I am not materialistic and I believe in (the ancient Scandinavian!) democracy.

quote:

So, since I am not a "nazi" I began to use another term, in the late 90ies. I did it not just to avoid confusion, but also to find a term more suitable and accurate than the other terms I had used. This new term was odalism, from Norse óšal ("homeland", "allodium", "allodial law", "nobility", "noble", "inherited goods", "fatherland", "land property", "distinguished family", "distinguished", "splendid", "kin" and "the nation"). This term replaces everything positive about all the other -isms I have ever used, and in it lies Paganism, traditional nationalism, racialism and environmentalism. It is not only a more accurate but also a more inclusive term that can be used by all Europeans (and others too for that sake). Finally, and perhaps most importantly, it is not a term tainted by history.

See, he's not a Nazi because he believes all this crazy Nazi-occultist stuff but he's ~not socialist like a Nazi~ and he's one of those wishy-washy types who doesn't say "we need to kill the browns" but just "something must be done about the browns." He's totally willing to admit some Nazis have even behaved badly, sometimes.

Also, after distancing himself (somewhat) from Nazism, you reach the bottom of the page and it says:

quote:

Blóš ok Óšal!

Which means "blood and soil", because he's a loving Nazi.

I can sadly grant that some dude who somehow finds MYFAROG on a store shelf somewhere might gloss over the overt racism in it because, well, RPGs and RPG players do that all the time with plenty of other games. But anyone with enough interest to shop it around the internet and review the book? Nah. They are almost certainly knowingly supporting Nazi propaganda.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Oh, hey, maybe don't back Empyrea or whateverthefuck when it relaunches no matter what because

https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/920489843821486080

I mean, the product was going to be kind of a shitshow top to bottom anyway, but maybe don't even buy it "ironically."

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Some dude who was part of Empyrea made a blog post about how he had loved Frank, but he wouldn't be around for a relaunch or any further endeavor because of the sexual harassment. So good for him!

But a background thing for the post was that, while an author, he had no RPG writing experience, and the whole reason he was on the project was because he was friends with Frank. I feel like this is emblematic of how this Kickstarter was run, even when it comes to the Actual Big Names that were attached in some capacity.

While it might be possible for some people to just get some friends and go "hey let's make a book", that's a pretty weak pitch for getting investors or whatever the gently caress crowdfunding dollar-havers count as. And he still got $60k!

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


I'll watch them, and I try to be forgiving, but unless you spring for a really good setup and go to a lot more trouble than it's probably worth, most of what I get out of it is "this person is not a public speaker, and they should at least stop speaking directly into the mic and blowing out their sound." Sometimes it can be still be delivered well and be goofily charming. (Chris Spivey with Harlem Unbound having his kid in the video was very cute.) For the most part, though, it's not something I care about.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


My favorite pitch video was this dude who wanted financial help to spread his new ideas about math or something. It was almost an hour long and he talked about quantum bullshit and god and giants and I think the whole thing was in front of a green screen of flying shots of plains and mountains.

Still didn't back, tho.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Mors Rattus posted:

Oh poo poo, I think I saw that guy on Kickstarter Nonstarters. Didn't he do another one later trying to get money to produce his new, special idea - trinary, a machine language that was better than binary because there would be three.

I know the one(s) you're talking about, but his videos were only 15-20 minutes. He managed to mostly talk about just his thing. The guy I'm talking about is some crazy grandpa who cannot for the life of him stick to a single topic, unless you count "insane conspiracy theories about every little thing" a single topic.

I'm having a hard time finding it because what the gently caress do I even Google for.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Hey, remember Sean K. Reynolds' Quintuple-butt? Projected release of August 2015, aaaaand *checks watch* doesn't appear to even be out of first drafts!

All of this is steeped in reaction-to-D&D jargon. Only now feats have use-slots like spells, and that's why it's sooo cool that you can have magic items that reproduce feats. You don't just have a boring +1 Defense item, you have a +1 Defense spell that is an item. *mind blown, D&D heartbreaker is saved*

quote:

All of this means the list of unique (not based on a feat) magic items in the book will be short, as most of the items are pointers to the cronks/spells/stunts.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuucckkk

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


thefakenews posted:

So, all of these extremely NSFW illustrations are in the rulebook or on game components:

http://imgur.com/Ds95C81

http://imgur.com/TewkYn3

http://i.imgur.com/duDZa1a.jpg

These all look like outright or strongly implied sexual violence to me.

A sick malboro is eating the Village of Women With Some Sort of Hereditary Hip Disorder.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Henker posted:

This is the weirdest kickstarter. The whole thing is written it this odd, off-kilter style with RANDOM CAPS, like a bot wrote it or something. You don't even get the game until the $500 mark, lower tiers get you...bracelet charms? Three copies of the game are $2500 and 5 copies are $5000, making it more expensive if you buy in bulk.

I'm also pretty sure the creator really wanted the word dragon in the title for no reason.

If you follow through to his Twitter, it's mostly inoffensive, infrequent random stuff…plus a comparatively large amount stuff about how great Gal Gadot is in Wonder Woman? Of course, the Kickstarter alone indicates this guy would have fixations. I just wasn't expecting that fairly laid back but somehow still creepy one.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


I think constructing a board game superficially feels easier because crafting a few tiny houses and putting art on a piece of cardboard appears easier than writing 100+ pages of text, even though the people dumb enough to slap together a ~politically incorrect~ board game over a month (if that) and then launch a wet fart of a Kickstarter never seem to fail to find the time to write 50k words about what they're doing anyway.

Maybe it has to do with direct, textual communication. People seem to view that as very daunting. It's easier to obfuscate the complexity and difficulty of explaining yourself and your ideas behind the metaphors of art direction and component fabrication, even though they tend to be really bad at those too.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Guy Goodbody posted:

I think the Monopoly lady didn't get anything from it

quote:

Early history

Elizabeth Magie's 1904 board design
The history of Monopoly can be traced back to 1903,[1][4] when American anti-monopolist Elizabeth Magie created a game through which she hoped to be able to explain the single tax theory of Henry George. It was intended as an educational tool to illustrate the negative aspects of concentrating land in private monopolies. Magie took out a patent in 1904. Her game, The Landlord's Game, was self-published, beginning in 1906.[5]

A series of variant board games based on her concept was developed from 1906 through the 1930s that involved both the process of buying land for its development, and also the sale of any undeveloped property. Cardboard houses were added and rents were increased as they were added. Magie again patented the game in 1923.[6]

According to an advertisement placed in The Christian Science Monitor, Charles Todd of Philadelphia recalled the day in 1932 when his childhood friend, Esther Jones, and her husband Charles Darrow came to their house for dinner. After the meal, the Todds introduced Darrow to The Landlord's Game, which they then played several times together. At that point the game was entirely new to Darrow, and he asked the Todds for a written set of the rules. After that night, Darrow went on to utilize this by distributing the game himself as Monopoly – an act for which the Todds refused to speak to Darrow ever again.[7]

After Darrow had excellent sales during the Christmas season of 1934, the Parker Brothers bought the game's copyrights from Darrow.[8] After finding Darrow was not the sole inventor of the game, Parker bought the rights to Magie's patent.[9]

Mors Rattus posted:

Given the ease with which people make unlicensed knockoffs of Monopoly (the secret is that while Animal Monopoly is copyright infringement, Animal-opoly isn't), I wouldn't be especially surprised.

quote:

Also in 2003, Hasbro sued the maker of Ghetto-opoly and won. In 2005, the company sued RADGames over their Super Add-On accessory board game that fit in the center of the board.

:shrug:

Also, this is cool:

quote:

In 1941, the British Secret Intelligence Service had John Waddington Ltd., the licensed manufacturer of the game in the United Kingdom, create a special edition for World War II prisoners of war held by the Nazis.[12] Hidden inside these games were maps, compasses, real money, and other objects useful for escaping. They were distributed to prisoners by British secret service-created fake charity groups.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Mors Rattus posted:

They sure don't go after everyone that makes them. I've seen a ton of Monopoly knockoffs in gift shops.

Sure, hence :shrug:

I mean, that loving game should've entered public domain like half a century ago, at least, so whatever. Not to mention how all these corporations love to stomp all over parody and fair use.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


malkav11 posted:

I'm guessing probably most of those themed Monopolies are produced under an agreement with Hasbro. If not actually by Hasbro.

They do in fact license out to create dozens of variants, because we are a trash culture.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


NEW SYSTEMS posted:

Scenes

In Infinite Galaxies, the story is broken down into scenes, discrete chunks of the story. A run through a crumbling hallway on a derelict space station, working out what all those weird gears do on that ancient alien door, or a space combat.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhh…

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


This made me take a peek at Far West after X months and boy is it just a swirling pit of despair, now. All of the true believer posts are nearly a year old, which makes them almost as old as the last update.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Was Aeon really the most popular? It seems like Aberrant got as much or more attention, though it's difficult to tell either way.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


The beginning very strongly gives off a "we heard Ninja Division was good, but" vibe, which even without following through is kind of lovely. It's like the first draft of this was going to throw them under the bus (again) and not all of it was edited out in revision.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


mllaneza posted:

That's blindingly incompetent. Even for Palladium that's bad.

I mean yeah they're a "successful" book company, but based on just this Kickstarter's prior updates it's not surprising at all (setting aside I'm pretty sure this information was divulged earlier).

Remember the giant 10k word """update""" where he told everyone no one had arranged fulfillment until the manufacturer asked where to send their first shipment?

That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Feb 28, 2018

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


I like the most recent comment that's a weird essay that, among other things, wonders why everything's being made in China when it's all the way across the ocean how can that possibly be cost-effective!?!?!

EDIT:

quote:

Also, why is any of this money going to Amazon?

:laffo:

That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Feb 28, 2018

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That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


So I hear some people are using PayPal to invoice refunds from Palladium. Given the nature of online commerce I'd be surprised if anything actually comes of it, but I'd be interested if anyone knowledgeable about such things has some insight. I assume Kevin will probably either ignore all such requests or, worse, vigorously contest them through whatever methods PayPal affords.

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