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Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

One of the books in the Department of Temporal Investigations series ends with the capture and "unmasking" Future Guy, and it's unintentionally hilarious because it ends up being just some random guy from the 28th century, because really who else is it going to be? The future time police characters are all like "Gasp, it was him this whole time?!", but obviously it can't be any character we as Star Trek fans would recognize because he has to be from centuries past the latest continuity we've seen. So the whole thing just falls really flat, and I can't imagine the show would have been able to pull it off any better if they'd gotten the chance because they'd be under the same limitation.

Having Future Guy be a Krenim is acutally better, since at least it has a tenuous hook into existing continuity.

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Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

MikeJF posted:

You mean 'hallway with a mirror in it'?
Um, that's clearly a hallway with two mirrors in it, facing each other.

Mental Hospitality posted:

Enterprise3d guy has been pretty silent for a while, I think he was getting poo poo from CBS but I've read he's still working on his project. Stage9 guy said on Reddit (I believe) that he reached out to E3D guy but got no response.
Yeah he got cease and desisted. Hopefully he's still working on it in private and it'll get "stolen" and leaked when it's done.

Edit: Found it, Star Trek Busywork Simulator design inspiration

Knormal fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Nov 23, 2016

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Pwnstar posted:

I think at one point Q offered to take them home instantly if she slept with him and she refused? I said Janeway was a psychotic, power hungry, glory hound.
I think it was less "sleep with him" and more "sire his offspring", but still, needs of the many and all that.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

I think it would be interesting to see some sort of alternate reality NextGen where someone makes this idea actually work. I mean, the Ferengi as described here would make a pretty good anti-Federation who didn't really want to conquer the galaxy but were just ideologically opposite. If they'd lost the electro-whips and lecherous bouncy troll attributes, and re-interpreted them as more behind-the-scenes manipulators who didn't face the Federation head-on but bribed their way through interstellar politics and proxy wars, arms deals, and the like, it would have been really unique. But probably too slow for 90's TV, you'd really need arcs to make that work.

GutBomb posted:

What are you talking about? He was great in this, just last year:
http://imdb.com/rg/an_share/title/title/tt3973814/
drat, that character list.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L54GYRcxSM

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Baronjutter posted:

The chinese captain having a chinese ship is just too much for me. I was looking forward to this, had a tiny bit of hope, but that one thing is just too stupid and all hope and interest has been lost.
Didn't the earlier releases say she was captaining a non-Starfleet civilian ship that just gets caught up in the plot somehow? In that scenario it makes more sense a Chinese character would give her ship a Chinese name. Them now saying she's a Starfleet captain might just one of those cases of the press release people missing the memo.

And also, really dude, that's your threshold?

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

but these are the same writers that made the later seasons of Heroes, Voyager pocket books, and Eight Legged Freaks.
The Voyager books are better than Voyager the show.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

TheBigAristotle posted:

I'm at the point in the The Next 25 Years where they're talking about First Contact, never knew they discussed, for weeks, the Borg travelling to Medieval Times
I'd like it if they were talking about the restaurant.

Rhyno posted:

Watching the Enterprise finale, the way they structured this as a TNG episode really is insulting to the entire show. I can see why Blalock was so pissed off at the time.
Hell, I watched that live as the first time I'd watched Enterprise since the first season, and it pissed me off. I didn't like Enterprise, but man what a slap in the face for everyone involved in it.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

NowonSA posted:

I've also been poking around Memory Alpha here and there, and learned that the general synopsis of fairly recent Star Trek books sound pretty rad. It has Ro Laren and Ezri Dax in major captain roles, a big fat Borg invasion, and an alliance of basically every Trek bad-guy faction teaming up against Starfleet after the Borg attack. I mean it sounds like fanservice of the best kind. I greatly enjoyed the Star Wars EU/Legends books (perhaps partly because I never went completely down the EU rabbit hole where absolutely insane stuff happened), now I'm thinking I need to at least give a few Star Trek books set in the post Next Generation/DS9 time period a chance to grab my interest.
The Destiny trilogy is probably the best starting point, it pretty much set the stage for the modern Trek novel universe. There's earlier books that deal with Riker moving over to Titan and the Enterprise's new crewmembers, but I don't think there's anything major you won't be able to catch up on. I'll warn you though, the books' quality varies a lot.

Lordshmee posted:

How exactly does twice-treasonous, noted Maquis terrorist, former ensign Ro Laren wind up with a third-chance captaincy?
After the Maquis got all blowed up she ended up in the Bajoran Militia, and eventually ended up with Odo's old job on DS9. Once Bajor joined the Federation and the Bajoran Militia got absorbed into Starfleet Picard gave her a pep talk and pulled some strings to get her to hang around. Then she just moved up the ranks from there, probably unrealistically fast but that's pretty par for the course for Star Trek.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Lowen SoDium posted:

Kira was always devout with her religious beliefs but having her leave her military career and eventually become Kai is so out of character for her it's ridiculous.
I know that everyone's already voiced their opinion on this and moved on, but for the record Kira isn't the Kai in the books, just a Vedek. Apparently she's the Kai in Star Trek Online, but I think we all know what their storytelling's like by now. And I also don't think it's really in character for her to be a Vedek, maybe later in her life I could see it but I don't think she'd resign her commission while she's still basically in the middle of her career.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Maybe this is me being too cynical, but I feel like the DS9 writers never intended for him to come back even after Brooks voiced his concerns.
They didn't, Avery Brooks had them add the "but I'll be back" line over the previously mentioned concerns about being an absentee black father.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Rhyno posted:

I think I screwed up somewhere


Oh, it's a self-sealing stem bolt!

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

I'm not sure why Star Trek is on BBC America constantly now, but I was watching The Ultimate Computer and I didn't remember that in this instance of Kirk talking a computer to death he convinces the M5 to turn itself off because "the punishment for murder is death". drat, not even modern America sentences all murders to death. Also murder is wrong because "it's against man and God". Some pretty non-Star Trek ideas in this episode.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

skasion posted:

TOS was written in the 60s in an American and more or less Christian mindset. Up until the 1960s the death penalty was heavily used in the USA, rather more so than today in fact. In the 60s the vast majority (as in 90% or more) of Americans were some flavor of Christian. TOS reflecting these things isn't evidence of "non-Star Trek ideas", it's a reminder of the kind of place Star Trek's ideas originally come from.
Oh I totally get that, it's just one of those parts that caught me off guard. I always remember the "son of God" stuff from the Roman episode and cringe when it's coming up, I guess I just hadn't seen this episode as much. Hell I looked it up and The Ultimate Computer was written by D.C. Fontana, can't get much more classic Star Trek than that. It's just one of those parts of the show that's aged badly.

The next episode up was the Yangs vs. Kohms one, which also included this awesome religious imagery that I'd similarly forgotten about.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Nessus posted:

In Federation holodecks I imagine your surplus sex juices are broken down the same way that you apparently get rid of dishes and table scraps by putting them back in the replicator. Seems like it'd be pretty easy for the forcefield and illusion room to have a self-cleaning mode.
But you know with how the Federation handles automation that they have self-aware Emergency Janitorial Hologram who is only activated to clean up messes then plunged back into the ether.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Fister Roboto posted:

OK Admiral Locke, I'm with you for the most part, but what the hell is the point of a cloaking device that lets a ship pass through normal matter? What possible advantage could that give anyone?
I could see it as that wasn't a goal of the cloak, just a side effect of the kind of cloak used. Like rather than cloaking by bending light around the ship or whatever the Romulans do, just shift the whole ship a little into the next universe. Yeah it can pass through matter, but whatever, it's also blind to all sensors in the main universe.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

And there's no reason they'd actually need to show a shuttle taking off all that often, how often did we actually see the away team beam down? If anything they usually just started with them materializing on the surface, which is just as easily achieved by dragging the shuttle prop onto the set and having everyone walk out of it. In fact that'd be one less effect shot they'd have to do.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Tighclops posted:

I miss the old Lego space subthemes that gave you just enough information for your child brain to fill in all the blanks, I know those basically stopped selling well toward the end of the 90's and so that's why it's been a parade of licensed poo poo ever since

And no I don't mean bring back Space Police for 4th time goddamnit
Have you looked at Nexo Knights? It's basically a Space theme with Castle elements. Just ignore all the game tie-in stuff and bathe in all the trans neon orange.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

The_Doctor posted:

I've always wanted a sort of lego Star Trek ships kitbash set. A collection of saucers and nacelles and rollbars and whatnot so you can make new ships.
Boy do I have the video "game" for you!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Starship_Creator
It's worth at least 20 minutes of entertainment.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

twistedmentat posted:

Wasn't Andromeda supposed to be based on the post Federation galaxy? I'd love to see a what would basically be a post apocalyptic Trek show, though Dylan Hunt sounds like a porn star.
The unofficial story I heard somewhere back around 2000 was Robert Hewitt Wolfe pitched the basic Andromeda plot as a Star Trek series after DS9 ended, with a Federation ship getting flung far in the future somehow and finding everything all hosed up, but Berman and Braga turned it down as too pessimistic and un-Star Trek. The quote I remember being tied to it was him getting told "No Robert, you can't destroy the Federation", but Googling that didn't turn anything up so I can't cite anything. I think the idea was the Federation would actually lose the Dominion War, and that's what would kick off the descent. But since it got turned down he just developed the Andromeda universe as a surrogate.

While I like the idea of Andromeda as a Star Trek show, watching seven years of DS9 culminate in the Federation being conquered would have been a pretty unsatisfying ending, and the premise of a lone Federation ship on there on its own would have probably been too similar to Voyager to air at the same time. Especially considering how confused casual viewers would have been by the time difference between the shows. I think the idea would have worked best if you left when and what exactly caused the Federation to fall as a mystery, at least at the start of the show.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Croatoan posted:

My only question? How did that deep space station have a camera floating right where the Klingon ships were when V'ger zapped 'em?
I always assume every ship we see on the viewscreen is the ship just taking sensor data and live-rendering a CGI model of the ship. That makes more sense to me than the ship having a bunch of video cameras with super-good zoom lenses pointing outward.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Cojawfee posted:

Holy poo poo.

http://www.startrek.com/article/star-trek-the-cruise-day-two-recap

Yoga with Terry Farrell. loving JOE PISCOPO. Wine tasting with Casey Biggs. Picardo singing Gene's lyrics to the theme song.

quote:

Mid-afternoon, over in the Stardust Theater, John de Lancie attracted a standing-room-only crowd for his much-anticipated one-man show, called… One Man Show. Marina Sirtis introduced her old friend, de Lancie, warning that material would be quite "blue." And it was, particularly his reading of epic Billy Markham poems. De Lancie exited the stage to a standing ovation.
Hmmm...

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Hey hey hey, they've got the Cherry Poppin' Daddies instead. This cruise is the entirety of 1998 at sea.

Alternate joke; The Cherry Poppin' Daddies performing on a cruise full of virgins.
I didn't get this part. Do the Cherry Poppin' Daddies have any connection to Star Trek that I'm forgetting, beyond having peaked in the 90's?

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

TheBigAristotle posted:

Hardly an original thought, but the Khan reveal was so meaningless. Nobody knew who he was! So this notion that he's actually Khan meant nothing to anyone except the audience, who have mostly just heard of him somewhere.
Which didn't make any sense because in the original series Khan was still common knowledge, and everyone knew who he was at first sight even centuries later. Like a Napoleon or, well, Genghis Khan. Apparently in the NuTrek universe everyone is much less well educated, since no one remembered this world-conquering dictator even after hearing his name.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

MikeJF posted:

Well, a massive false flag operation (the planned destruction of the Enterprise by the Klingons as a pretext for war) is at the centre of the plot, for one.
Not to mention the destruction of the UFP archives building or whatever that was at the beginning was caused (albeit indirectly) by the government, which led to the whole Enterprise setup. It's not a straight rip-off, but it's one of those things where once you know a Truther was behind it a lot of pieces suddenly click.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Blast Fantasto posted:

I was thinking of the wrong episode/scene. It's the one where he's freaking out because of the brain implant that it's blue



anyway, there's some blue kanar :spergin:
Is that the liquid in the bottle or is that just a blue bottle? It kind of looks like there's something around the outside of the bottle, like a kanar coozy.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

It wasn't consistent. There's a cook that calls up to the bridge in Charlie X, but by the time David Gerrold was working on The Trouble With Tribbles he was told by Gene Coon that there was no cook on the ship.
Due to a quirk in Starfleet organization the chef wore a red uniform, so by the time they got a few months into their five-year mission, well...

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

I give that episode some leeway because it's a "light" episode (see above), and I figure they didn't really take over the ship, more like they held it hostage. Sure at any point the crew could have stormed the bridge and taken control back, but they would have taken some bridge crew casualties, better to just take it slow and de-escalate the situation. It's just some Ferengi after all. And besides, we know from experience there's nothing more dangerous to the Ent-D than an old surplus Bird of Prey.

It does make me wonder though, what happens if Picard or Riker lock out the command codes then get killed. Does the Enterprise become destine to just float around space forever because no one can even send a message to get an Admiral to fly out and override it?

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

I remember maneuvering around the correctly-scaled Voyager bridge in Elite Force felt really cramped, because video games tend to treat the player model as just a big tall cube it was really easy to get hung up on the edge of consoles and what-not. I'd imagine the issue would be even worse in a janky third-person engine, where it would be obvious when the player cube ran into something that no model polygon was actually touching. The Defiant maps in the third-person The Fallen released around the same as Elite Force were also really scaled up, presumably for the same reason. Check out Worf's IMAX console.

Also I notice some of Dax's assets got scaled up as well...

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Duckbag posted:

I'm still hoping the one weird alien on the crew is a wacky mushroom man because that would be awesome and also we'd get a scene where the space mycologist has to treat him instead of the doctor.
They're going to wind up on this planet and he'll be the one to save the day.

He's the glowy guy trying to explain to the redshirt mushrooms have no culture of "hugs".

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Moddington posted:

I like how they have absolutely everyone on board except Brooks.
I think it's pretty hilarious they got Molly O'Brien. Why not, I guess? She's got nothing on IMDB between DS9 and 2017, and all her major new entries are ex-Trek actor projects, so I guess she's getting back in the game. Or maybe she just got back from being trapped on that jungle planet, I think the timing's about right. Good for her.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

skasion posted:

M'Benga owns, if only for that scene where he slaps the poo poo out of Spock.

Given how often Spock gets his rear end kicked they should probably have put M'Benga in more episodes.
M'Benga is the main doctor in the Vangard novel series. I appreciate that in TOS they actually had African characters from Africa, even if you'd never really know it culturally. Modern Trek all the diversity is filtered via America or Western Europe. I think Hoshi was supposed to actually be from Japan itself, but off the top of my head every other non-white human character was a whatever-American or British, which is pretty lame. That's one thing Discovery at least seems to be fixing, but they're hopefully not going too out there on the China ship and making it all-China all the time.

MikeJF posted:

The guy who posted it:



So everyone just... chill.

Also he's been fired because he's an NDA-breaking idiot.
I'm not sure I believe that this guy's not just trying to cover his rear end after the fact, other than the tall heads those aliens look a lot like the JJ-verse Klingons. I hope I'm wrong. Now if they are some long-lost ancient sect then I don't mind it, since clearly we've seen Klingons have a lot of variety in ridge type. As long as "modern" Klingons look like we'd expect them to, then I won't have to be a huge sperg over it.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Nessus posted:

I thought Geordi was explicitly from Mogadishu, Somalia, it just never came up, not even to the extent it did with Uhura. Was Daystrom given a specific nationality? If not, the Sisko was I think the first explicitly "African American" Trek character.
You're right, I guess he was. For some reason I thought Geordi was explicitly American too. I stand corrected.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Data Graham posted:

God, I hope all the credits are in that horrible font.

CNMWN MCWMWNNMNWFM *cuts away instantly*
Welshie!!!!!

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Nessus posted:

It's a shame the people involved with Enterprise never got the idea to start spinning a yarn about studio interference. If they had, I half-expect Enterprise would be the fan favorite by now.
"Captain we're getting another message from UESPA command - they say we need to go shoot our weapons in an asteroid belt for a while, and that we need to make T'Pol's jumpsuit another size smaller."

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Duckbag posted:

I'm still pissed that they did the thing where they cut from celestial bodies orbiting each other to electrons orbiting nuclei because that plays into hack new age stoner "woah everything is like cosmic viberations, man" synchornicity/music of the spheres bullshit. Electrons don't really "orbit" as such, and the effect has nothing to do with gravity. Equating the two is just bad science. That kind of sloppy style over substance approach can be seen throughout the series and I think really holds it back.
Hey man, one moon circles.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Beachcomber posted:

Do you think if I emailed Paramount they'd be able to direct me to one of those Alaskan Rivers? They sound nice, but I've never seen anything like them here.
I'm more curious about how Sherwood Forrest is somehow in Joshua Tree, where there isn't a real tree for hundreds of miles.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

Those old movie TOS uniforms are my favorite, why would the federation ever change away from something so snappy looking :mad:
Well they used them for like 80 years or something, from ST II to like five years before TNG. Everyone probably got sick of wearing the same uniform their grandpa did.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

The_Doctor posted:

So apparently the Terok Nor DS9 was destroyed in the novels? And there's a new Federation-built station in its place. drat, it's hideous.


This ended up being the perfect example of why you need producers, directors, etc. to reign in the creatives. That this was designed by Doug Drexler and Andrew Probert, who together are responsible for tons of the most iconic Trek designs. Granted they were kind of boxed-in by the descriptions of the new station from the novel it premeired in, but still that design needed some people sending them back to tweaking. Obviously none of the novel people are going to tell Drexler or Probert to try again, given their pedigree.

I think it would look a lot better without the useless vertical rings, with just that horizontal ring it would look more like an evolution of the mushroom-type starbase. Still not great, but better.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

The_Doctor posted:

There are 7 seasons?


MikeJF posted:

And it still leaves ambiguity an space, as the ship could be upside-down and backwards.
That's why you have to leave your bridge poking out the top :downs:

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Astroman posted:

I think he just basically assumed "next year" he'd have another big windfall of a tv show and that would solve his woes.
Also a reminder that this was his "big windfall" TV show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO0JBFlof90

I knew Jewel Staite was in that, I didn't realize the black Power Ranger was.

Edit: That's weird, for me at least that video doesn't have audio when embedded, but it does if you watch it on Youtube.

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Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Baronjutter posted:

Wow that's bad because the borg queen is bad and also borg don't know about humans until Q.
The Borg were already on their way toward the Federation when Q flung the Enterprise into their path to give Picard a heads-up.

Cojawfee posted:

Her parents followed a Borg cube through the inverse subspace verteron tube network array or whatever to study them and then got assimilated. Like following some bears into the woods and then the bears assimilate you into their stomach.
Yep, I think the way it was presented was that her parents were headed out to investigate the rumors of the space boogeymen that the Federation wasn't taking seriously. Which again brings up the question of why no one bothered to ask Guinan or the other El Aurians just what they were refugees from.

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