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HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/760141319499112448

:mrwhite:

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HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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:ducksiren: lmao no way :ducksiren:

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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How do you gently caress up so badly that you put Utah in play? If I were in the RNC, I would be groveling at Romney's feet right now to not try anything funny.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Nessus posted:

Doesn't NC have like 4x the electoral votes of Utah? I mean Utah, Nevada, they may be interesting and meaningful but they're giant slabs of desert we use for testing nuclear weapons.

NC is more important on an electoral level but Utah is a hardcore GOP stronghold that the Republicans are never supposed to lose, ever. Losing Utah is one of the only things I can think of that would shock the GOP into changing course instead of doubling down every election cycle.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Trump getting 40% of the vote is irrelevant because this is America and not Europe, and 40% of the vote wins you nothing here.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Edmund Lava posted:

Elements of both yes, but let's not pretend they're in equal measure. Race devide has been a part of our country since its founding. The 3/5 compromise didn't come from global trade but the view that black people were lesser. We didn't fight the bloodiest conflict (up until that point) in human history over tariffs, as some claim, but the recognition of black people as people and not property.

This isn't some sudden revaluation of the downfalls of neo-liberalism, this is the end result of 240 years of American racism.

I really hate this new trend of smug white brogressives saying "well actually the rise of Trump is because the people are tired of neoliberal policies, the elites are trying to distract you with identity politics :smug:"

Racism has existed in good financial times as well as bad, and it's not some coincidence that racist far-right movements are gaining popularity as white political dominance is waning. And then progressives wonder why minorities don't vote for the progressive candidates that consider their issues a "distraction".

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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waitwhatno posted:

So what's the worst case scenario for a Trump presidency?

He hands off all important duties to friends/highest buyers, things stay more or less the same, but the executive branch becomes totally paralyzed? I hope there are enough checks and balances to keep them from loving up too badly in case of a real crisis like an asteroid heading towards earth, China collapsing or sharks learning how to use laser weapons. US ICBM launch orders have to be verified by someone else before they go through, right?

A Trump presidency would have a Republican House, Republican Senate (most likely without filibusters), Republican White House, and full control of SCOTUS picks for a full generation. So no, there would not be checks and balances.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Jarmak posted:

Is there any chance that if we see a ridiculous landslide victory and the GOP keeps the house that it could be the proof of disenfranchisement needed to get the SC to move on gerrymandering?

The SC doesn't believe racism exists anymore, so no

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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wh... what. what even is this election

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Clinton +3 in Arizona

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/760568942536585218?s=09

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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There are over 90 days left in this election :unsmigghh:

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Does anyone know if the new guy is an establishment dude or just a varying shade of Tea Party crazy?

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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It's so nice of the Republicans to self-destruct two weeks after they could have prevented all this.

I'm kind of impressed with how sudden and immediate Trump's collapse has been. It's like one of those GOP primary campaigns where the candidate has a honeymoon period only to abruptly flame out and get replaced, only the flame-out happened two weeks after the RNC and no one is coming to replace him.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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can we stop pretending that Pennsylvania is a swing state now

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Hillary might be up in all the recent polls, but what about a poll from an unbiased pollster?

https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/761375580910563328

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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This music chat reminds me of Jon Huntsman and his dorky 70's prog rock band

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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https://twitter.com/kthorjensen/status/761607416936927232?s=09

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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I think it all depends on how far Trump collapses in the near future. GOP candidates rebuking him and the media giving up on the horse race this early is a big red flag that he's nearing the point of no return. A decent politician could turn things around from here, but Trump's reaction to pressure is to flip out and make things worse for himself, so I could see his death spiral get worse.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/762299567354314752

Clinton +12 in Virginia :stare:

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Riosan posted:

Seriously? Have I been stuck in a Freep fever dream for the last year and a half?


I don't understand the opposition to wind energy at all. Windmills don't literally destroy the wind and kill all our birds, I'm at a complete loss.

:qq: We can see them from the beach and they're going to devalue our summer estates :qq:

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Politics in SC are so rigidly tied to race that I can't see it changing anytime soon.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Raenir Salazar posted:

What *is* potentially causing SC to flip if it doesn't have the population trends like GA and NC do?

There's no polling in SC so it's all guesswork, but the conventional wisdom is that it's only slightly more red than GA, so any election in which GA is in play would make SC in play too.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Clinton +2 in NC

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/763010051145658368?s=09

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Harrow posted:

So I haven't paid that much attention to cable news coverage of the election recently. What's the media reaction been to Trump's new "on-message" style, like his Detroit speech? Is it the big turning point for Trump, or are people finally remembering that he's Donald Trump?

From what I can tell, bad news for Trump keeps coming in so fast that no one really gives a poo poo about the speech.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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zoux posted:

CNN's headline this morning was "Kindler, Gentler Trump?" but now it's a speech fact check.

The media is eager to run with whatever narrative the campaigns try and feed them that will make it look competitive. If Trump is -20 in mid-September and skipping debates, that's a worst-case scenario for cable news.

I don't know, it feels like the media's turned on Trump since the conventions. I think everyone's tired of Trump and they'd rather cover a historic blowout rather than pretend this race will be close when it's clearly not.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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BonoMan posted:

Headline News (yeah yeah yeah I have it on in the mornings to watch stupid videos while I get ready for work) said that Trump's Economics speech "silenced some critics." Goddamn.

Stunned silence is still silence!

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Man, Trump must be really screwed if even Quinnipiac and USC/Daybreak aren't showing him ahead anymore.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/763088432382042112?s=09

:ironicat:

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Speaking of the 50 state strategy

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/763140472537812992?s=09

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Phone posted:

I can't wait for the 2050 Season of the S. Florida Show.

At the rate sea levels are rising, South Florida will probably be canceled by then.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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zoux posted:

As our resident UT expert, what's your overall impression of the letter?

Someone made a list of specific Mormon references in that op-ed: http://juvenileinstructor.org/it-ta...ret-news-op-ed/

Whoever wrote it really did their homework.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Surprise twist: the climber isn't a protester, he's a crazy alt-right Trump supporter who wanted a personal meeting with the Donald.

https://twitter.com/apadillafilm6/status/763500967799169028?s=09

Probably not the best thing to do a day after everyone freaked out about Trump supporters getting inspired to do dangerous things.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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I like Killer Mike, but gently caress Killer Mike.

https://twitter.com/pitchfork/status/764116711838720000?s=09

Also lol @ anyone who still believes that Trump is some sort of reaction to neoliberalism

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Deified Data posted:

I remember a certain group of Bros who got in hot water for telling black people how to vote

I'm black but thanks for the patronizing reply!

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Fun fact about that Mississippi River map that keeps getting posted: the river changes course so much that it shouldn't even be flowing through New Orleans anymore. The Atchafalaya River is naturally becoming the river's main outlet to the sea, and the only reason why New Orleans isn't situated on a dying bayou is because the Army Corps of Engineers have forced the Mississippi to keep running through there.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Boon posted:

It's mostly past, but he was talking to the black community as if he was addressing a crowd of suburban white people (which he is) and discussing how the Democrats expect their vote for no return on policy (which is an actual sentiment that I've heard espoused).

Trump is not trying to convince black people to vote for him, he's trying to convince white people that he (and by extension, they) are not racist.

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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SirFozzie posted:

Manafort out, folks from Breitbart running Trump's campaign?

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/765785755859972096

(I so wanted to put "Manafort is kill?, go to Breitbart?" but that's chan-y)

Trump should just cut out the middleman and get his campaign decisions directly from /pol/

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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The election is over and it's only mid-August :unsmigghh:

Even Trump seems to be giving up, considering he axed the guy that was supposed to make him presentable to a general electorate and is trying to push a "the election is rigged and that's why I won't win" narrative. I wonder at what point does the GOP start actively running against him to save their own asses in Congress.

HorseRenoir fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Aug 17, 2016

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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Hey, at least there's one state where Trump's rhetoric is working!

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/765908555274805248?s=09

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HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



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https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/765956724926869505

Evan Bayh looks comfortably ahead in Indiana. That means that all the Dems need to do is flip PA or NH and the Senate is theirs.

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