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Kilroy posted:Um, again what are you going on about? I'm not getting it. You posted this: Atheism requires faith since it has a premise that is impossible to support by evidence. Atheism isn't backed by science, it isn't backed by empiricism and can never be. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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Kilroy posted:Okay, so does the belief that the universe did not pop into existence suddenly and for no reason five seconds also require this "faith", and if so can you elaborate on what faith actually is? Yes. Empiricism requires faith to work as well too as you can't use empiricism to prove empiricism.
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Sep 1, 2016 09:04
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blowfish posted:actually you're wrong A stunning rebuttal! But which part is wrong, that the non-existence of God isn't provable? Or do you honestly believe that atheism is scientific or backed by empirical evidence?
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Sep 1, 2016 09:07
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Andrast posted:So literally everything requires faith in your mind? I don't believe in platonic truths. Science exists within a realm where we've placed our faith in empiricism and works quite well. blowfish posted:
Lol if you think you have empirical proof about God one way or another.
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Sep 1, 2016 09:08
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Radish posted:Remember police unions aren't a problem. This but unironically.
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Sep 1, 2016 20:18
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Radish posted:lol Hint: if police unions were the problem the all across the anti-union south we would have better policing than in pro-union blue states.
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Sep 1, 2016 20:49
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Dr Cheeto posted:Police unions are virtually immune to the generalized right-wing hatred for unions, they're still very much A Thing here. Just because they exist doesn't mean they have power. A union that can't strike or do collective barginning isn't a real Union. The problem is that police unions are filled with police.
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Sep 1, 2016 21:13
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Keillor is actually a decent poet, not like poet laureate material but still pretty good
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Sep 1, 2016 21:26
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fits my needs posted:I already have to listen to a boring old white man talk about boring old white poo poo when I'm at work. Why would I want more of this on the weekends? Sorry you can't enjoy Americana because your job sucks
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Sep 1, 2016 22:42
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:PHC is bad. Now sure.  But seriously, PHC played a critical role in both the radio show revival and bringing folk music to new generations while also managing to promote an alright set of values. Far better than we can say for most shows.
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Sep 1, 2016 22:48
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Solvency posted:Wait Wait Don't Tell Me and This American Life are the only weekend NPR programming worth listening to. This American Life's refusal to admit when they're wrong and spouting bullshit isn't exactly a good look for them fits my needs posted:Yeah that stuff is unfunny at best and painfully uncomfortable at worst. They used canned laughter on that show right? Or do people think lame puns and a high screechy voice/funny sounding voices are the height of comedy? Recorded live in front of a studio audience in Chicago.
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Sep 1, 2016 23:05
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SoSimpleABeginning posted:Are there high profile examples other than their Apple factory one? (Which they ultimately followed up on an apologized for, iirc). They've had a number of other pieces they've had to retract because it was completely made up. But for me it was when they pushed some complete BS economic theories from the right (like that people getting social security are moochers) without any competing voices then basically defended it by saying "we don't have to and even if something was wrong we stand by our stories" http://www.cjr.org/united_states_project/disability_social_security_and.php
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Sep 1, 2016 23:59
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Donkwich posted:Is there a radio show or podcast in the US that is similar to Wait Wait Don't Tell Me but actually funny and satirical? I know the UK has The News Quiz, which is consistently very good and is often sharp in their political commentary. WWDTM is just too boring and milquetoast for me. I enjoy Ask Me Another! However it requires tolerance for puns and anagrams
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Sep 2, 2016 01:31
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Shillary posted:Maybe, he said that Mexico is a "bullying culture" and that they will always take over anywhere they go; that's why "Spain never conquered Mexico". It's like he was getting a presentation on Hispanic outreach and the first slide said "not all Hispanics are Mexicans" and then ran with that as a wedge issue
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Sep 2, 2016 01:41
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Should Anthony Weiner sue the NY Post into oblivion for publishing sexually explicit photos of him without his permission?
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Sep 2, 2016 02:43
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At best the NY Post published revenge porn that includes in it a child, at worst the paper, editor and reporter should all be bankrupted
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Sep 2, 2016 04:05
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awesmoe posted:It is good for your next president to be in the habit of answering directly to the press, no matter how lovely the press is And the press punishing her every single time she does isn't helping. We only know about the Clinton Foundation donors because of extra transparency not required by law. So how does that get used? Well, the AP used it to imply Elie Wiesel got a corrupt meeting with Clinton while she was Secretary of State.
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Sep 2, 2016 05:28
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On Terra Firma posted:This doesn't matter. Them whining about not getting enough access is kind of silly, but bitching about what they do or don't do with it is dumb. It's part of the system and anyone complaining about it sounds like a baby. Its not a complaint. It's a comment that if the press wants even more info maybe they shouldn't act so poorly with what they have.
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Sep 2, 2016 05:59
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I think it was a Washington Post article that mentioned Trump speculating that he would have his daughter act as his opponent. So does that mean Trump wants to gently caress Hillary Clinton too?
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Sep 2, 2016 20:20
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zoux posted:If you think the NYT is a good source on this story, see if you can find the lie here Lol he has since admitted he hosed up, but didn't actually remove the tweet or make t obvious this tweet is wrong.
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Sep 2, 2016 20:29
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afeelgoodpoop posted:re: anyone complaining about long sentences to drug dealers. The reason you give them such crazy long sentences if you can confirm they're an actual dealer is so someone can't just deal drugs for half a year and net half a mil, launder the money, then only spend half a year in jail to collect it legally. That's not true in any sense. Like pretty much all parts of it are wrong. This is Trump level logic. I'd suggest reading about both the history of drug laws and also civil asset forfeiture.
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Sep 2, 2016 20:41
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:lol 17 thousand emails forwarded by someone not clinton to someone else not clinton This is the part that frustrates me the most. Any "emails" related to Clinton are "Clinton Emails" now. Except emails are loving a core document these days and emails never sent or received by her get counted as her emails now. Will the press continue this in a potential Clinton administration? Will every single FOIA for emails from the federal government be framed as "the Clinton email scandals expand to the EPA as Clinton administration officials have refused to release all emails pertaining to the environment to the RNC"
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Sep 2, 2016 20:50
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Boon posted:I got Chipotle today. Chipotle is a pretty good metaphor for the Left's critisism of Clinton actually.
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Sep 2, 2016 21:28
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theflyingorc posted:Meanwhile, Trump still deliberately lied about why he can't release his tax returns. Politifact rates your statement: pants-on-fire! There is no way to know that Trump isn't just stupid and ignorant and actually believes what he says!
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Sep 2, 2016 21:47
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Are you saying that if you were offered a ride to the polls in a taco truck that fed you tacos and then you got a sticker that said "I Rode Hilary's Taco", you'd be like "nah bru im sweet"? "While that may not be an illegal bribe, certainly the Clinton campaign should have known to avoid the optics of impropriety" - A Talking Head
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Sep 2, 2016 22:03
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WeAreTheRomans posted:by that point it'll be too late and the manocide will have commenced Good thing the Supreme Court will be able to rule 5-4 on any critical election rated issues and lower courts won't have the final say due to a 4-4 split or anything....
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Sep 2, 2016 22:23
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Crowsbeak posted:So when is Hillary going to actually bring out her opposition research? Yeah I know the media is retarded but you need to give them poo poo so they don't start overblowing the email poo poo. She brought up Trump's racist practices as a landlord and the media didn't give a poo poo.
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Sep 2, 2016 23:36
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Beyond this forum and some documentaries i haven't read anything about drug law history, but if you launder your money how will they know where to get it? Because money laundering is a crime already and isn't that easy to do. Very few drug dealers try to launder their money and the ones that do are part of organized crime where throwing away a dealer for a decade doesn't mean poo poo to them. The kinds of people who get hosed by mandatory minimums are not the kind of people laundering money.
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Sep 3, 2016 05:19
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Ah yes, if a random forums poster says it was quid pro quo it must be! I wonder what "strings" were attached to the donation from the Susie Tompkins Buell Fund of the Marin Community Foundation 
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Sep 3, 2016 09:58
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fishmech posted:Suddenly? Is something that happened 40+ years ago really "sudden" enough to justify still voting to gently caress themselves over? No see that's why I'm voting Johnson because I hate free trade and I'm an idiot!
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Sep 3, 2016 21:34
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I wonder how many people actually think Clinton is lying about her stance on CU. Anyone in this thread brave enough to admit to that view?
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Sep 3, 2016 22:51
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a foolish pianist posted:Wait, so Clinton is the Full Communism Now candidate? Or did we just step through into crazy town? Wow it's almost as if one can support a policy that weakens one kind of imperialistic fygm while still not magically transforming into marx
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Sep 4, 2016 00:32
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vseslav.botkin posted:Didn't an oppo file get dumped with the DNC hack? No big shockers in that as I recall. That file was clearly not the complete report and was basically the "trump dirty facts cheat sheet" with citations on all the regular horrible poo poo we have already heard. But remember Trump denied Black renters housing in violation of federal law, Clinton brought the up and the media ignores it while praising Trump for visiting a Black church.
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Sep 4, 2016 03:43
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Kilroy posted:It's all they've used so far, and he is steadily chipping away at her lead. Actually Clinton has brought up a ton of oppo research poo poo, just no one in the media cares to hold Trump to account for any of it. They brought up the small businesses he stole from, the history of housing discrimination, the failed businesses, the fraudulent "university", his refusal to distance himself from the Klan, his white supremist followers, his campaign's ties to Putin, his hateful statements about women and minorities, his past contradictory policy positions, the fact his campaign is staffed by the alt-right and that he has small hands. What critical oppo research topic did they miss?
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Sep 4, 2016 03:57
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Kilroy posted:Basically all that stuff is pre-convention if not a lot earlier, and the media mostly doesn't give a poo poo because it's not "news" in the sense that there is nothing new to cover here. Anyone who cared to know, knew about the housing discrimination since the 90s, knew about his failed businesses since the first Bush administration, knew about the Trump U stuff since the GOP primary was still competitive, knew about his refusal to distance himself from the KKK when he refused to distance himself from the leader of the KKK back in January, knew Manafort was a Putin stooge and Trump has a weird crush on a Russian dictator, knew about his hateful statements since the first time he went on Howard Stern at least, and so on. The Clinton campaign has been doing exactly what you think they should start doing. The problem is that is doesn't get the media coverage you think it would. They've gotten the literal business owners who Trump shorted to talk about it and all it got was crickets. They got new recordings of Trump saying sexist poo poo on tape, crickets. When they tried to push the " manaford is linked to the Russians story" the medi did react, by calling it fearmongering from the Clinton camp.
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Sep 4, 2016 04:22
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Sir Tonk posted:I'd also say that Clinton's ads have been quite good. That one with people reading Breitbart headlines was terrific. I still want them to remake Daisy since they already did confessions of a republican
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Sep 4, 2016 04:47
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You are a complete tool if you think the 3am ad was "disgusting"
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Sep 4, 2016 22:01
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ImpAtom posted:No, it was actually a really lovely ad and something that was rightly mocked. People called it such at the time and I'm not going to suddenly change my mind on it because Hillary Clinton is the actual nominee. It is routinely considered among the best political ads of the modern era. At the time it was only considered "disgusting" by anti-Hillary idiots or maybe bed wetters who feared it would win McCain the election because it was so good. I supported Obama in 2008 and I don't see that ad as "disgusting" only "effective." What part is disgusting exactly?
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Sep 4, 2016 22:16
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ImpAtom posted:The entire thing? It's a ridiculous fearmongering ad that uses the subtle implication that Obama would get your sleeping children killed? So are you mad that it used evocative imagery of children or are you mad that the ad said that "Clinton is better than Obama on national security and that has impacts on the Homefront" or both? Pakled posted:Is it really ridiculous to say "my opponent is irresponsible and shouldn't be trusted with executive power?" That's been a thing since the 60's. Or when Reagan made the subtle implication that Mondale would let your family get eaten by a bear?
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Epic High Five posted:Also lmao talking about automation on labor day weekend? Disrespectful. Here I'll join you: And the posters name was Ned Ludd
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