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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Twelve by Pies posted:

Freep and a lot of the right think the Pulse shooting was the first nail in the coffin for Clinton., even believing it would cause massive support from the gay community for Trump because he'd protect them from further terrorism.

Don't polls consistently show people don't actually trust Trump on terrorism at all?

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Mors Rattus posted:

Ooo, using a copyrighted image is a bad idea there. It'll unfortunately probably not get anywhere but legally speaking, that's a very clear case of copyright infringement.

Trumps are kind of used to walking all over small business/artists/cheating people.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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"They need to get back to the Torah big time! Also we love Trump!"

"You shall not withold the wages of poor and needy laborers, whether other Israelites or aliens who reside in your land and towns. You shall pay them their wages before sunset because they are poor and their livelihood relies on them; otherwise they might cry to The Lord against you, and you would incur guilt." -Deuteronomy 24:14-15

"You shall not deprive a resident alien or an orphan of justice; you shall not take a widow's garment in pledge. Remember that you were a slave in Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you from there. Therefore I command you do this. When you reap your harvest in your field and forget a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it.; it shall be left for the alien, the orphan, and the widow, so that the Lord your God may bless you in all undertakings. When you beat your olive trees, do not strip what is left; it shall be for the alien, the orphan, and the widow. When you gather grapes, do not glean what is left; it shall be for the alien, the orphan, and the widow. Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt; therefore I am commanding you to do this." -Deuteronomy 24:17-22

Note these things in no way describe Trump. He wouldn't even like the bits about how you should visit sacral destruction and devastation on your enemies and offer up all spoil to the Lord; he'd prefer to take the oil.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Fathis Munk posted:

Double fun because deuteronomy is also part of the OT, and thus the Bible and thus their oh so valued Christian faith and culture.

You'll often see Christian sects deny that the OT matters much despite the fact that in Matthew Christ says he came to fulfill, not abolish, the Law.

I mean in fairness, there are tons of parts of Deuteronomy I think are bullshit or crazy, because it's the moral and ethical laws for the nobility of an ancient pastoral culture, but anyone who doesn't notice the emphasis on the idea that even in the harsher and more legalistic old books the Lord hammers that the powerful have an obligation to defend the powerless and to recall that they are fortunate to be wealthy and well fed (and thus extend their wealth to the community and common good) is a bastard.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Mors Rattus posted:

The OT matters or doesn't based entirely on if it supports what you already hate or want to do. See also quoting Leviticus on gay sex. Kashrut, charity to the poor being ordered by law or animal cruelty, those don't matter.

I find it's much easier to deal with if you keep in mind where it comes from and when. And always remind yourself there's a section in it on 'Man we better make sure we kill EVERY motherfucker we fight, no mercy, if they're anywhere near our territory.' in Deuteronomy.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Finagle posted:

See, this is interesting to me. I went to a lot of catholic schools growing up, like the kind run by nuns level of catholic. And I was told multiple times over many years by different nuns that the OT basically "was historical but didn't apply unless you are Jewish" and it was the NT that actually mattered.

Mind you, I have no idea how accurate this is from a theological standpoint it is... but it definitely makes it funny to me when I see "christians" quoting the OT to base their hate.

edit: from what I can remember (its been awhile!) the rationale was based on the old/new covenant deal. That the OT was the old covenant, and that Jesus was here to start the new covenant (rendering the old one N/A).

Well, remember that Matthew was specifically a gospel written for Jewish adherents to the new Jesus Movement before it was specifically the Christian faith. Matthew was primarily an evangelical document trying to convince other jews that Christ was the Messiah and that joining this new sect was cool and not contradictory with prior teaching. Other gospels were written for very different audiences and theological purposes.

E: It's common Christian teaching that the Old Testament and the old Law was abolished, though, despite Matthew. Partly because of passages like Acts where Peter realizes the Lord is abolishing the purity laws. Or things like Paul saying 'Yeah, sure, eat food that was offered to an idol, it's fine, because otherwise you won't be able to buy meat in a marketplace in the Hellenic world.'

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Yeah, sorry to derail some. Just Christian identity is so important to these people but they're such maddeningly terrible Christians, it feels kinda relevant.

Plus, the bit about God demanding you pay your laborers is super fitting to one of Trump's infuriating vices.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Do they just not know basically anything that drives up turnout helps team D?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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I wonder how Freep is going to handle Cruz succumbing to the Orange One? Are there even any Cruzites left after the Purges?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Wait, they actually think they're winning? The polls are turning hard against Trump again. Even loving Breitbart's own 'unskewing' poll today has Abuela up 4.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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I guess they'll always have 'Romney will win in a landslide, published November 6th' Rasmussen.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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DemeaninDemon posted:

Silent majority is silent because they're dead and the dead only vote Democratic.

Our necromantic legions are poised to destroy Christ and spit in God's eye any day now, yes.

Praise be to Baphomet and Satan, and 1000 years of misrule!

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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chitoryu12 posted:

Has there been any reaction from Freep on Trump agreeing with Clinton on some level of gun control? Or did they just let that go in one ear and out the other?

It was gun control for non-whites (which is what they think the Terrorism No Fly List is) so they won't care.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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The Gravis poll Breitbart commissioned actually had Hillary winning, albeit more narrowly than the CNN or PPP polls. :laugh:

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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McGlockenshire posted:

Oh, so it's a real, scientific poll, not an online opt-in? Darn.

Yes, but commissioned by Breibart, from a firm with a general R lean, and it STILL had her winning. Just by slightly less than PPP, CNN, and all the other actual polls.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Every now and then I catch myself hoping these bastards die alone and terrified, abandoned by their friends, family, and country.

It's not right and I shouldn't feel that way, but my niece is *terrified* of the stuff she sees on the news. My nephews' mother is in a near panic about her mixed race sons. My mother is terrified her black grandson is going to die in a run-in with the cops. This poo poo is close to home for me.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

You'll probably get that wish, considering that's how they already live.

I know, but it's also wrong of me to want it. They're still people, no matter what.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Erghh posted:

Wish they would go back to the cyborg/augmented Hildawg conspiracy. That one could be so fun. :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OGZO-F5Bp0

Sadly we have to wait for President Duckworth for our first aug president.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Why are there more registered Democrats, anyway? Is it because Democrats are less likely to be ashamed enough of our party to say we're 'actually Independent'?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Oh god. I'm actually kind of sad to see that.

Hope the old rage golem is finally at peace.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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It's like my very own distant racist uncle has passed.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Nihilarian posted:

Trump didn't really call Hillary a lesbian did he?

Naw, he just implied she cheats on Bill in general.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Mors Rattus posted:

Personally, I just want to know if this is all because Trump crossed a line for the Republicans or if it was a straw and camel's back situation.

It's a mixture of straw and 'He's already down HOW MUCH in the polls!? gently caress!'

Look at how the Christian Right has reacted: They're some of the ones defending this the most, waving it off as 'Eh, everyone's sinful'.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Priebus is trying to claim he's totally onboard now and that everything is fine.

I think it's a little late.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Bathtub Cheese posted:

It's interesting to note that there were a few Freepers who were outright critical of police decision-making/use of force a couple years ago as Black Lives Matter was just starting out. Since then, they've galvanized in favor of the police. I wonder what happened? :smugdon:

Well, they keep running out anyone who disagrees. It's like why there are no more Cruzites on Freep.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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SocketWrench posted:

I get it now, I know why freep hates trans people now. They're afraid they'll find one attractive and then be classified as being gay

Wouldn't being attracted to a transwoman as a guy just make you straight? I mean, they're a woman.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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I'm really looking forward to watching Freep turn on Trump hardcore the second he loses.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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change my name posted:

To be fair, Hillary is bringing Mark Cuban and Meg Whitman tonight for the same reason.

There's a difference between 'my opponent is thin-skinned and so having a couple people just sit politely in the audience rattles him' versus 'I want to have people scream BILL IS A RAPIST HE RAPES in the middle of the debate and throw a chair'.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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It's really weird to read their prayers for the debate. I mean, I'll admit I prayed for Hillary's success, but I don't think I actually had any effect on anything. God isn't some magic pokemon you control by invoking the right words.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Fighting Trousers posted:

Imagine how it makes God feel.

Sad that they're spending their lives in terrified misery, I'd imagine.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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I am really looking forward to Freep waking up, checking their favorite polls (LA Times, IBD) and seeing both have Clinton up today. :allears:

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Oh my god, some no poo poo freeper :derp: is so good. So, so good.

It's started to sink in to them that they're going to get crushed again, isn't it? They're pre-souring them grapes.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Mors Rattus posted:

Dude loving despised Catholicism, yeah, even more than Islam and the gays. He believed Muslims were just deluded and needed the true word of Christ, while the Catholics were evil incarnate. The gays were evil but much less harmful.

D&D, though, pretty evil, because it did real magic.

You gotta be careful of that death cookie, man.

Also, if RPGs teach you real magicks with the k I've been getting screwed, since I've been playing the drat things for 16 years and I can't even cast the mind bondage spell like Elfstar.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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stan worship posted:

Ugh. What is with right-wingers and this kind of garbage?

Virtue signaling is very precious to casually evil people because they cannot believe other people might do right because they desire to do right. It has to be a trick and everyone else has to be as withered and awful as them, right?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

Longstreet's almost unique among ex-Confederate generals, in that after the war he committed the two unforgivable sins of 1. admitting yeah, it'd been all about slavery the whole time, and 2. joining the Republican party. Mosby's the only other one who did both I can think of, and he wasn't nearly as prominent at Longstreet.

Of course, given that the former had been Grant's best man at his wedding and closest friend in the prewar army, perhaps it came easier.

Patrick Cleburne, one of their Western generals and an Irish immigrant who'd made it good in America, legitimately bought the whole 'states rights, defend our region' thing so much that he proposed to the rest of the general staff that they free and arm any slave who would fight for them, since States' Rights was obviously the real cause.

The rest of the staff basically went 'Oh, uh, what? poo poo man, you're a war hero, you can't be saying this kind of thing' and did everything they could to bury that he'd even said such insanity to save his reputation.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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I did a paper on Cleburne ages ago and his story is sad as hell. He was an insanely brave, honorable guy who loved his new home because he'd come there and made a great life as a pharmacist and local politician, got elected militia leader, turned out to be a good commander, and became a war hero. He finally found love and got married, then basically got told the cause he thought he was fighting for was bullshit to his face and then shortly after was ordered into an insane frontal charge for the reasons of 'My CO is missing 2 limbs, is out of his mind with chronic pain, and is hopped up on laudanum' and then got shot in the heart. Like, if there was a guy who had an actual excuse for not getting that it was all about slavery it was the guy who wasn't from the South originally and who really thought he was fighting to defend his new home until he died pointlessly.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Like, the fact that there WERE decent people who got snookered into defending turbo-racist aristocrats economic dominance of the southern US through selling and exploiting human lives is one of the many reasons all monuments to the shitshow that was the confederacy should be put to the torch.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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SocketWrench posted:

Hood still bears the blame for losing them Gettysburg because he didn't keep the pressure on the north while they reformed on the heights. Of course the north had it's share of idiots there too like Sickles who was willing to cost the battle for some extra notch

Isn't Sickles the guy who had a leg blown off and then used the literal mummified leg as a prop during his political career? And also the first guy to get off on Temporary Insanity when he shot a dude who was cheating with his wife (while Sickles himself was cheating on his wife with prostitutes)?

Daniel Sickles: Yet another lesser known crazy fucker of the American Civil War.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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SocketWrench posted:

Yeah, it's just wanting your nation to control other nations...and this is exactly how we ended up where we are now with a warring middle east, terrorism, and your boogey man absolute new best bud China

Saying a few nice things, granting a few brand copyright exceptions, it all goes a long way!

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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TapTheForwardAssist posted:

The only GOP position that I actually want to succeed is legalizing silencers. Then Full Socialism Now and legal silencers will be subsidized by Medicaid.

I'm just curious because some of the other non 'I wanna shoot black folks n' illegals' gun people I know seem up on legalized silencers: Why? Is it a hearing protection thing?

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