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It is unfortunate that all the times this thread blows up is because some white idiot pokes his head into the thread and gets shooed away. A lot of things posters like Negromancer have said have made me uncomfortable, but I don't see that as a bad thing, I see it as things my privilege has allowed me to distance myself from up until recently. There's been some times I've done that *stands up, opens mouth to object, sits back down knowing better*. The one thing I have to thank for some of the idiots in the thread is that it has given me a chance to reflect on my own thoughts, beliefs and biases and change many of them. And at least for me, knowing the extent of all the privilege I've had in my life makes me realize things weren't that bad, all things considered. But instead of being  about it, I really wish everybody could have a similar experience, and I've started thinking about things I can do, no matter how small, that can move everything in that direction.
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Like I said earlier, this is the message board that will rightfully run out people that quibble about ebephelia or whatever but on the subject of race its a death star sized blind spot.
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Jan 10, 2017 02:41
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I feel like a decent culture could just take their black face elements to their dances or whatever and change it to a another color. Problem solved.
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Jan 11, 2017 20:21
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I guess I'm a white dude that fell on his head as a baby or something because I always assumed ancient Egyptians were black because Egypt was a part of Africa?  And gently caress anyone that thinks the pyramids were built by aliens. The fact that they were built by humans thousands of years ago is what makes them badass; they were the tallest man made structures for millenia.
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Jan 13, 2017 20:03
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Let's get a Jesus Christ Superstar remake with a black actor!
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Jan 13, 2017 20:14
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Going back the previous page, holding people criminally liable for reporting bogus suspicious behavior is problematic for two reasons; one it encourages people to second guess themselves if something legitimately happens (fearing liability if they're wrong) and two, it could make rape victims that recant face retaliation from their attackers. The responsibility should be on the police to properly evaluate these situations. The change needs to be on their own policies and procedures to discern imminent threats from racist cranks calling them.
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Jan 15, 2017 01:35
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You could also use Colin Kapernick silently kneeling during the the National anthem as another example of the 'wrong' kind of non-violent protest according to white people. All he did was kneel yet people lost their poo poo about it. Edit:Beaten
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Jan 16, 2017 19:23
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The conclusion I've drawn from many Black posters here is that the more progressive a white person believes they are, the blinder they get to the tone deaf, ignorant, patronizing, condescending attitudes they still carry. That's why I'd rather not pat myself on the back about how progressive or woke I think I am, and instead focus on what I can improve or change. In a way, it's like what is required to improve in creative endeavors be it art, music, etc. You need to be able to handle criticism to grow and evolve; if you stay convinced you're perfect your work will stagnate. The progressives that Black posters use as examples remind me of bad artists that only know how to draw the same stilted anime character and nothing else.
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Jan 18, 2017 22:18
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Gringostar posted:https://twitter.com/clintonyates/status/821835922408882176 So since white people outnumber black people like 12 to 1,can we then conclude that white people are 12x as racist as black people? 
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Jan 19, 2017 01:52
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Both Tiny Brontosaurus or Koalas March are my two top picks. Not only are they excellent at calling people out on very subtle bullshit but they are also reasonable when it comes to people owning up to stuff. Not to mention the apt use of animated gifs!
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Jan 19, 2017 21:35
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Throw the racist assholes in the Sarlaac pit, KM. Where they will slowly eat away at themselves for a thousand years.
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Jan 20, 2017 15:04
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Today I was talking to my mom about how I learned how Black patients often get substandard treatment in hospitals and she didn't believe me (working in the medical field herself). "Not in California" was her reply. Now her specific field is very tightly regulated and she takes pride in decades of professionalism and I'm guessing she just assumes staff that mistreated a Black patient in any way (in California) would get punished 100% of the time. I know when people posted about it earlier in the thread I had a hard time accepting it myself, but understood that other people's experiences were not my own and they deserved to be heard. In hindsight, it's not much of a stretch to believe it; white people complain about lovely hospital treatment all the time so Black people having to deal with more of it should be more believable. One privilege some white people like my mom (who don't consider themselves racist) have is this assumption that "If I did [horrible racist thing] I would get punished/fired, therefore no other white people are doing it because they'd obviously get caught" This makes it a lot easier for the racist shitheels to actually get away with it, because they'll be surrounded by other well-meaning white people that can't wrap their head around somebody doing something so hateful and getting away with it; look at how much sexual abuse goes unpunished in families for example because relatives can't accept their spouse/parent/sibling could do something so monstrous to a child.
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Jan 22, 2017 03:23
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One of the challenging and frustrating questions we have to ask ourselves is, "can we really legislate prejudice away?". We can pass laws saying it is illegal to refuse to hire/enroll/rent/loanetc based on race, but it will only have teeth if people are willing to enforce it. And from what it sounds like from black posters' experiences, a lot of these laws and regulations are little more than lip service for people of color. Even the title of the thread explains it; "You're not the right cultural fit" as a dogwhistle for not wanting to hire someone because they're a Black person. If you tell a white businessperson "If you engage in discrimination, you will face sanction" it seems like all they really have to do is cover their lovely attitudes and practices in a fondant-like glaze of innocence and proving that discrimination actually happened at that point takes so much excess time, lawyers, money, and knowlege that it is the outliers among outgroups that sucessfully sue or change policy. Perhaps white people are so steeped in the misconception that we live in a post-racial society that they can't accept that discrimination is even a possibility. Like I mentioned earlier, its so hard for even well-meaning white people to accept so they draw their own conclusions.
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Jan 23, 2017 08:17
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At the same time you could argue White Supremacy will come down ten times harder on a wealthy or influential Black person because that person will be educated and connected enough not to just roll over when an institution tries to put them in their place.
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Jan 23, 2017 16:17
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What groups would disproportionately benefit from increasing the minimum wage? Should we base it on the group that has the highest % of its members living on minimum wage, or the biggest group in the US that makes minimum wage?
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Jan 23, 2017 18:19
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teen witch posted:Not disagreeing on the many merits of dead racists; it's more of this odd bitterness I feel when I see white people being psyched about the deaths of "bad" white people and being quiet about, y'know, black history month or any sort of positive POC things. It's a 'safe' stance for white people to have. Some statement like "That white person was a bad racist and it's good they're dead" won't directly offend other people but advocating for people of color might be more of a minefield for their alabaster brain. Remember that calling a white person a racist is like the 'N' word, and if there's anything more unacceptable than actual racism to a white person, it's hurting that white person's feelings.
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Feb 13, 2017 01:18
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I do see what you mean about White Savior movies and wonder if there is a kind of 'Bechtel test' for it. It particularly jumped out at me in The Help, where the plucky young white female college student was the only one that could help the maids (much less care). At least with Hidden Figures the women had a lot more agency in my opinion.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:08
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Jack Gladney posted:I once spent 45 minutes trying to explain to my father why he was wrong when he said that only people from his part of the country didn't have an accent (we are from the United States). I asked him whether people would be able to tell where he was from by the way he spoke if he went to England and he said, "yes." I asked him what that meant and he said that over there they speak it all funny like in Mary Poppins so they would know when they heard someone speaking normal, correct English. You can expand this to a TON of cultural norms. Much like accent, there's a lot of stuff we can assume is the 'default'. My wife is a different race from me and grew up in a different country than I did and I really took it for granted that she'd have the same 'norms' as I would. I don't think it's just a white boomer thing though, any culturally homogenous community is going to have the problem. I'm not giving other millennials a pass just because irony was invented in their lifetimes.
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Feb 28, 2017 15:30
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Jack Gladney posted:This is incredibly important. Thank you for saying it. And something else I wanted to mention is the awful rise of 'ironic' racism in an attempt to be edgy which really isn't all that different from passive-aggressive forms of bigotry from older generations. These things don't magically spring forth fully formed from some bigots head like some racist Athena. They were learned.
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Feb 28, 2017 15:48
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Don't you know that criticizing blackface just alienates people who like blackface Well that's a relief!
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Feb 28, 2017 20:16
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Maybe if white people are getting outrageously long prison sentences for being racist shitheads there will be pressure for reform in the criminal justice system. Because it seems like its only going to happen when the most untouchable of society is suddenly affected by it.
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Mar 2, 2017 17:50
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Hey guys did u know my black friend voted for Trump and  This changes everything!
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Apr 1, 2017 04:47
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I had thought I read in the news recently that Google was specifically trying to hire more people of color for this very reason?
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Apr 15, 2017 18:27
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Phone posting, missed the autocomplete. Guess swype is racist too. 
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Apr 15, 2017 18:38
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Guess it's the Puritan work ethic applied in reverse; a privileged person easily gets the job which greatly overinflates their sense of competency and hard work. Then this is the lens they see people of color through,if that other person didn't get the job then they conclude it had to do with their arbitrary lack of effort.
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Apr 15, 2017 21:05
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I know people have already mentioned that racism, much like sexism, isn't a rational stance to take and even in a capitalistic environment companies will lose out on millions to maintain their white supremacist attitudes. But I'm surprised that you wouldn't have some particularly poc-friendly companies that focus in hiring brilliant and talented people screwed over in other companies because of their skin color. I had thought silicon valley was all about poaching talent from other companies and I would think hiring disenfranchised google/Facebook/apple/etc employees would give them a talent pool neglected by the rest of the tech sector.
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Apr 15, 2017 22:42
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Goddamn that was loving awful. That poor woman never got a chance to have a normal life, it was always in service of that family. It also makes me wonder how often this happens. Given the lengths the parents went to hide the very obvious fact that the woman was literally their slave, I imagine they are not the only family to pull this kind of thing
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May 17, 2017 12:57
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There definitely is more awareness of human trafficking these days (I'm assuming it's because the public started to become aware white people are affected which is why some of them suddenly started caring, in spite of it going on for a long rear end time) and you're probably right that people's reactions are probably affected differently between a sex worker and a domestic worker.
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May 17, 2017 14:02
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Also, when people called out the current Filipino president on his own take on the 'War on Drugs', many Filipinos responded with stuff to the effect of, "You don't understand, you're not Filipino" . So I'm not surprised at the reaction of some Filipino-Americans on twitter. I mean if people can tolerate the Duterte Regime, then the idea of domestic slavery is going to seem like chump change in comparison. Panfilo fucked around with this message at 04:08 on May 19, 2017 |
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May 19, 2017 01:32
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Koalas March posted:Crossposting this bullshit What is it about Twitter that just unleashes the inner smoothbrain in people? When I first heard about it I figured it would be full of mundane stuff like  ketchup and Ramen gently caress Yeah! But apparently it is basically the equivalent of YouTube comment threads along the lines of  People of color are the real racists! 
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Aug 8, 2017 03:05
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I hope people of color in Charlottesville are safe. My mom's family (who are Jewish) have been pretty horrified at the Neo Nazi activity but I imagine it must be way worse for a person of color living in that area.
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What I like about Tiny Brontosaurus is how many people she has gotten to come around on their attitudes about race. On the Internet, there's very little incentive to change your opinion and when you combine it with white privilege there's even less. So I believe every person that chooses not to double down with her to be trying to make a positive effort. As other posters have joked, the barriers to allyship are tissue thin, and it mainly requires listening to people of color and their experiences. Reading through the thread can give you a lot of resources.
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Aug 15, 2017 21:09
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is not on-topic for this thread, because no one in the Trump admin is black except for Omarosa and Bullet Farmer, but he's right. Trump is a shitlord and a Republican but "alt-right" is something specific and he's not it. He parrots everything they say, but he does that with anyone. It is going to be interesting to see what changes now that Bannon's gone. Agreed!
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Aug 22, 2017 22:36
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OgreNoah posted:I was at DragonCon over the weekend, and it's really great seeing how much POC representation there is in fandom now, at least on the fan side. That's great to hear. More diversity in nerddom is a good thing. Something my wife commented on is how she felt like a lot of media felt really derivative over the past decades. Everything is a remake, a reboot, a sequel, etc and it made me wonder because its always pandering to white guys. Having people of color write, illustrate, direct, etc these kinds of media brings in fresh ideas and perspectives. And the way they get into their hobbies is often unique from how a white person might get into them. I binge watched Marvel's Defenders recently, and hadn't actually seen all the other series (Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Iron Fist) that were all mashed together in Defenders. Since I was going in blind and didn't know much about the backstory, I noticed in particular how different attitudes were between Cage and Murdock. Through most of the plot, Luke Cage doesn't want to get involved, repeatedly mentions how he doesn't want to get in trouble/go back to prison. Meanwhile you have Matt Murdock who has his friends scrambling to hold him back from getting himself and the people around him in trouble. Cage is super strong and bulletproof, yet fears incarceration, while Daredevil is relatively more 'mortal' yet doesn't give a poo poo about the consequences of his actions if it is what he believes to be the right thing to do. It got me thinking about white privilege and how it translates toward superheroes and their own universes. Like in the film Hancock, where the first half is how Hancock is portrayed as this superpowered wino; I wonder if citizens would've been more willing to put his faults aside if he were white. While his faults were part of the story, I'm willing to bet that if he were white he wouldn't be under nearly as much pressure to reinvent himself (and stop drinking).
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Sep 5, 2017 18:46
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How many other games out there use racial privilege as a difficulty slider?
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Sep 12, 2017 03:40
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Koalas March posted:A weird amount of black men (usually hoteps and ankhs) buy into that poo poo. Which is weird because a lot of sovcits seem super racist to me. I'm really surprised to hear that. I had always assumed the SovCit thing tended to be  redneck white guys.
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Sep 16, 2017 19:00
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Fluffdaddy posted:No doubt. Rugged individualism is one of those things that has leaked from mainstream white American culture into POC in the US. Post war boom probably gave a generation or two of white people the illusion that growing up in an economy where jobs and buying power were good meant a privileged white person has to actively go out of their way to screw up. Take that attitude and project it into the present day and the same people are unable to see challenges some people face that they themselves never had to deal with. When it is easy to get a sustainable job and your dollars go a long way, it's easier to not need to rely on others. But this seems to be the exception, not the rule in the grand scheme of things. My in laws, who are Latino, are very family oriented and it is the reason they are so successful. It wasn't just one of them bootstrapping an immigrant life in the US, it was their entire family and community looking out for each other.
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Sep 20, 2017 18:30
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Great now I'm never gonna get the song September out of my head!
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stone cold posted:you can't be racist to white people oh thank goodness *scuttles into burrow of white privilege *
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I've heard all that unoccupied space opens up the potential to reverse a lot of previous sprawl that has plagued many cities in the present day. Building of green spaces, parks, gardens/farms, and so forth. Unfortunately this probably also costs money and public involvement of people that might have little currently invested in it. But I'm sure posters that actually live in Detroit are probably more keen on this than I am.
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