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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Rodatose posted:

much as godzilla dealt with man's use of nuclear weapons, an ice godzilla waking thanks to thawing permafrost could easily work as symbolic for the effects of global warming

someone make this movie thanks

the first gamera movie had gamera freed by arctic ice melts...

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Majorian posted:

Speaking of fishmech, has he defended his bad opinions during the election anywhere?

i didnt have any, so what's to defend?

unlesssssss you're trying to claim trump is good?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Majorian posted:

Look at what you did, fishmech:


Face your crimes.

sorry you're still mad that bernie sanders is a centrist liberal?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Badger of Basra posted:

I read the romanovs book fishmech posted

It was pretty good but there's a really weird tone shift after Nicholas II abdicates and we're supposed to feel really bad for him

Like Catherine can kill her husband whose name I can't even remember and that's good because he was an idiot, but it's bad when it happens to Nicholas because he was very sad about it all

i mean i feel sorry for him a little because he's kind of a huge idiot who had no idea how little he understood of his own country :shrug:

but he was also a huge idiot who got to be the autocrat of a huge country for like 23 years so you can't feel that sorry for him.


it was also kind of a trip to look at the late 18th century/early 19th century tsars who could just up and grant people 500,000 or 800,000 or a million serfs as rewards. the biggest plantation owners of the pre-civil-war south might own 2000 people tops but there's Elizaveta or whoever saying here have nearly a million people.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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kustomkarkommando posted:

also I don't get people who like zappa

his work is at least pretty interesting

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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ehmd@`ldqhb`m@ltrhb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlYys58hsCU

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

yeah this is kind of a thing too, because like as kkk said if you're total family income is like 100k and you've got kids, house, etc and live in suburbia that money can disappear pretty quickly


ehhhhh if you're doing things like insisting on sending your kids to private school to avoid nonwhites and other such silly things, i guess.

but that's the sort of money where you get moans that they don't have any money left, after you drop a hefty chunk of change into savings/long term investments each month. instead of actually not having any money left.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_and_Fall_of_the_City_of_Mahagonny

This opera seems extremely good

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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Avshalom posted:

happy australian hanukkah you ship of fools

had an excellent Hanukkah brunch this morning w/ family

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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kustomkarkommando posted:

how you miss the queen 2016

The Queen became fully robot by 1998

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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nice meltdown, bibi

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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disney doug was definitely bad, but nickelodeon doug was ok most of the time

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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man alpacas sure are cute tho

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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one of my friends got married at an aquarium where they put a group of penguins in the wedding ceremonies, and have on ebring the rings up the aisle

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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syscall girl posted:

it's llamas and elks as far as the eye can see here

llamas spit like camel and i can't figure out whether alpacas do the same but i'd suspect them of it

alpacas are generally a lot nicer to random humans

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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GhostofJohnMuir posted:

boooooo


boooooooooooo!

sorry her coord isnt up to your standards

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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kustomkarkommando posted:

what did Obama do to the czechs

he's in the pocket of Big Slovak

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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exmarx posted:

good conspiracy theory i'm now a massive fan of: the queen is dead

in the sense that fully robotic beings aren't alive, yeah she's been "dead" since 1998 when she finally went from mere cyborg to full robot

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Badger of Basra posted:

should i try to read war and peace

i mean, it's important, but i always felt like maybe i'd be getting a lot more out of this if was able to read the original russian

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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Gin and Juche posted:

So ima guess that I wouldn't be able to sell a used ps3 from 2008 for very much right

is it one of the ones that can play PS2 games? cuz those sell well still

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

boner confessor posted:

the statute of limitations has passed for the rape charges iirc but he skipped bail in england and that never expires so as soon as he leaves the embassy he'll be nicked by the bobbies lol

the statute of limitations on some lesser charges expired, but the statute of limitations on the serious charge doesn't expire until somewhere between 2019 and 2025

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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corn in the bible posted:

probably android, etc?

i dont think there are many android desktops/laptops around. its probably just browsers that hide the os from the user agent and other such headers

probably includes a decent amount of programs that attempt to automatically grab new content when its uploaded or caching services

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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exmarx posted:

what else could it be

considering incest (especially simulated incest) and cartoon porn has been popular for a very long time, i don't see what it has to do with "late capitalism"? unless we're just going to declare capitalism was late capitalism from the very start?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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exmarx posted:

no it hasn't

yeah it has, go look up the content of vintage porn mags/films and tijuana bibles sometime. its up there with foot fetishes and the hot neighbor/teacher as common porn forms/topics.

pornographic cartoon illustrations date back to the romans and earlier even

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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glad you admit you're wrong. :thumbsup:


corn in the bible posted:

there's tijuana bibles from the 20s of mickey raping minnie mouse with his "giant rat pecker"

and those are just the ones that some weird grandpa bothered to save/didn't get destroyed after being seized by the cops

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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exmarx posted:

fish mech thinks video game pornography was popular in the middle ages

video game porn is no different from porn based on any other fictional media. the middle ages had plenty of pornographic material based on characters from fiction including bible stories.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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exmarx posted:

yes it is

what's the actual moral difference between wanting to gently caress mario and wanting to gently caress don quixote. please give a response in detail, with examples.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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Rodatose posted:

speaking on a personal level? I'd say there is none

i agree. but he doesn't seem to for some reason.

probably because he's defensive about his extensive library of filthy early modern spanish novellas, imo

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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exmarx posted:

i haven't suggested a 'moral' difference, of course. escapism/interactivity is inherent to video games in a way it generally isn't to art. the likelihood of somebody being alienated from reality and wanting to be and/or gently caress mario is therefore greater than them wanting to be/gently caress don quixote. desperately wanting to be 'inside' fiction is a symptom of alienation, but video games drive and exacerbate alienation.

you're frankly an idiot if you think escapism isn't inherent to novels etc. or if you think all video games are inherently allowing for more escapism than all other forms of media. especially given how many video games are out there with minimal actual interactivity.

sorry that you feel more ashamed about your loving mario fantasies then your loving don quixote fantasies though :( perhaps u should see a therapist about that?? its probably not mentally healthy

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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consider also that stage performances are traditionally interactive to varying extents between performer and audience, with it even being a specific thing that many audience members felt left out in with the transition to movies. see also interactions between audience and performers of music.

and that's to say nothing of various forms of role playing games, tabletop or otherwise, that existed. and i don't just mean d&d proper. there's long traditions of role-playing of sorts for recreation across many cultures

fishmech fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jan 6, 2017

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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R. Mute posted:

heyo fishmech, how many don quixote slashfics do you think were written in the seventeenth century?

dozens, in all likelihood. to say nothing of people privately fantasizing/writing letters/etc. there were plenty of non-dirty fanfics of it recorded in various languages already, and those are just ones that people wrote about/even preserved in publicly accessible sources.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

R. Mute posted:

wow, whole dozens, huh? in all likelihood, even? how many mario slashfics do you think there are now?

there's a lot more people that can play a mario game in a world of 7 billion then could read don quixote in a world of half a billion where most of those people didn't even have communication with the people who knew about don quixote, let alone the ability to read in a language it was already in or translated to and the ability to then write their own work on it.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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exmarx posted:

was 'don quixote' the top porncodex result in russia, do you think

why does it need to be the top result 2 count.

russian nobility of the time would probably be into something french or german though

R. Mute posted:

yeah, you're right, video game porn is a lot more popular now than don quixote porn was back then

useless comparison, don quixote is just one possible character. you might as well say video game porn isn't actually popular since porn of Croc for the sega saturn isn't as popular as all porn about characters in books!

video game porn is just porn of fictional characters, and fictional characters as a whole are massively popular in porn since forever.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

exmarx posted:

because you've been arguing against the idea that video game pornography is more popular now than pornographic art has historically been.

it isn't though. there's more or less the same proportion of porn about existing fictional characters as compared to porn using its own original characters as there's ever been.

you've not even shown anything that approaches saying that, tbh

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
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R. Mute posted:

you made that comparison, remember?

how much slashfic was there in general, do you think, in the middle ages or the early modern ages or whatever? what percentage of the population came into contact with that sort of stuff? and how would it compare to today?

no, i said that don quixote porn existed, and that mario porn existed. i never said there was exactly as much of specifically don quixote as any other entire category of porn, just that he's one subject that was used in porn.

not sure why you're specifically asking about gay porn now, but there was plenty. pornographic content is known pretty much globally and all throughout history, coming in various different forms that we know of. illiterate peasants for instance would not make much use of literary porn, but could be expected to know a few pornographic songs or stories - many of which would reference folkloric characters or biblbical characters.

exmarx posted:

the original statement was about the increasing relative popularity:

which you haven't proven to exist. you've at most shown that some proportion of the source media for porn of existing fictional characters moved around, but that doesn't mean anything - that's always changing because what media forms are available are changing. not much opportunity to really wanna gently caress a radio drama character when radio dramas become a barely-alive format for instance.

you also really didn't show that crytpo-incest is increasing, again that's another long-time incredibly popular topic in pornography

exmarx posted:

me: it's bad how x is really popular now a days
:fishmech:: actually, there are nearly a dozen examples of y in history

why is it bad that people want to gently caress mario the video game character instead of wanting to gently caress some random guy named mario. please explain in detail with examples.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

R. Mute posted:

that's kinda the point right there, buck-o. you basically did this:


im not down with the lingo and assumed slashfic was the same as sexual fanfic \_(ツ)_/

sorry that both you and him are mad that wanting to gently caress fictional characters wasn't invented or popularized by "late capitalism", a fake and meaningless idea. hth.


notice how that says among other things that incest was already very popular, and that porn of black women and "lesbians scissoring" got more popular faster than things you were complaining about. and "hentai" and "cartoon" actually got less popular.

similarly in the russia image, the actual most popular categories remain "anal", "teen" and "mature" - quite traditional fetishes.

Tesseraction posted:

oh, huh

I always thought slashfic was just "A x B" not specifically homoerotic fiction

clearly I will flunk Porn Studies this semester uguu

slashfic originates with specifically the Star Trek gay male pairings - eg spock/kirk. and it retains as by far the thing people mean when they say they have slashfic of something. of course a lot of that has to do with the minimal presence of female main characters in star trek and indeed most media.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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exmarx posted:

2014 seems to be the year



interesting how only one of the top gaining search terms in that year is related to fictional media or incest. almost like your whole premise is bunk!

unless "big booty" and "latina" are secret codes i guess

(also interesting how mom loses 6 places in the same year stepmom gains 6, implying no real shift in incest-desire)

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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

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exmarx posted:

i haven't mentioned 'cartoon' or 'hentai' once.

you're complaining about people wanting to gently caress the fictional characters. they are relevant to that.

if you don't count them though, than that makes your argument even less convincing, especially since a lot of both of those searches are for video game porns.


exmarx posted:

me: it's bad how x is really popular now a days
:fishmech:: actually, y is popular too. and z is becoming less popular.

you still haven't explained why it's bad that people want to gently caress mario, as opposed to wanting to gently caress just some guy named mario. which is the implied thesis behind "it's bad if people want more porn with fictional characters", that therefore its better if not's porn with fictional characters.

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