Animation Thread 2017: "These Movies don't cater to the 25-40 demographic"

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A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Desperado Bones posted:

That is so sad, I would be like super interested in going to a women only gaming con, considering that is rare for me to find another woman willing to talk about games outside the internet. I'm a bit sick of the whole "gaming is for booooyyyzzz only" mentality.

And jumping in to the honey pot about MLP, the show was good...for little girls. I dropped the show after like 5 episodes because it was extremely boring and simple (for me, an adult woman), and then came the bronies and me finding pony porn on every image search that had nothing to do with ponies. So ugh. UGH. Yes, fanbases can be creepy and weird. I also wonder which, I suppose, upset goon brony bought me my avatar

vv Edit: Yes, exactly. I dunno why some fans kept trying to find "deepness" in a show that didn't have any deep.

It's probably pretty deep by their standards, you're not exactly gonna see a lot of fans of My Little Pony who have opinions about which translation of The Stranger is best.

# ¿ Jun 29, 2017 22:16

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A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Das Boo posted:

I just went off on a tangent in my head about how much I hate "But it's a power fantasy!" as an excuse for lovely characters and hackneyed writing.

what kind of goonlord uses that as a defense of something

# ¿ Jul 24, 2017 16:16

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

standard-issue power fantasy of a guy who sneaks into a concentration camp to beat the poo poo out of the inmates

# ¿ Jul 24, 2017 20:44

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Fangz posted:

There's not a lot of drama in the premise of 'does this character manage to convey their feelings' if they aren't shy.

Pepe le Pew's ready for a comeback

# ¿ Aug 6, 2017 07:29

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Hedrigall posted:

A happy solution would be you either watching or not watching Zootopia, your choice, but never telling us whether you did or not

You wouldn't feel compelled to have an opinion one way or another, and you'd save us from reading about it. It'd be the best outcome.

It'd be like... Schroedinger's viewer

you are the absolute last person on earth who should be giving people poo poo about posting too much garbage nobody wants to read

Pick posted:

I would like to focus on movies where short snippets of really high-quality animation showed up that are otherwise forgotten.

What else is there, Last Action Hero, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and like The Pagemaster?

# ¿ Aug 9, 2017 05:51

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Who Framed Roger Rabbit but Valiant is the cartoon and Roger is an actual genetically engineered bipedal rabbit

# ¿ Aug 31, 2017 21:29

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Valiant didn't die he just had cel reassignment surgery

# ¿ Aug 31, 2017 22:04

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Sinners Sandwich posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xz-204-QU
I'm the girl cat with the clashing character design

I'm the malevolent force that prevents moviemakers from ever producing anything but origin stories

# ¿ Sep 8, 2017 01:51

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

CRINDY posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvomHFZO0mk

New Coco trailer. It looks light and fun. Not sure if it'll be essential, but it at least seems very nice.

I'm the soundtrack to the movie about loving mexican music, brought to you by The Verve

# ¿ Sep 17, 2017 22:03

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

ThermoPhysical posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pa_Weidt08

Oh no.

America deserved 9/11

# ¿ Sep 22, 2017 00:01

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Pick posted:

No, I mean they have to waste at least 80 percent of the film introducing the premise of Ninjago, which isn't very good to start with, and then dismantling the premise so they can try to tell a story. There's no time for the story because they're trying to work in what the hell "spinjutsu" is when it's stupid and nobody cares. e.g. this crap:

i read that entire quote and now I'm on the spectrum

# ¿ Sep 25, 2017 07:18

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

I'm making a movie right now, it's the Me Show and I'm the star and cameraman and also the camera. Directed by Jesus.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2017 00:21

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Barudak posted:

The only successful goon projects are Awful Fantasy 3 and Swap.avi so no, dont ever do a goon project.

The Zybourne Clock as what it became is a far greater success than the lovely RPGmaker game it was initially meant to be

# ¿ Oct 2, 2017 03:21

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Pick posted:

TNBC is great even though it's uneven and weird. Like that's a huge selling point.

yeah it's a big goofy mess that honestly could probably have done with even less of a plot

# ¿ Oct 13, 2017 08:49

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Schwarzwald posted:

I finally found time to rewatch the film, and as many good things as there are in it, the animation is definitely ugly.

It's all the more of a shame as the art is gorgeous as long as it's standing still, but outside the backgrounds, nothing ever does. Even when a character is seemingly holding a pose, they jitter and vibrate. It's intensely uncomfortable.

Similarly, there's very little silence. A musically number begins immediately after any pause, and that quickly becomes cacophonous regardless of any songs individual quality.

It's an animated film that would strongly benefit from being less animated.

yeah all the art and animation in The Last Unicorn looks phenomenal to me except the Unicorn herself, who needs to like randomly wobble her unsettling looking head around every time she talks because I guess some senior animator said she held too still during dialogues or something

Macaluso posted:

That fox movie right? Fantastic Mr Fox I think? I couldn't get into that movie either cause I just found the animation unpleasant to watch. I know I'm in the super minority there and pretty much everyone here loves that movie to death but I could not get into it cause of that. And I'm gonna be real honest, even though it's a good movie I have a hard time going back and watching the original Toy Story because the animation is so dated at this point compared to how Toy Story 3 currently looks. I feel like hand drawn animated movies don't really have this issue for me

Though even beyond that TNBC I've always just been kind of "meh" about beyond the amazing songs

George Clooney is an unpleasant protagonist even when he's not a grisly taxidermy fox

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 16, 2017

# ¿ Oct 16, 2017 17:18

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

dirksteadfast posted:

�I�m okay!� followed by multiple farts. People who cut trailers must be completely self-aware, or not paid nearly enough.

where they can get it they take their tiny revenge on the guys who took that awesome aspirational film editor job they were applying for before they got this one

# ¿ Nov 8, 2017 17:42

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Sir Lemming posted:

I mean, I'm more or less with you there, even though I didn't "get it" at first. I guess I'm just still not 100% convinced that I'm not willing myself into believing it's a better movie than it is, if that makes any sense. Part of me is like "Ah, but it's supposed to feel kind of crazy in the middle, it's the adventure he's been searching for!" and part of me is like "nah it's just a flawed masterpiece."

The talking dogs are definitely the weakest part of the movie as far as making any sort of sense thematically. It's a great running gag, but it would probably work better in a different movie.

The talking dogs tie in to the villain's basic failing of rejecting actual living humanity for living in a world of his past glories under his total control, he's start-of-the-movie Duke with a props budget and a willingness to get nasty with it. He can't bear to share the spotlight with anyone and can't really deal with people as human beings, but he can't completely do without people, so he makes his own entirely servile race out of housepets. The dogs are totally thematic the movie just did an awful job of tying its perfectly solid elements together or giving the villain in particular any space, so you get a roughly 15-second heel turn and some slapstick action scenes and a wishy-washy lesson about family=gud

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Nov 13, 2017

# ¿ Nov 13, 2017 18:33

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

have you ever tried giving a dog a little biplane with ergonomics designed around teeth and paws, you don't know they can't fly that.

# ¿ Nov 13, 2017 19:12

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Consuming things you don't like "ironically" is actually a thing only a cretin would do. There is no irony present, you are not in on the joke.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2017 17:12

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

it's okay to enjoy things that aren't officially sanctioned high culture or whatever, I'm posting in a thread about cartoons here, but if you need to defend your tastes by claiming they're "ironic" and insisting you actually think they're terrible you're just a lazier version of the same idiot as those teenagers doing backyard recreations of the poo poo they saw on Jackass.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2017 17:22

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

DC Murderverse posted:

my favorite way to describe it is that the live action Mario movie is like if a 50 year old in 1992 listened to their 10 year old nephew describe all of the stuff in the mario games and they went and made a movie entirely based off of that description without looking at a single actual Mario game.

I can't imagine it being made any other way, and if we must have video game movies I wish more of them were like this

# ¿ Nov 15, 2017 20:45

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Ccs posted:

Gonna quote Mark Mayerson again, this time on The Incredibles and Brad Bird:

"The criticism of Bird is that his films contain characters who are innately superior to the majority. This strikes many as elitist, though common sense tells us that we all know people who have an aptitude for something, whether it's music, math, sports, languages, drawing, etc. It's interesting that the idea of talent has become so controversial.

Many claim that Bird expects his characters to be treated differently than those without their talents, and there's some truth in this, but not in a way that Ayn Rand would endorse. I am no Rand expert, but what I know of her writing is that it is elitist; those who are superior should not be dragged down by the inferior and should it happen, then the superior are justified in withdrawing their talents from society.

As the Slate article points out, the idea of the elite going on strike is nowhere present in Bird's work. Rather than springing from elitism, I think Bird's work springs from artistic frustration and I think his career should make that obvious.

In The Incredibles and in Ratatouille, the characters are trying to exercise their talents in ways that are beneficial. A key scene in The Incredibles is when Bob witnesses a mugging while being dressed down by his boss. His frustration doesn't stem from his inability to exercise his powers, but from the altruistic need to help someone who is being victimized. In Ratatouille, Remy risks his life repeatedly to get closer to cooking, something that would benefit people if only they didn't let their prejudices get in the way. Both are frustrated by a world which stops them from being who they are, even though the world would benefit.

Forget Ayn Rand and look at the animation business. It's filled with artists who would say that they're not doing their best work or are stuck labouring on projects that they have no great love for. It's true across the industry, which is why so many artists are involved in side projects that are an escape from the frustration of their day jobs. Bird has been more successful than most, but he still can't get his chosen projects onto the screen. The Incredibles and Ratatouille are fantasies where characters overcome obstacles to fully realize their talents. Unfortunately for Bird and the rest of us, it rarely happens in life."

Bird is a success in part because he keeps coming back to the idea incredibly popular among mediocrities that they're actually repressed geniuses who only haven't accomplished Great Things because The Man is keeping them down, where The Man could be literally any authority or other being placing demands on their time. Its power should sort of be indicated by how a guy at the absolute top of his industry with more freedom to exercise his creative energies than just about anyone in his chosen field ever had keeps coming back to the same goddamned subject.

This isn't particularly "Randian", though it's a basic conceit underpinning right-libertarianism generally, it's a private fantasy millions of people share and if you cater to it they will buy your poo poo in the same way you can move books by writing about bored American women going on vacation and getting swept off their feet by stoic but passionate men with exotic features and a forgotten claim to nobility and/or lycanthropy.

Pick posted:

"Let artists create whatever they want" sounds good until you open Tezuka's desk and see all the porn of mouse women.

let Tezuka create whatever he wants

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Nov 21, 2017

# ¿ Nov 21, 2017 22:19

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

ConfusedUs posted:

This is a pretty neat short about happiness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9dZQelULDk

a guy who deeply loving needs to move out of New York or London or whatever, but never will

# ¿ Nov 30, 2017 20:08

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

readingatwork posted:

Cable company execs must be the dumbest people on the planet. All you�d need to do to save tv is have each channel build a library of old episodes that can be accessed on the fly. Then, turn the main channels into elaborate livestreams and use them to advertise the channel�s back catalog (which will have ads attached by the channels to each episode). It�s not that hard.

I'm pretty sure becoming Netflix without the option to choose specific episodes or the time you watch them wouldn't be the business model to save cable. Competing with Youtube autoplay for "poo poo you can park your baby in front of/flip on in the background while you're working and reliably get endless hours of standardized content without having to deal with it further" and making exclusivity contracts with the NFL are pretty much the only niches where piping in centrally-programmed video by wire isn't just innately inferior to the alternatives.

Like newspapers, it's got nothing to do with specific programming or business decisions, cable TV as a medium is just at a dead end. Unlike the news industry cable TV companies actually did get out ahead of the march of progress and are now mainly cable internet companies that will happily upsell you some TV if you want it.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Dec 18, 2017

# ¿ Dec 18, 2017 21:16

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

A multi-page longform Christmas derail of the cartoon thread about how the Grinch movie is great because it's an indictment of capitalism, written by a guy evidently operating under the belief the indictable things about capitalism are that people give gifts and play music.

God bless us, every one

# ¿ Dec 21, 2017 17:01

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

some of us just have respect for Grinchiverse canon :rolleyes:

# ¿ Dec 22, 2017 01:52

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

K. Waste posted:

Double-posting for Geisel art:

but how does The Rape of the Sabine Grinches square with my serial fanon wherein the Grinch and Horton overcome their relative size differences to form a gay relationship and flee the oppressively conservative Who community to a San Francisco studio

# ¿ Dec 22, 2017 22:26

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Baby boss got weirdly made the poster of everything wrong with the whole industry when it's absolutely totally fine in every way and neither very good or very bad.

Boss Baby is easier to find funny tweet-length ways to dunk on than, like, Emoji Movie, the existence of which is simply depressing

# ¿ Jan 2, 2018 18:58

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Schwarzwald posted:

If the movie goes out of it's way to establish the fact that it's a common name in a foreign country, then it literally does have another meaning in the context of the film.

It also means "pants full of poop" in foreignese, they just don't have any taboos about excrement in their culture and consequently there's nothing funny about that. Weird that you'd assume the problem is the guy doesn't understand basic English just cause he's not from America, who's the racist now :colbert:

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Feb 1, 2018

# ¿ Feb 1, 2018 02:57

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

That actually sounds amazing and I hope it's true. Like, I take back everything I said, as much as I love "Be Prepared" it's worth losing if they really did change the plot that much and in that way.

As a kid I hated how the hyenas were portrayed as the "evil" species. I couldn't understand why one kind of carnivorous animal was "Noble and Just" while the other was "Wicked and Cruel" when essentially they both wanted the same thing: to be able to eat.

I wonder if my childhood anger over that injustice was the start of me becoming a socialist as an adult....

Hyenas are kinda awful irl though. Whereas lions are pretty much housecats if housecats could eat you, i.e. a kind of awful people have come to romanticize, i.e. consummate royalty

# ¿ Mar 7, 2018 10:37

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Macaluso posted:

I don't think this trailer was BAD but I also think it was kind of... weird? Someone else better than me at this figure out why this trailer is just weird instead of being simply bad.

It's extremely, extremely Illumination. The Grinch is Gru and Max is the Secret Life of Pets dog if the Secret Life of Pets dog was a Minion.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2018 21:59

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Sinners Sandwich posted:

Stealing this from C-Spam but ummm, Oregon Travel Industry had some spare cash.

https://twitter.com/TravelOregon/status/973229452653031424

I have no idea what animation studio this is

I was on board until that cloud let out just one raindrop :v:

# ¿ Mar 12, 2018 22:51

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

it's... weird in that respect, because it's sexually explicit as gently caress, but i really genuinely cannot imagine any sane person getting horny from it

wow SA culture really has changed from the ALOD days

# ¿ Mar 16, 2018 19:20

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

not really? one porn movie got brought up that's really more in line with, like, hong kong Cat III movies than what we generally think of as porn (which is the only reason I jumped into the conversation, because it's honestly extremely a lot of people here's poo poo despite its rep) and then a couple hosed up art movies got brought up in relation to it

like, i would call these movies "porn" the way A Serbian Film or Irreversible is "porn;" i guess if you really want to squint it counts, but i really don't want to think about the kinds of people who actually would look at it that way and not be into it for basically polar-opposite reasons

e: beside that point, I still really wanna see Isle of Dogs because bare minimum it's going to have a shitload of adorable doggos in it

really gonna Eichenwald it up in this bitch

# ¿ Mar 19, 2018 17:22

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

21 Muns posted:

Have you considered that maybe you're failing to correctly read those movies you consistently don't like that share that one element you consistently think is irrelevant and unnecessary?

uh are you actually trying to argue that Pixar films revolve around the conflict with their antagonists or are you just taking poorly aimed potshots here

# ¿ Apr 1, 2018 02:45

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

they don't revolve around it but the antagonist's role in the plot almost always dovetails with the central theme somehow

yeah they follow the motif but with the exception of, idk, the Toy Story psycho kid I can't come up with one the movie wouldn't be about the same or better without, they're incidental to the heart of the movie which is the protagonists bouncing off each other and arriving at some synthesis of their outlooks. The Up guy and the Wall-E ship wheel thing in particular kinda feel like the movie was originally scripted entirely without them and then the shareholders said a movie has to have a fight with a villain somewhere.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Apr 1, 2018

# ¿ Apr 1, 2018 03:06

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

I thought he contributed specifically because he's this jarring glimpse of horror in what would otherwise be an overly saccharine and conflict-free movie. He makes Woody and Buzz really stretch themselves, and sets the plight of the toys in stark relief. It's a cold world out there for $.50 plastic trinkets nobody loves.

Contrast to the Up guy, who's Carl but taken to absurd supervillain extremes that don't even make sense in relation to Carl? Like Carl's problem is that he's a sad old man who lives in the past not that he's going to eventually start murdering anyone who he thinks might try to take his house full of dusty old memories away, and being stranded with this kid in the middle of fantasy South America is sort of trouble enough to deal with and grow from thank you very much without this five-minute cipher of Dick Dastardly and Muttley jamming themselves into the story

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Apr 1, 2018

# ¿ Apr 1, 2018 03:13

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

being completely realistic, Disney is probably well aware that they stand to make a giant dump truck of money off Zootopia 2, but they're also probably pretty goddamn concerned about how the first movie's messaging dovetails with the current political climate.

we'll probably see a Zootopia 2 and it'll probably be thematically weird in the context of the first movie, and probably a good bit less progressive (and that's taking into account that Zootopia was literally the most oversimplified "racism for babies" explanation possible).

Zootopia 2: Judy Joins The DHS

# ¿ Apr 2, 2018 03:11

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

21 Muns posted:

Ideally it'd be more like a "Judy joins the CIA" thing? Maybe she could do some spy movie shenanigans where she has an action scene in a reptile country, a bird country, an insect country, etc, until she finally uncovers some kind of conspiracy to turn animals against each other again (maybe perpetrated by fish in revenge for their being the acceptable animal everyone is allowed to eat? )

I feel like the whole "staging a coup to plunge a democratic state into ethnic violence" thing was kinda covered as much as a kid's move is gonna do it in 1

# ¿ Apr 2, 2018 05:25

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 16:27

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Y'all realize that corporate social media isn't the monolithic Company somehow gaining sapience, it's just some goon at their office that they pay to make Twitter jokes, right?

Like, when this kind of thing happens I just assume the staffer got bored and decided to toe the line a bit.

I'm pretty sure getting a job at Disney specifically involves subsuming your will into that of the Collective

# ¿ Apr 10, 2018 05:23

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