Pacific Northwest Thread Mk. II: Crossing the Duwamish

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Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

DevNull posted:

I love when PDX carpet makes an appearance. I think it makes for a nice backdrop to knocked out nazis.

That's how I knew the photo was real, at first I assumed someone was just claiming poo poo on Twitter, but nobody's laying down on that carpet unless they're not physically able to lift themselves off of it.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2017 18:08

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# ¿ May 3, 2024 21:44

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

seiferguy posted:

As a side note, neo-nazis like to hide razor blades behind stuff they post, so that if it gets torn off, the person tearing it gets cut. So exercise caution when pulling them off and consider using a tool of some sort to not hurt yourself.

See, this is the sort of thing that I would really hope causes a moment of reflection, for someone to say "maybe when I'm stashing razor blades to cut people is a sign I'm being evil?" I doubt it will, but it's nice to dream.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2017 18:44

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

anthonypants posted:

One of Oregon's state senators proposed a bill that would expel college students if they are convicted of rioting http://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2017/SB540/

Why stop there? Time for our universities to embrace school uniforms IMO, class up the place a bit.

# ¿ Feb 23, 2017 01:29

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

logger posted:

How dare people try voicing their opinion to their elected representative if it isn't unending praise.

Hey, they can voice criticism too, just not using any of those mean, nasty swears, those can really hurt someone.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2017 20:43

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

anthonypants posted:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/835509866546479104

It is a conspiracy, and Governor Huckabee is about to be the star of Air Force One 2

# ¿ Feb 25, 2017 20:34

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

anthonypants posted:

Whoever pays you ought to give you a massive bonus to retain such a brilliant, highly-specialized skillset.

I start off every salary negotiation with my Liam Neeson impersonation, it's gotten me far #lifehacks

# ¿ Apr 10, 2017 22:08

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

Yeah, speaking as a public employee the uncertainty as to what the hell is happening with my retirement is pretty infuriating. It's also not great that I haven't heard a ton of noise from SEIU trying to get us ruled up about it, just a few emails asking us to write our reps.

# ¿ Apr 27, 2017 01:36

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

anthonypants posted:

ACAB http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/04/portland_police_lack_policy_tr.html

Related:

https://twitter.com/christopoconnor/status/857649704607207424

IANAL, and that guy is a defense attorney, but this still seems like a bad look for PPB.

# ¿ Apr 27, 2017 21:21

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

IM DAY DAY IRL posted:

lovely aspects of Portland's housing crisis seem to stem from a lack of infrastructure that supports sustainable development. When you've got premiere apartments/condos being built with little or no attention paid to traffic, parking congestion, or impact on communities

This sounds like near my office, by all the hundreds of new units being put up around Vancouver and Williams streets, between Shaver and Alberta, and I'm morbidly curious to see what it'll look like in a few years, once they've put the finishing touches on the new buildings while having done absolutely nothing to improve traffic management. Between a couple of single lane streets, the 405 ramps, and a few hundred new cars and bicycles per hour, it's going to be a spectacular shitshow.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2017 23:23

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

anthonypants posted:

Portland police update: they murdered a goat

All Cops Are Baaaaaaaaaaastards.

# ¿ Aug 10, 2017 01:47

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

Javid posted:

I'm driving up the coast Sunday. Here's hoping it's not too hosed.

Ahahahahahahaha. I'm driving over tomorrow afternoon, and am already dreading it taking way longer than normal.

# ¿ Aug 17, 2017 20:27

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

Ardennes posted:

Hey it works for Portland schools, why fix what isn't broken.

To be fair, the bumper stickers say Keep Portland Weird, so we've got a commitment to uphold.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2017 00:56

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

silicone thrills posted:

Regardless of the tech bit - the white dudes getting into managerial positions and loving minorities out of jobs definitely seems like a real thing that is happening.

On the flip side, in the tech industry, every single position i've posted and gotten resumes for has been 100% white dudes applying so it is really loving hard to parse when this is really happening in a malicious manner in my industry. I'd imagine in other industries this would be far more pronounced.

On the cool side, as a woman who applies for jobs in tech - get interviews lickity split. But i'm also white with a super white name. Like suuuuuuuper white. whitey white white.

I'm so drat paranoid about being part of the problem now, gently caress.

My wife's experience, as a woman of color working in tech, is that she does get interviews pretty much constantly, but actually working with people sucks balls and she's either dismissed or talked down to as being "factually correct but too assertive" (a real quote from a performance review). The frequent interviews help mitigate the issue, as she has no issue bailing on a company when problems arise, but she also hasn't worked for any one company for more than 2 years, which she doesn't mind but does wonders contributing to my constant terror that said interviews will dry up and I'll no longer have a sugar mama to carry my worthless rear end.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2017 21:17

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

IM DAY DAY IRL posted:

actually the meeting is tomorrow and to be completely frank we will be reviewing exciting things like bylaw reform and steering committee election nominations so it's gonna be pretty dry. you should still come through and focus on things like the massive M4A canvassing the chapter has lead over the last few months

also i am bringing a giant cookie and a pie

Er, sure about that? Pretty sure it�s Sunday. . .

# ¿ Jan 27, 2018 03:51

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

I mean, having more pie than expected is the right kind of problem to have!

# ¿ Jan 27, 2018 04:40

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

Shifty Nipples posted:

I don't know but if you figure it out be sure to tell the rest of us.

Sitting alone at home and posting all day long seems to work wonders, highly advised

# ¿ Feb 11, 2018 18:03

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

punk rebel ecks posted:

Since you all have such a hard time making friends, why don't you guys in this thread just get together and do something with one another and make friends with each other IRL?

Basic rule, you don�t eat where you shitpost

# ¿ Feb 12, 2018 00:08

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

HEY NONG MAN posted:

The Baskin Robbins in Burien (on Ambaum south of 124th) closed and reopened as a new ice cream place with the same style of signage called CREAM DREAM and it owns so hard.

Eh, most of us got over CREAM DREAMs a while ago

# ¿ Feb 26, 2018 03:23

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anthonypants posted:

http://www.wweek.com/news/city/2018/03/13/portland-socialists-did-not-endorse-any-candidates-in-local-races/ This article is a mess, what happened

Pulling choice quotes from the DSA thread:

Thaddius the Large posted:

My understanding was that the leadership committee requested member comments on the candidates in advance, so as to circulate them at the meeting, and accordingly cut back on the floor time needed for comments; the plan would be to hear from and question the candidates at the meeting, discuss, and then vote on whether to endorse. As several members of leadership were against endorsement (importantly, they were not against voting for the candidates in the election, but they generally seemed to feel they didn�t rise to the level of DSA endorsement), the candidates all seemed to interpret this as that they wouldn�t be endorsed at all, resulting in their withdrawing requests for nomination, some more fervently than others, and walking out. Chaos ensued.

Personally, I was on the fence with DeGraw and Jama, and wanted to hear from them, but against Garcia, as on her questionnaire response to DSA, she openly said she�s not a socialist, which is a pretty loving key criteria for endorsement in my book. Not to say I wouldn�t vote for them necessarily, but I tend to hold endorsement to a higher standard. Moreover, while I get how they might have misunderstood the statements circulated by leadership, and can see how they could have been more clear in explaining the agenda for today to the candidates, getting all hot and bothered at the �confrontation� was really ridiculous, and didn�t really endear any of them to me.

All that said, it�s loving hilarious that this chapter�s meetings continue to be utter shitshows, it�s the best entertainment in town and you can attend for free!

punk rebel ecks posted:

Now fast forward to forty minutes later after much back and forth, a member attending the meeting has a question. He's white, blonde, hair, no older than 20, and looks as autistic as you can possibly imagine. He begins by telling us that he is new and this is his first meeting. The question he asks is "I believe I heard that *insert Mexican-American candidate who spoke earlier's name* said that she was once a business owner. Why do we allow people to come in here and speak if they are part of the bourgeois class? We are a socialist party and should stick to our socialist values and shouldn't show such candidates support." Needless to say, while he was speaking EVERYONE was looking down on the floor. The two guys I mentioned previously got up and said "I want to punch you in the face!" and "I'm quitting my membership. You guys are nutcases!" and walked off. The kid who spoke sat back down and didn't seem self-aware of how much of a dumbass he made himself look.

IM DAY DAY IRL posted:

Alright, so Thad is pretty spot on with a lot of his reporting, I'm going to use his post as a template and throw in some clarification/expand on a few items. Before I get into it I should probably state that we just overhauled a good portion of our bylaws, including our endorsement policies and criteria. We made a big push (which passed with a unanimous vote) to make it very clear that an endorsement from our chapter is not simply a rubber stamp but a commitment of resources, primarily people, to help endorsed candidates campaign for office. The goal is to have the PDX DSA endorsement carry legitimate weight in a race and not just another paper medal to pin on the chest of a candidate.

the steering committee requested that members submit any statements they'd like to make in advance regarding the candidates. A few members were upset with the window of time provided (48 hours was what was said during the meeting, the request went out via e-mail to all members on Friday at 12:00, meeting was held today at 1:30) but there was time scheduled on the agenda for both candidate questions AND debate of whether or not we should endorse each individual candidate. The intent of requesting statements was to try to hear as many voices as possible on what could be a very important topic. There wasn't a reduction of time; the request and publication of statements was made so that we could present more voices through our limited capacity.

This is an important thing to point out- on the agenda for today's meeting there was very clearly scheduled times for candidate questions AND debate on endorsing their campaigns. This will come up again later.

IN MY OPINION the biggest preventable mistake that was made was listing the SC members' titles under their names in the candidate statement pamphlet. Many of the SC members referred to a lack of resources and the recent focus on creating our own campaigns as reasoning why we shouldn't endorse ANY candidates. There were a few statements peppered in with more direct criticism of candidates (e.g. pointing out that one candidate owns a business where employees are paid PDX minimum wage) along with statements from other members supporting individual candidates. That being said IN MY OPINION the pamphlet certainly had a tinge of "SC thinks we shouldn't endorse anyone." It seems that the candidates (one in particular) understood this as a statement from the leadership that we would NOT be endorsing them and that they had wasted a lot of time seeking said endorsement. The first candidate for endorsement spoke about her campaign before ultimately rescinding her request for endorsement. The second candidate gave a very impassioned speech that was IN MY OPINION very accusatory of the org, our values, our racial representation (or lack thereof), and generally called us a bunch of frauds for not endorsing their campaign.

This is where things started to go off the rails. One of our more involved members asked for a suspension of the rules so that we could clarify, and I quote, "just what in the hell is going on." We start on a downward spiral of pseudo-parliamentary discussion about the entire endorsement policy that results in the first two candidates walking out. After a huge detour the third candidate takes the stage, speaks about the importance of unity and working together, then ultimately pulls his request for nomination before walking out.

This is probably the most important thing to highlight with regard to today's debacle. These candidates functionally had a forum with ~100 progressive voters who are slam-loving-dunks for votes. Due to a relatively simple misunderstanding they all opted to hit the eject button, some more performative than others. The worst part is that we never got a chance to vote on whether or not to endorse them. They took individual statements from members of the SC as leadership guidance/orders and either had no idea (or didn't care) that they still could have easily been endorsed AND had the endorsement carry more weight as a result of the chapter's selective tendency with regard to endorsement. I completely understand them being upset at the notion that they had to apply for endorsement, complete a questionnaire, then attend a meeting for something that wasn't even possible in the first place but that was not the case at all. They very easily could have spoken for 10 minutes about how their candidacy is in line with DSA general principals and values, answered questions from the members for another 10 minutes, and then get a new team of people happy to help with their campaign after securing a 2/3rds vote. They didn't even make it to the question segment of the agenda.

Here's a learning moment for us and hopefully for those of you who are integral in your local. IMO if you are ever collecting statements from members for distribution/publication, both internal and/or external, consider putting your membership at the front of the pack. If our SC would have had a 75/25 general member/leadership split in the endorsement statement pamphlet (and, perhaps more importantly, not had put their fuckin' titles under their names FFS) the reception from the candidates may not have been nearly as adversarial and we very well could have been walking out of the meeting a hour earlier with smiles on our faces and excitement over our first foray in local electoral politics. We've got equity guidelines in a lot of the rest of the org and I really don't know why thought wasn't paid toward replicating that in this instance.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2018 21:18

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

therobit posted:

That sound like a total loving disaster and if that is how your meetings are run then no wonder candidates decided it wasn't worth the trouble.

Leftism.txt

# ¿ Mar 13, 2018 21:52

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

I agree that the pamphlet was fairly against the candidates, and full disclosure, the executive committee�s positions largely mirrored my own after I read the candidate questionnaires. That said, I didn�t think it so big a deal as to withdraw the endorsement requests, or even worse, cut bait and leave. It�s admittedly ignoring the very significant issues with communication that occurred, and I�m hardly a political expert, but even without the endorsements the meeting seemed like a good time for the candidates to, you know, campaign.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2018 22:23

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is there anywhere/way I can view their questionnaires?

They were shared via a google drive link, I don�t know if we�re allowed to re-link/share it or whatever. You�re a member though, right? Shockingly it seems to take forever to get new people added.

anthonypants posted:

Sorry, but if you believe that a leftist organization can't act like loving adults, gently caress you

What can I say, I appreciate that a (relatively) leftist group lives up to the stereotype with a seeming inability to make it through a single meeting without massive infighting, bickering over rules, and some small touch of splintering into factions.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2018 23:09

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

Schwack posted:

Based on following DSA Twitter, this is exactly why I have no interest in participating in the organization.

I dont know if I want some Maoist nerd lecturing me about rules of order and debate or some poo poo.

As much as I like to laugh at DSA meetings, there genuinely are some cool people doing good work there. Also, there are excellent baked goods! And way more importantly, Twitter DSA =/= IRL DSA, there�s no accounting for that internet nonsense.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2018 03:48

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anthonypants posted:

https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/981954450850852865

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvtQYsckLxk&hd=1

Oh poo poo! This is real, actual good news, weird.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2018 19:18

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anthonypants posted:

The mayor of Portland wants more cops http://www.koin.com/news/civic-affairs/wheeler-to-portlanders-lobby-for-more-cops/1105285399

This went exactly as expected

https://twitter.com/pdx_resistance/status/982863406502834176?s=21

# ¿ Apr 8, 2018 08:35

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

If it�s any consolation, Oregon CPS is also so lacking placements they�re using hotels for foster kids, and paying workers overtime to supervise them overnight; developmentally and emotionally unsupportive AND atrociously expensive, it�s a win-win!

# ¿ Apr 15, 2018 07:06

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

FRINGE posted:

The main drive as far as I know is punishment*, as in "punish bad parents" and not "provide healthy things for kids".

*Just like most of America.

I don�t know about Washington, but Oregon does tend to try and work with parents and treat safety threats as an issue of mental health and addiction, scant resources for food, housing, etc, and generally from a social welfare perspective, the biggest issue (from my admittedly biased perspective) relates a lot to funding, as well as terrible planning and management from the agency leadership; there was virtually no expansion of DHS as the population grew, either in staffing or additional resources, so the little problems kept on piling up until things were at a boiling point, and now getting the money to try and fix things from the legislature has proven challenging now that the crisis has hit because nobody trusts the agency (not to mention the legislature is pretty damned tight-fisted about raising revenue regardless). What you wind up with is chronically understaffed and overburdened workers, mental health and treatment agencies who are similarly lacking thanks to the joys of the American healthcare system, underpaid foster parents (rates were dropped about a decade ago, and haven�t been increased until this year, albeit by a minute amount), a huge decrease in available placements as foster parents and providers get tired of dealing with this poo poo and drop out, etc. I tend to also get frustrated the public doesn�t get more involved, everyone loves to complain when kids lack foster homes while virtually nobody steps up to be one, but I absolutely blame DHS for this as well, there�s no outreach or communication whatsoever, everything put out is a boilerplate bland reassurance statement that DHS is fixing everything and there�s no cause for concern.

Having said all that, it�s pretty telling that after getting put on blast by the Secretary of State�s office for messing everything up, DHS got some emergency funding, and are now taking delightful action steps like paying a consultant $200,000 to come up with a miracle plan to turn everything around, rather than, I don�t know, hiring people, recruiting (or adequately paying) foster parents, or literally anything other than creating another cushy do-nothing advisory role for some agency director�s nephew or college buddy, so I�m not holding out hope for massive change.

All of that directly deals with Oregon DHS� angle, there is also the massive influence of the dilapidated shanty that is America�s healthcare system, especially the mental health system, but that expands a bit beyond both the scope of my knowledge and the foster care system, child welfare just gets to be one more shining example of how badly that all works.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2018 14:56

Thaddius the Large: Jul 5, 2006; It's in the five-hole!

Solkanar512 posted:

Do you have a source on this? I remember reading about the bullshit weed dogs, but what about the cadaver dogs that search and rescue groups use?

Are they all bad dogs?

Search and rescue dogs are amazing, I did my high school senior project with an S&R group, and their doggos were frighteningly smart and capable. They had to drop off the backside of a ski resort into a hugely isolated area with no easy access, and they found a guy (corpse) who�d gone about 5 miles into the area 3 days prior, with snow having fallen for the entire time, all in about 4 hours.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2018 02:50

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Steve Jorbs posted:

My dad had a dog that got fiercely protective anytime a black person wandered into the business. He swore the dog was racist.

I�m sorry to inform you your dad was secretly a cop. Also maybe your dog too

# ¿ Apr 18, 2018 19:09

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xrunner posted:

Diane Gruber seems nice. https://www.osbar.org/publications/bulletin/06febmar/eob.html

Okay, this made me laugh

quote:

"I�ve been a member of the bar for 18 years, �(and) I haven�t heard this much buzz about any subject in the legal community since�we had to discuss the ethical rule about having sex with clients," House member Catherine Coburn said at the House�s October meeting. "There was a lot of buzz about that, but that was a lot more fun than this."

�Things were way better when we only had to debate the ethics of loving clients, this racism stuff is hard work!�

# ¿ Apr 24, 2018 16:45

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anthonypants posted:

We need to do something about these transplants, who are taking are jobs https://twitter.com/ThePortlandTrib/status/994972263878361088

quote:

"I am currently in an undisclosed location that is not a normal residence avoiding detection by the New Jersey authorities who want to throw me in jail for political reasons," Hafner said. "So, the last place I am going to show up right now is somewhere that it would be very easy to tie me to. But if I win the primary, and by default the general election, that could change things."

gently caress it, sounds like he�ll fit right in

# ¿ May 13, 2018 01:35

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The Puppy Bowl posted:

I don't know. The Trump era is many things but I wouldn't call it boring.

Sure it is, Trump can�t even hire a proper cyberpunk ninja assassin, you�d just get Mike Flynn Jr. firing rounds out of a knockoff Desert Eagle while wearing stunner shades or whatever

# ¿ Jun 13, 2018 04:49

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DevNull posted:

Vigil sounds a whole lot like liberal "thoughs and prayers" type poo poo.

In fairness, the Portland occupation started as a march/protest at the facility on Sunday and things just kinda spiraled, so this could too! I agree that everyone stopping by to wag their finger then going about their day isn�t great, but everything needs a starting point.

# ¿ Jun 20, 2018 19:45

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wyoming posted:

As mayor I promise to bring the Velveteria back to Portland!

Get them to do a joint venture combining their talents with Fat Cobra and I�m in

# ¿ Jul 15, 2018 00:09

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Oscar Wild posted:

I like a police officer who respects the chain of command.

My favorite is the liberal who doesn�t want being homeless to be a crime, but still wants the homeless in jail.

https://twitter.com/53rdgoat/status/1029829394326376448?s=21

# ¿ Aug 15, 2018 21:56

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Oscar Wild posted:

I have to imagine service resistance is the exception and not the rule, and that those individuals might change their minds. It is important to provide that service in case they do.

Yeah, call me crazy but if folks are service resistant, maybe we should blame the services and not the people.

# ¿ Aug 15, 2018 22:52

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Doorknob Slobber posted:

get it 'storage UNIT'

When I think about where I want to stick my junk, a woman is the last thing I want around

# ¿ Sep 28, 2018 23:33

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busydelicious posted:

Don Pedro's in Portland is pretty amazing, too. I find it rides that fine line between drive-thru and sit-in dining quite well.

Their Vancouver location is the best, but I hit up the SE 82nd location more than I probably should. I lived 3 blocks from a Muchas Gracias for a couple years in college, and while I regret nothing, I�m probably never going to one again.

# ¿ Oct 4, 2018 21:05

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Solkanar512 posted:

If you're feeling this hopeless, take a break. Make sure you vote, but take a break. There's no shame in ignoring the news for a bit and doing whatever you do to chill out.

You understand that the causes people are talking about aren�t something you can �take a break from�, right? People can�t take a break from making too little per hour to cover their ever increasing cost of living, or from their uncovered medical expenses sending them further into crippling debt? Housing, wages, and healthcare aren�t some poo poo leftists just care about on principle, for too many people it�s literally all they can see. Maybe you�re privileged enough to just shut that out, but for plenty it�s what they have to face whether they want to or not.

# ¿ Oct 13, 2018 04:51

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# ¿ May 3, 2024 21:44

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Vivian Darkbloom posted:

I feel like just taking the candidate's word that he's not a Trump guy isn't really good enough given the circumstances

I posted a semi-coherent rant about this last night in another thread, but it�s super telling that their entire argument boils down to �hey, we�re not here to judge what his plan is, we just like that he has one!� Like, yeah, Brown is hot garbage, but the Oregonian can�t even be bothered to do the least bit of analysis on what those plans are, they just acknowledged that he has said these are good plans and that�s good enough for them.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2018 03:59

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